GTP Nascar Nationwide Series | Series Champion: OwensRacing

[neljack]

Great job Alex 👍

Thanks Dude 👍

 

[Its Vanilla]

I totally swung and missed on the setup and was a good 4 seconds off the pace.

I also figured people would mostly be doing a 2 stop strategy. The tires didn't seem to fall off as much as I thought they would.

 

[Müle]

So I know there were corner cuts going on, but I'm too lazy to go through and actually count it all.

 

[IforceV8]

So I know there were corner cuts going on, but I'm too lazy to go through and actually count it all.

 

[Müle]

Alright, going through it now, and will look through the top 5 finishers. I will be strict with points penalties as per the OP. Every time the outside tires touch an inside curb, it will count, unless you're avoiding something or whatever.

Official results and points tables will come when this is done.

EDIT: Watching 1 person's replay and after lap 7, he already has enough cuts for a 6 point penalty.

 

[The Bman]

And I bet you that person who cut all of those corners is me.

Told you how disastrous this race was for me, couldn't steer for for 🤬 until later on when I finally got comfortable with my car (when it didn't make a difference...).

 

[Müle]

GTP Nationwide Series

Round 3: Zippo 100

OFFICIAL RESULTS:​

1. Spurgy777 (s)
2. neljack
3. gokartman
4. smuffyatfcp
5. OwensRacing
6. mustardaddict
7. FraiserCrane
8. TRYNOR88
9. D4LVY_
10. Grinols
11. Crazy_Bassist_83
12. dragonwhisky
13. itsvanilla
14. Stormtrooper217 (p)
15. GTP_MichMich (DNS due to severe lag) (p)


Pole position: Spurgy777 - 1:40.129

Lap leaders:
neljack: lap 2
Spurgy777: laps 3-29

Fastest lap: Spurgy777 - 140.176


Incidents:

Each of the top 5 finishers were scrutinized for corner cutting, either for the whole replay, or until they reach 7 corner cuts, whichever came first. All other drivers were looked at from time to time, and additionally, everybody's first pitstop was looked at to check for people crossing the white line on pitout.

Some people might not be happy with what I'm about to type. Other people, however, might not be happy if I don't do anything about this. I will be setting an example that corner cutting will not be tolerated. I am aware that people slip up from time to time, myself included, whether by a mistake, or simply adjusting to the different track boundary rules employed by the GTP Nascar series'. That's why there is tolerance given before any penalties are applied. I also tried to look for as many excuses as possible for you guys. Perhaps you had dirty air, or worn tires. I looked past several "almost" situations. I didn't count any cuts that may have happened on lap 2, or when 2 cars were going side by side through a corner, as giving people as much space as possible is better than trying to make a turn and causing a crash.

I also counted the Chicane, and Ascari (right left right chicane before the last turn) as 1 turn, meaning of you cut both apexes, I only counted it as 1.

With all of that said:

Spurgy777: By lap 7, I quit bothering to count. He was already over 7. Further watching of his replay, I saw that as he grew to a comfortable lead, his cutting was getting less and less frequent, which makes me kind of believe that this was less accidental than everyone else. I'm stopping short of calling these deliberate, but just barely. Additionally, he clearly cut the 2nd apex of the chicane in order to blow past neljack, without even bothering to let up.

Penalties: Severe Infraction for "Repeated accidental corner cuts (7 or more)" + Minor infraction for "Passing out of bounds and not giving back the position"

6 + 1 points + probation for 3 weeks. Since he's moved to full time Sprint Cup now, I'll have to talk to Drop and also Furi, since he also does trucks.


neljack: Trying to be as lenient as possible, I still got to 7 cuts by lap 11. Not as bad as Spurgy, and I think possibly watching Spurgy pull ahead by cutting in front of him may have influenced him to push the boundaries more than usual. Or perhaps he's never raced before with the different rules. I donno, but still. :/

Penalties: Severe Infraction for "Repeated accidental corner cuts (7 or more)"

6 points + probation for 3 weeks


gokartman: He made it to lap 13, I believe, but other than that, pretty much the same as neljack. Also gets the distinction of being the only guy I saw to cut the 2nd Lesmo.

Penalties: Severe Infraction for "Repeated accidental corner cuts (7 or more)"

6 points + probation for 3 weeks


smuffyatfcp: Might have at least made it to his first pitstop, but if he did, he didn't last much longer than that.

