GT7 Penalty System

[mrmattsly]

Went around the outside at Fuji, someone came through and punted me off the track. I got a penalty for causing a collision. Also had someone completely stop in the corner and I hit them, because you know stopped. I was penalized for forcing a car off track. I guess this is just the nature of the game when you are playing against people who can't drive... I'm no saint. I've misjudged corners or my speed and hit people. But I never want them to be penalized.

 

[Roggers]

It's all very similar to the infamous 1.55 update in GT Sport

Maybe some tweaks to the penalty values but the conditions for handing out a penalty, someone losing a position and/or going off track, seem the same. Only looking at the outcome, not how or where it happened. It's still the same old, we think you got an advantage compared to the others involved in contact, you get a penalty. Advantage can be as small as getting a speed increase from bump drafting, or a speed decrease from a brake check at the apex (which the game still sees as braking zone)

That video is hilarious. Never played GTSport but if that was the penalty system back then I’d be fuming with those penalties handed out.



Have to say when i first played online in that first week I thought online was pretty decent. Matchmakimg seemed pretty fair and the penalty system seemed fair. 3 months on and the penalty system isnt fair. Some penalties yes are fair but some are an absolute joke.

• I’ve seen people go wide at a corner and fully off the track avoid a penalty, while I’m 1 pixel of the track get a 1 seconds penalty.
• Car off the track coming back on unsafely and hitting me, so I get a 4 second collision penalty
• Pit manoeuvres, seems like they are totally acceptabl in the game with no penalty handed out
• Pushing people off the track no penalty
• Tiny bumper rubbing equals 1 seconds penalty yet if someone does it to me no penalty.
• the list could go on

 

[Bosso]

It's pretty inconsistent. I was punted off the final corner at Interlagos earlier on the final lap. No penalty for him, but I lost 2nd place and ended up 5th. Suzuka doesn't seem to give you penalties if you take a racing line off course at 130r. Seen loads of people do it and gain like half a second.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

That video is hilarious. Never played GTSport but if that was the penalty system back then I’d be fuming with those penalties handed out.

Have to say when i first played online in that first week I thought online was pretty decent. Matchmakimg seemed pretty fair and the penalty system seemed fair. 3 months on and the penalty system isnt fair. Some penalties yes are fair but some are an absolute joke.

• I’ve seen people go wide at a corner and fully off the track avoid a penalty, while I’m 1 pixel of the track get a 1 seconds penalty.
• Car off the track coming back on unsafely and hitting me, so I get a 4 second collision penalty
• Pit manoeuvres, seems like they are totally acceptabl in the game with no penalty handed out
• Pushing people off the track no penalty
• Tiny bumper rubbing equals 1 seconds penalty yet if someone does it to me no penalty.
• the list could go on

It was the same with GT Sport. It's not the penalty system that changed, it's people that learned to use it to their advantage. And also more people getting into online (after running out of single player stuff to do), more people getting frustrated that the easy early online races (as DR E) are the exception and when properly matched you only have a 1 in 16 chance on average of winning.

The first couple months were very good in GT Sport as well, then around Christmas it started getting bad (GT Sport came out in October) and only getting worse from there. Until PD added strict penalties which prompted tons of penalty simulator videos.

The list has been going on since 2018

PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!

I was on the verge of being Dr A & Sr S. After less than 10 races at the weekend and constantly being hit from the side or punted from the rear and subsequently now racing with even worse drivers and being hit x10 than before, I am now D E!!! Wtf I even stayed at the black tonight to keep away...

www.gtplanet.net

That thread started after the harsh penalties were introduced to clean up sport mode.

 

[BigSarj]

Did three races of the C variety today. There was a lot of pushing and shoving, as well as some vendettas being carried out but I had nothing to do with the latter. All in all, I was left very satisfied. There was but one wrong call that I personally experienced in which the aggressor got a one second penalty and I got the two second but I wasn't mad about it.

So yeah, my experience with the pen system as a whole has been pretty decent since launch. I just don't want them to get rid of it. Motorsport can be pretty heartbreaking and bad pens and disconnects are our version of a Pirelli blowing up in F1.

Edit - watching a replay, there was one incident in which a guy hit me as I was sliding out on turn four. He got a five second penalty which was completely undeserved. Sucks for him but it will happen from time to time.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Interlagos is actually a race now. The penalty system needs to stay. There’s a couple of things that need refining for sure.

