GTP Cool Wall: 2006-2011 Honda Civic Si
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- race_emhard
@Dagger311 For the cost of putting a 5.0L V8 in a Civic, you'd probably be better off just buying a brand-new Mustang GT.
That way, you have a car with a 5.0L V8 that you can drive and drag your knuckles elsewhere.
That way, you have a car with a 5.0L V8 that you can drive and drag your knuckles elsewhere.
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- Dagger31198
Not sure what dragging your knuckles is, but okay...
. I'd love to have a big v8 in this, a vintage beetle, or the best, a miata.
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- JMoney-689
- Woodside689
Then how is it, in any way cool? It's a sedan that tries to be sporty when it gets beaten by Lancers and Imprezas. It's also more boring than it's competitors, and it's more likely to be riced. If you want to make an average I4 sedan more sporty, give it a V6 option like what they did with the Altima. Or give it a boxer engine or a turbo.
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- Nii916
A high-revving 2.0L 197hp boxer-4 or V6 would certainly add interest, but wouldn't change much in terms of performance. It's like cylinder count and layout aren't what ultimately determine engine output or something...
On a similar note, the ~200hp turbocharged VW GTI could be considered not as sporty as this, because it sacrifices the "purity" of a naturally-aspirated powerplant. The Civic Si is plenty sporty. It's just not very interesting, nor as fast as cars it was never intended to compete against. But once again, "sport" has nothing to do with stopwatch statistics.
On a similar note, the ~200hp turbocharged VW GTI could be considered not as sporty as this, because it sacrifices the "purity" of a naturally-aspirated powerplant. The Civic Si is plenty sporty. It's just not very interesting, nor as fast as cars it was never intended to compete against. But once again, "sport" has nothing to do with stopwatch statistics.
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- RandomCarGuy17
Uncool, I just think the car is a bit too bland and it looks bloated.
Oh you and your Subarus. XDI can't argue with that.
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At least.
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- I_Grayson_Fox_I
FFs can do things that FRs cant and vice versa.
FFs are better in the snow since the engine is above the drive wheels
You can do reverse heli's in a FF
So make it into an overpowered thing,
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I would love to see someone put a 5.0 engine in, just for the hilarity that would ensue when they realize that they turned a bunch of time and money into an understeering mess. Like some sort of really good magic trick.
I like these cars, and I think they're slightly closer to cool than uncool.
I like these cars, and I think they're slightly closer to cool than uncool.
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If you have a fetish for torque-steer, then it'd be marvelous.
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Wait, so let me get this straight.
This needs more power? For what reason? Is it a super car? No. This is a alternative to the bog standard Civic, one for the people who want to seem a little more interesting and somewhat like cars. What would more power do for them? Nothing. It would sacrifice gas mileage, it'd make it heavier, it'd make it handle worse, etc. Essentially, completely ruining the point of the car just to cater to... nobody. As far as I know, people in the market for a cheap, somewhat sporty car don't want a understeering, bad fuel economy bloated piece of crap.
Want a faster Civic? That's where the Type R comes in (maybe not in the US, but still).
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- I_Grayson_Fox_I
Yes but you dont tend to get 100hp/liter when you go above a certain displacement when it comes to NA tuning
Why doesnt the dodge viper have 800hp or more?
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That might be the logic for some American manufacturers, but as we've said, this is supposed to be a more sporty (read: finer handling and slightly more punchy) version of the relatively mundane, yet inoffensive Civic. Dropping a big V6 in there does nothing but upset the weight distribution, compromise the handling, increase fuel consumption and make it more of a pollutant than it need be. I'd imagine the extra weight would make whatever feeling of extra power dwindle away very quickly too.
And before I get the inevitable 'that's what makes it a sports car' lecture, it isn't. That's what makes it a muscle car. But this isn't a muscle car. It's a Civic designed for people interested in driving. And by driving, I mean doing more than passing people in the fast lane on the highway.
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- HamiltonMP427
Not street legal.
You know I thought when we did this song and dance back on an earlier thread, we came to the conclusion or at least you tried to sway me to it, that you're main issue was you were just a big fan of older cars and couldn't accept newer cars. Now it seems that you're just myopic and pretty much the type I pegged you as back then.
You've done nothing to illustrate how these cars are ricer types, and your about as bad as the people claiming ricer when the Type R proto pictures came out. I have no idea how a factory built car can some how be a ricer...
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I've not heard of a displacement limit, and neither have BMW (3.25L I6 hitting 355bhp 10 years ago), Porsche (4.0L spitting out 500bhp) Ferrari (4.5L hitting 560bhp), Lamborghini (5.2L / 570bhp), Mercedes (6.2L / 620bhp), or Lambo and Ferrari again with their V12's. The Viper not hitting the 100bhp/l mark could be down to many things, but displacement on its own isn't one of them.
Anywho, voted SU. While this was a better attempt to return to the sporty Civic roots that the EK did best - and isn't nearly as awful as the EP that came before it, at least in North America - it always felt like a dress-up exercise more than a strictly performance one, like the Si or Type-R. It also killed off the Integra, which was always a cooler vehicle. It has a fantastic shifter, but that alone can't save it. The percentage of dickish drivers I see in these things is approaching Audi levels, too.
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There are things standing in the way of high specific output that increase as displacement increases (which is also why larger engines usually have more cylinders to offset the problems inherent to pushing around a cylinder the size of a Coke bottle); but what is also true is that it is rare for large (let's define that as "above 4 liters" to go with the system here) engines to be designed to rev.
For example:
Because it is a pushrod 2-valve engine initially based on a truck engine, which was itself a 1960s V8 with two cylinders added; but recast in aluminum. Not specifically because it was a large engine.
Then you have increased drivetrain loss, increased wear & tear, increased maintenance costs, increased weight and decreased fuel economy.
For the purposes of JMoney's point, yes it does.
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Yeah it does a bit from what I can tell, and the point still stand for once from Grayfox that the drive-train orientation for AWD now days is more geared toward Performance and less of 4 seasons type driving issues. I mean there are certain AWD systems that take it in to mind but not all of them, and by the very nature of FWD vehicles are better suited for those conditions.
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I'm just pointing out that the claim, "FF's are better in snow than FR's", doesn't mean much because 4WD is better in snow than both of them. A Civic Si being better in snow than a Charger is irrelevant because if anyone really cared about performance in snow they'd want an Impreza.
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Oh cool, then you could have more power and be slower.
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Its a good car, but it gets brought down by the fact its a watered down version of the European Civic Type R, which in turn is a watered down version of the Japanese Type R. Basically Honda's way of saying the North American car enthusiast does not deserve their best, and that's not cool.
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I am a big fan of older cars. Most new cars just don't cut it for me. They sound like crap, most look dull and uninteresting, and are built more for economy than anything.
As you may have read in my last few posts, I realized this car was just keeping up with what people want now, and stopped trying to view it as something it's not. I was viewing this car compared to others, other than seeing the car as what it is: A slightly more powerful Civic.
You want me to illustrate how these cars are Ricer types? There's a car show for modern cars a few months from now. I'll be sure to take some pictures for you. A non-ruined Civic, Lancer, or Impreza is actually a rare sight here
. Oh yeah, and not too sure what myopic means, but I'm pretty sure it's not good. So I'm not "Myopic", just don't care for boring cars. Maybe, when I end up with a family, I'll see why these are so popular, but for now, they're just boring.