Penalties: Severe Infraction for "Repeated accidental corner cuts (7 or more)"

6 points + probation for 3 weeks


OwensRacing: I watched his entire replay. Only 2 cuts, both of which he was clear off the gas, and 1 of which was because he got a bump from behind. If you have the replay, watch his race. Learn a few things. No penalty. Give this guy a round of applause. Or something.


Everybody else I looked at appeared to be clean, at least for the bits and pieces I watched them for. If I had time, I'd go through everyone else, but I don't. If you think somebody got away with something I didn't see, PM me and let me know who and when..


Crossing the pit exit line:

Stormtrooper2178, Crazy_Bassist_83, itsvanilla, TRYNOR88, and Grinols all get 1 point penalties for crossing the white pit exit line.

 

[Furinkazen]

Pm me mule if you have to say anything. Although I am not 100% sure on corner rules I know that usually it is considered acceptable to use kerb as long as two wheels are on racing surface, and running out wide a little as you can't usually gain time by doing so.

 

[Müle]

I went by Drops rules to the letter.

 

[Carbonox]

How can the 2nd Lesmo be cut in the first place?

 

[Spurgy 777]

I sort of see what Carb means by this being a bit too serious. Firstly I would like to just clear up that I'm not a corner cutting cheat, which, although you didn't say or mean it Mule, I feel that that idea is put across in what you said. My "corner cuts" were occasionally bringing the outside wheels a couple of inches within the white line at the 2nd kerb of the chicane and the first of Ascari. I'm sure it's the case for everyone else in the top 4, and the reason we all took that line is probably because it would have been acceptable in every other series we've done no questions asked.
And my cutting the corner to blow past Neljack was again maybe inches and I'm sure he wouldn't have cared. I can also guarantee that not one of us thought we were cutting, so saying Neljack probably did it because he saw me "cutting" in front is rubbish.
And yes I know what the rules say, but pretty much every series has the same rules, they just have it there so no one gains big advantages, no series I've been in watches every corner and the counts a cut as slightly crossing the white line, they allow what Furi said as long as you don't go too far with it.

 

[gokartman78]

How can the 2nd Lesmo be cut in the first place?

I don't know. i guess i just got turn in wrong and went over. Also how are we meant to tell we've cut it in cockpit? i did a few laps in that to keep myself alert and i had no idea if i cut it a few times then (laps 20 onwards). Im just saying if other people use cockpit it may be harder to tell if they are 'cutting' or not

 

[paulmac2k9]

I think Drops rules are more like "atleast 2 wheels on the black tarmac at all times".. Where as ofc most series just use OLR which is kerb is track too..

 

[Carbonox]

I think Drops rules are more like "atleast 2 wheels on the black tarmac at all times".. Where as ofc most series just use OLR which is kerb is track too..

Except for corner exits, those I remember being allowed at all times.

 

[Müle]

As much as I wanted to be lenient, I also wanted to be strict with the rules as they are written; that is why they are there. I explained them before the race started, everyone acknowledged it.

I'm setting an example. I've drawn the hard line. Come Nurburgring, everybody should now know what is and isn't accepted. If I didn't do anything, I guarantee someone would have complained that I let it slide when I specifically said it wasn't allowed.

 

[kenkwilinski]

I am disappointed in the quality of racing in here. In past, droptop would drop cutters several positions and chqr would apply 30sec penalties. Where is that at? So, if you cheat in this league you can still finish first? Wow, I have about had enough of this! 2 Outside wheels inside the white line No Matter What, Inches or Not! My only penalty was a pit exit! Patience will teach you guys something. Mule, I wish more would be done about this. Idk what these infractions due. But they don't di what they used to in the past. 4 seasons worth of rule making in this series, comeon man.

 

[gokartman78]

I am disappointed in the quality of racing in here. In past, droptop would drop cutters several positions and chqr would apply 30sec penalties. Where is that at? So, if you cheat in this league you can still finish first? Wow, I have about had enough of this! 2 Outside wheels inside the white line No Matter What, Inches or Not! My only penalty was a pit exit! Patience will teach you guys something. Mule, I wish more would be done about this. Idk what these infractions due. But they don't di what they used to in the past. 4 seasons worth of rule making in this series, comeon man.

even though i'm one of the guilty one's i agree with you. I shouldn't have 3rd place. If you gave us time penalties it would probably be better. That way the clean drivers get rewarded by gaining more points.

 

[Knelly]

I believe Mules penalties are bang on. He has taken points away from those who have caused infractions (which is what I believe was stated from day 1?)