 

[jmorduna]

Penalties in gt7 are way worst than previous gt… they are insanely stupid. Thats a fact. You can not have a 5 sec. penalti for being pussed off the road by a car behind you. I was S driver, a clean one allways, and It took me only 2 daily races on Interlagos to become C driver. I’m leaving Sport mode till they fix it.

 

[NamuGriff]

Some more fun penalties I got yesterday when racing in Daily Race B. Got the exact same 2 penalties 2 races in a row.
First one was following a car into a corner and they spun out right in front of me on the apex as I'm about to hit the apex as well, and so I end up going into them, as I couldn't get out the way, tiny tap to their car, got the 5 second penalty for forcing another driver off the track. Second race same driver decided to have another crash on their own and came across the track in front of me, which I never saw how they lost control and only saw them when they came in front of me and I went into them again, getting another 5 second penalty for forcing a driver off the track.
The next penalty I got was for being shoved off the track in reach race before turn 4 making me run wide, and so getting the good old 1 second penalty for track limits, while the driver that shoved me off got the position and no penalty.
Even better I've had drivers dive bomb me and shove me out the way without any penalties for doing such a manoeuvre, and yet when I do the exact same thing while making a pass, and I touch, I get the 3 second penalty, while any other driver that did the same to me, got nothing.
Is annoying that some drivers seem to get rewarded for driving dirty, while those that they try those same tactics they use get the penalty instead. The last race I did basically became a demolition derby at the end with people trying to just shove each other off the track, and the innocent drivers being penalised for it. Likely I never got caught up in it, and then laughed when some of the worst offenders started getting multiple penalties added to them on the last lap.

 

[Waspy]

Hey, has anyone actually been able to understand specifically what the penalty system is. I understand most but from one race to other there are times when I get no penalties and end up jostling for a few laps and others when ive done nothing wrong and been slapped with a penalty because someone has gone into me. I can't work it out at all. I'm a clean racer on eother an A or S sportmanship rating but if i do 5 races in a night, i can guarantee that i'll lose out on unfair penalties in at least 2/3 of the races

I don't get either. Again, I'm an S rated driver and try to race clean but minor collisions are inevitable. Most of the time, if I go into someone, I'm breaking at the time and they're breaking that bit harder or longer than me but the algorithm doesn't recognise the specific conditions at the time. Also, I'm sick of getting penalties when another driver slams into my side after they've lost control. I just went from 5th to 15th because of a 4 second penalty I received after another driver went off the track and slammed into me! I was trying my hardest to avoid them and had almost overtaken them at the point of the collision but the algorithm has picked on an impact and boom. If they're going to introduce a strict penalty system, there should be a right of appeal.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I think it may have something to do with culture and "sportsmanship". In other words, you are penalized for improper behaviour not necessarily improper actions.

I don't understand it.

How many times people have slammed me off track and received nothing, while I barely breath on someone, or collide with a car that's in an accident, and I get 3-5 seconds.

Maybe penalties should be fully implemented in single player to get more people accustomed to driving with them.

 

[sixty4half]

This penalty system will not be around for long. It is not up to par for eSports. Could you imagine a championship race where someone gets one of these stupid penalties? It would be a scandal. Outrage from every corner of the GTCommunity

 

[Roggers]

I don't get either. Again, I'm an S rated driver and try to race clean but minor collisions are inevitable. Most of the time, if I go into someone, I'm breaking at the time and they're breaking that bit harder or longer than me but the algorithm doesn't recognise the specific conditions at the time. Also, I'm sick of getting penalties when another driver slams into my side after they've lost control. I just went from 5th to 15th because of a 4 second penalty I received after another driver went off the track and slammed into me! I was trying my hardest to avoid them and had almost overtaken them at the point of the collision but the algorithm has picked on an impact and boom. If they're going to introduce a strict penalty system, there should be a right of appeal.

Join the club! The most stupid penalty to be ever issued on GT7. Id love for someone at PD to explain why they are issued and how I deserve the penalty for someone else rejoining the track unsafely.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Your vector in comparison to the driving line is just one aspect that should be part of the system, but doesn't seem to be part of the system.

Client/server code uses prediction to determine where a car should be. That could be used to determine fault.

But, why are we complaining? They gave up on Sport Mode.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

This penalty system will not be around for long. It is not up to par for eSports. Could you imagine a championship race where someone gets one of these stupid penalties? It would be a scandal. Outrage from every corner of the GTCommunity

Err, it's the same system as GT Sport used. PD knows it sucks and simply turns the penalties off for the live tournaments. Live stewards are used for the eSport events.

Of course there was still outrage, since the other top players also wanted to race without contact penalties, thus PD turned the whole thing off beginning of last year.

 

[sixty4half]

Good info there Sven!

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Please don’t turn off penalties! I don’t want to to drive every race glued to the inside of every corner

 

[GrmlMaster]

Yesterdays Toyota GR Race at Suzuka was a hellish combination of stupid ghosting algorithm and Penalty-System.
In B Lobbys People would fly off left and right unghost at the time (or short afterI) rejoining the track without warning.
(Didn't ghosted cars at least blink for a second before materialising in GT Sport?)

I got so much (undeserved) collision penalties from rejoining people...

 

[Sven Jurgens]

The penalties were total BS at Bathurst as well. How hard is it for the game to see, car hits wall first, then gets hit by car following that can't brake that fast. Only once out of dozens of times did the car hitting the wall get a 1 sec penalty. All the other times when someone screwed up in front of me I ended up with a 2 or 3 sec penalty.

PD, causality, look up the word. If A happens before B then B did not cause A. It's that simple.

The dumbest was getting hit on corner exit in the last turn. Car hits me from behind but we both stay on and finish. I cross the line before him but finish behind him since the game gave me a 1 sec penalty after finishing...

So many "forced another car off track" while it was either the other car coming from off track or more often performing a failed overtake and going off track or touching the wall after brushing along my car.

In my experience during my weekend marathons, penalties were 95% incorrect. I also saw tons of crap people got away without a penalty. Like sticking a nose in and pushing a car off at skyline, no penalty... If you really force a car off track, no penalty!

It does get the punts right, but if you don't punt and drive by the etiquette rules, you still get penalties and they're all wrong. I say 95% incorrect since I did hit some unfortunate very early / out of place brakers, those penalties were deserved. (Allthough braking hard for the start of the esses is not how its done, but I should know better in lower DR/SR)

I got a yellow flag penalty as well which I never saw the banner nor wreck it was for for. I was paying attention to the radar at the bottom of the screen, yellow flag banner is at the top... Accident was somewhere further up ahead out of our reach.

The penalty zones created many secondary incidents as well. Narrow high speed straight where people try to draft pass, plus slow moving cars and ghosts that can unghost at any second, plus people about to get slowed down taking a last chance to retaliate to the car that gave them the penalty. This is the real dodging simulator.

SR is still the same joke. I did the reset trick yesterday to see how SR gains work, it took me 4 races to get back to SR S.
Yellow is my finish position, DR/SR are what they were at the start of the race, doesn't update at the finish (Beetles red, WRX purple)

Also it's hard to believe I was the only SR E driver (forced reset). It is harder to lose SR in GT7, it seems deductions are less, yet gains are still the same boosted way they were in GT Sport.

At least the grids were more varied in lower DR/SR. Clean driving depended more on the time of day than DR/SR. The races I did as DR D in low SR early afternoon were cleaner than the races as B/S late at night.

During the afternoon (chart is from 1pm to 6pm EST) it was pretty clean, people leaving room paying attention, stuff that happened was all accidental. I raced more at night and it was totally different. Lot of fighting, pushing, cutting off, bad overtake attempts, and block until death for 13th position lol.

Love the track, hate the system.

 

[jrbabbitt]

And unscrupulous busters have taken advantage of the brake check penalties, they will stop shorter in braking zones for you to hit them and incur a heavy 5 sec penalty, I had one fool try this with me but I avoided his attempt but in process of my slowing I get rammed and the innocent driver who hit me had to pay for the fool's brake check, I apologized after race and he saw it coming and understood

 

[sixty4half]

Maybe the forum "stewards" can explain this penalty, and I'm going to enter into this with an open mind (unlike in real time, where I got pretty pissed).




Let me plead my case. I get a better exit than the two in front of me and I have a slipstream so I'm able to catch up. I am passed the first guy before we even reach the turn. He taps me going into the braking zone and I slightly lose traction but I'm going into a high speed turn and braking zone at same time. Then I'm tapped by the furthest inside guy, from my perspective he had space on the right. I go off track from getting hit twice and lose the position. Neither of them are given penalties but I get 2 seconds. After losing the position.