It will hurt more at the end of the season with the points lost, rather than a have a 'seconds penalty'. Example here would be Spurgy winning SC race by 30 seconds. He gets a 30 second penalty and still finishes joint first? That seems more unfair to other drivers to me, rather than to Spurgy.

Hope that all makes sense - tired today.

 

[kenkwilinski]

I just think it's not fair to cut more than 7 times by lap 7 and still be awarded the win. If I knew I could get away with cheating and still win. Then why wouldn't I have done the same or the other 10 drivers in the field? And really it's 4/14 drivers who did this. So why aren't they penalized harder? They are not majority.

And for Spurgy....

Penalties: Severe Infraction for "Repeated accidental corner cuts (7 or more)" + Minor infraction for "Passing out of bounds and not giving back the position"

6 + 1 points + probation for 3 weeks. Since he's moved to full time Sprint Cup now, I'll have to talk to Drop and also Furi, since he also does trucks.

That equals 7 points (not the 6 you are trying to hide him behind) of infractions in one race. I see you are trying to be lienent, but I think this is still unfair.

So what you are saying, is this is his penalty:

Severe infractions - 6 points + automatic probation
-Deliberately causing a collision
-Repeated accidental corner cuts (7 or more)
-Deliberate corner cuts
-Sustained aggressive/reckless driving
-Causing multiple avoidable collisions

What he should get:

Extreme infractions - Disqualification from race + suspension from 1 or more races (up to and including championship exclusion)
-Committing any infraction while on probation
-Deliberately causing multiple collisions (DaveMay from Season 1 Daytona race)
-Driving backwards on the track for any reason
-Multiple Deliberate corner cuts

Even if you don't agree, think of this....He made 6 or more corner cuts period. So that's a Severe Infraction. And then later on after a lot more cuts he made an illegal pass. Well, isn't he technically on "Probation" after the 6 or more Corner cuts. Then the "Illegal Pass" would put him into the "Severe" category. I really think you should think this over. It makes me mad to know I could've cheated (to my standards) and could've done a lot better (top 5 possible).

 

[Spurgy 777]

The "Illegal pass" was on lap 2/3, get your facts right. You're just bitter that you were slow, the fact is, if I had run slightly wider, which if I had known you were so strict compared to other series I would have done, I would still have won, it wouldn't slow me down at all, just makes life a little harder trying to be more accurate on every lap. And you know for a fact, if you had "cheated for your standards" you wouldn't have come in the top 5, because you're way too slow, deal with it! Also the top 4 were in the top 4 because they've had more experience on tracks, not because they "cut corners", which they only did because they're used to it being legal to slightly trim corners.
So basically, deal with it this race, we'll make more of an effort next time now that we know you're so strict.

 

[neljack]

What the fu.....

Seriously, what the hell?

Its :censored:ing bull:censored: we were the only 4 guys, I do not believe that for a second, and how the hell can kartman cut the lesmo? Accidents happen anyway.

6 point penalty for a few accidents of corner cutting. which with all due respect, wouldnt have changed the race order. I doubt they even gained tenths of a second on a lap.

Dont want it to be over turned, dont care, when are the points tables up anyway now?

 

[Carbonox]

and how the hell can kartman cut the lesmo?

In no way. I call bull:censored: penalty.

 

[kenkwilinski]

The "Illegal pass" was on lap 2/3, get your facts right. You're just bitter that you were slow, the fact is, if I had run slightly wider, which if I had known you were so strict compared to other series I would have done, I would still have won, it wouldn't slow me down at all, just makes life a little harder trying to be more accurate on every lap. And you know for a fact, if you had "cheated for your standards" you wouldn't have come in the top 5, because you're way too slow, deal with it! Also the top 4 were in the top 4 because they've had more experience on tracks, not because they "cut corners", which they only did because they're used to it being legal to slightly trim corners.
So basically, deal with it this race, we'll make more of an effort next time now that we know you're so strict.

Well seeing that I'm no rookie and this is my fourth season of GTP NASCAR I already knew this was strict. So why don't you Read Up on the Rules Next time. Where the links to Droptop's Illustrations and links to examples and disputes not tell you this was serious? And anyways you keep saying I'm slow, does that bother me? NO! I have respect for myself and the integrity to the rules and this series. I proudly placed 11th with No Cutting. I don't need to play with cheaters. One more race like this and I'm out. I just can't believe that with such strcit rules, someone can still win with 7 or more cuts.