 

[Roggers]

Maybe the forum "stewards" can explain this penalty, and I'm going to enter into this with an open mind (unlike in real time, where I got pretty pissed).




Let me plead my case. I get a better exit than the two in front of me and I have a slipstream so I'm able to catch up. I am passed the first guy before we even reach the turn. He taps me going into the braking zone and I slightly lose traction but I'm going into a high speed turn and braking zone at same time. Then I'm tapped by the furthest inside guy, from my perspective he had space on the right. I go off track from getting hit twice and lose the position. Neither of them are given penalties but I get 2 seconds. After losing the position.

So I think the penalty was correct. But also the fact you lost time and didn’t gain an advantage then makes the penalty a bit harsh.
So what made it a penalty for me was the car on the inside, as you turn in you didn’t leave enough room on the inside for the car and you cut across them.

 

[sixty4half]

So I think the penalty was correct. But also the fact you lost time and didn’t gain an advantage then makes the penalty a bit harsh.
So what made it a penalty for me was the car on the inside, as you turn in you didn’t leave enough room on the inside for the car and you cut across them.

I can see that; I hit the guy on inside. It was only because of the first contact. I'm normally not on the apex of Parabolica, I take a much wider line than that. I guess that what's frustrating

 

[Roggers]

I can see that; I hit the guy on inside. It was only because of the first contact. I'm normally not on the apex of Parabolica, I take a much wider line than that. I guess that what's frustrating

I know how you feel with the frustration. Just watched it again and I see what your saying about your line. When you move out your sticking to left and as soon as the contact hits you then adjust but your then under braking. I think your just unfortunate with it really.

 

[SkiAndFish]

I was facing a BS 5 second penalty today in Tokyo express 600 and for some reason I was not ghosted and the AI's acted like I was not even there and slammed me into the wall twice while I was slowed down for the current penalty.

They just added the time to my existing countdown

 

[GrmlMaster]

I had a nice one today in Race B:
I give the guy in front of me a small love Tap to the rear on breaking into Ascari and get a deserved but quite harsh 4s penalty.
The opponent goes a bit wide and rejoins behind me.
After Ascari I stay to the left and lift to give back the position.

Result:
I get rearended by the same guy and get another 2s Penalty because the game thinks I break-checked him… 🤪

 

[John Smith UK]

They tried fixing it in GT Sport and it got worse with every tweak. PD needs to delete it entirely and start over from scratch starting with enforcing the etiquette rules. Contact, see what happens after, has proven not to work. I'm not looking forward to another 4 years of different penalty time amounts and slight tweaks to whether a car touching a wall, getting passed or going off track triggers a penalty for the other car.

It’s the same penalty system as GT Sport just tweaked for PS5 then again when GT7 became a PS4 game, I’ve not played that many races but the Daily Races and Championships look identical to GT Sport - same graphics - yes a 4K sheen but same game engine for both games - same penalty system - I can’t see where 4 years of development has been spent on anything other than the interfaces and giving the graphics a boost

 

[Beggsy]

This is bs, went from S rating to C on deep forest alone when i get side hit i get penalty because they go off road, also im turning corner because they took bad outside turn and hit me, i get a penalty, yet when i get smacked from behind hard, they get no penalty, like wth??

Same thing happened to me today ,what the hells going on,I did put up a message saying some people think their playing gt auto !!!!

 

[Voodoovaj]

Maybe Sophy will be used as an ingame Steward 👍

Which might actually work.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Maybe Sophy will be used as an ingame Steward 👍

Which might actually work.

They could make a cop livery for Sophy and spawn the AI on the track to take out dirty drivers
NFS hot pursuit comes to GT7.

PD could indeed have used AI learning to create a better penalty system. But instead they created a very aggressive driver with no concept of sportmanship nor track limits

 

[Voodoovaj]

They could make a cop livery for Sophy and spawn the AI on the track to take out dirty drivers
NFS hot pursuit comes to GT7.

PD could indeed have used AI learning to create a better penalty system. But instead they created a very aggressive driver with no concept of sportmanship nor track limits

Well, that's what you see, and it did respect track limits. It was just better at knowing where they are because it refers to the code rather than eyesight like we do.

It has many uses outside of simply racing, and most of those are what will actually make a difference. As a competitor, it's pretty much useless.