What the fu.....

Seriously, what the hell?

Dont race at road courses if you dont want people to touch the curbs, and at Monza to, what the hell?
Imagine the rules in F1, or I dunno, the actual Nascar. Putting 2 wheels on the curbs is hardly in infrigment.

Well I agree with this, I would like to use all Curbs period too. But since it strictly says 2 outside wheels on black tarmac at all times. I try a little harder in doing that instead of being sloppy and extra fast. Ultimately, get rid of the rule. But since we play with the rules, people need to learn to play fair too then.

 

[neljack]

I understand the rules and if Mule/other stewards think Ive cut corners accidently 6 times then so be it, but like i said, its a pile of faecal matter that we were the only 4.

I did agree to the rule as Mule did clearly state before the start of the race, its Monza, 28 amount of laps, its ridiculously easy to accidently cut certain corners 5/6/7 times in a race, for a 6 point penalty, thats insane and beyond belief.. The rule doesnt match up with the track's nature.

At the Nurb i get it with the chiance near the end of the lap which can be cut very intentially and lets of time to be gained.

Just use your common sense, it'll become pretty clear during the race who's gaining masses of time at Monza from cutting the chicances, its not even cutting is it, touching the curb with 2 wheels for crying out loud as a penalty? Jessh.

Come on guys, we race for fun on Saturday mornings/afternoons wherever you are in the world for a bit of a laugh and fun and I think most of us here are trusted racers.

I just dont get it 👎

 

[Furinkazen]

Crazy. As usual you try stirring the pot. My driver is not a cheat, and it appears margins for error have been cut. We require a clear video explanation, perfectly decent racers are getting tarnished through heavy handed or poorly judged penalties. And crazy... Like I said just shut up causing trouble as usual on the threads.

 

[neljack]

Well seeing that I'm no rookie and this is my fourth season of GTP NASCAR I already knew this was strict. So why don't you Read Up on the Rules Next time. Where the links to Droptop's Illustrations and links to examples and disputes not tell you this was serious? And anyways you keep saying I'm slow, does that bother me? NO! I have respect for myself and the integrity to the rules and this series. I proudly placed 11th with No Cutting. I don't need to play with cheaters. One more race like this and I'm out. I just can't believe that with such strcit rules, someone can still win with 7 or more cuts.



Well I agree with this, I would like to use all Curbs period too. But since it strictly says 2 outside wheels on black tarmac at all times. I try a little harder in doing that instead of being sloppy and extra fast. Ultimately, get rid of the rule. But since we play with the rules, people need to learn to play fair too then.

Stop using the word cheaters for accidental cutting at Monza, thats unfair

 

[Furinkazen]

Of course crazy in particular has a god complexion. You can't even gain that much time at Monza through small cuts. Its like people are punished for human error or wanting to go fast.

 

[neljack]

Taken from BST V-Spec thread, if anyone tells me the top 1 is a penalty in Nascar then your are 110% out of your mind.

Thats all Ill say before I get myself in more trouble, perfectly fair and clean racers being punished. Madness......

 

[kenkwilinski]

Of course crazy in particular has a god complexion.

Oh...And what Furi? YOU DON'T?!? LMFAO.....Mr. Perfectionist Right?

You can't even gain that much time at Monza through small cuts. Its like people are punished for human error or wanting to go fast.

Human Error, misjudgement = Stupid Mistakes, sometimes punishable (per our rules we race by). Oh and Furi is just a little ticked because he cheated at SuzE in S2. Us two had a battle and he was very sloppy, especially after looking over the replay. Droptop gave me 3rd and put Furi down for last. That's how the hammer is supposed to drop. I don't look at it as wanting to go fast, I see it as having patience and respect to the rules. If I wanted to go fast and not care about rules and penalties, I would have went at least a second per a lap faster without care for small (accidental cuts).

And crazy... Like I said just shut up causing trouble as usual on the threads.

How am I causing trouble by asking for a real penalty not some b.s. infraction? I don't even care how the order is. I just want it to be fair. Samething I have said to droptop in the past: LACK OF CONSISTANCY. Not what I signed-up for.

 

[Carbonox]

God, how inconsistent can a penalty system be though?

Remember Daytona? Akmuq taking me out by claiming my lane when I was just minding my own business? Got 1 point for that (which didn't really matter 'cause both of us are from SC). Now you're giving 6 points to people who probably gained a second or two in total for all their cuts. WTF is going on?!