Cautions are still called in real life so I don't agree with this point.
Not having cautions in our league is what keeps more cars that were involved in accidents near the back of the finishing order, just like they would finish in real life, since their cars would have received damaged from a real accident. If we had cautions in our league, cars that should have been out of contention (at least temporarily) would be fighting for laps led again in two laps. To me, that is unacceptable. If you can work your way back up, that's great. If not, tough luck.
Not at Indy, Daytona, or SSRX where once you lose the draft, its over. And I think those are the only 3 tracks that should have it be called.
You were asking for cautions only for accidents involving multiple cars, right? If a single car loses the draft in an accident, they weren't going to get a caution called, by your own standard. So, they would still be out of luck. If multiple cars wrecked, they have each other to work with, and it definitely benefits them to get back together to try to work their way back up to the front.
That also literally happened to Carbonox at the Chase Daytona race few weeks ago and he managed to get a whopping last. I recall that wreck as someone went under me and I got dangerously loose but managed to save. And Carbonox who was Mr. Innocent got collected and ended up spinning out. This was still fairly early in the race. Would it have been the end of the world if we all decided to slow up for him? I don't think so.
This is a case where Carb got unlucky. It happens. For the record, Carb did also wind up pitting a third time for fuel in a two-stop race, as did a lot of other drivers that miscalculated their fuel consumption. Had Carb taken a little more fuel on his second stop, he might have made up several positions by passing the other cars that had to take a splash of fuel at the end of the race. As it was, he finished 8th, and was close to 7th.
Majority here have mics, its not hard to communicate as to what just happened. Those who have wrecked should be able to plead their case for the caution, those who haven't wrecked should be able to make their case whether or not it is a fair or unfair caution. And the official word should be made by you.
Shouldn't we be using our mics to better communicate
before the accident, and not after it? If a decision has to be made about whether or not there's going to be a caution, someone is going to get mad (either way, caution or no caution). Then we'll have to listen to people bitch for 10 laps because "Driver X had a caution called for him under the exact same circumstances 3 races ago." I'm not going to try to decide what counts as a caution and what doesn't based on accidents I can't see multiple times via replay.
And I have to absolutely disagree with this. Almost every oval race we've had had a wreck involved.
And I'll tell you one thing, not allowing cautions actually ENCOURAGES more aggressive driving. If I am at Daytona or Indy, my mission is to get somewhere close to the front. Why? Because I know that if there is a wreck, everyone behind the wreck is in a position to get screwed. Knowing that there won't be any cautions to save me, I got to be leading or near the leader to avoid anything that happens behind me. And I know everyone feels this way and when we all try to get upfront, more aggressive driving and passing, more two wides and even three wides, and guess what more wrecks. (And the battle for laps lead doesn't help out either
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The reason there are wrecks isn't because people are trying to get to the front. It's because they are doing so in a reckless manner. At Daytona, you can't have every single car packed in to lane 1 and lane 2 and expect to drive away. Cars push up, cars slide, and most DS3 drivers swerve back and forth between the bottom two lanes on most laps. It is very possible to pass on the outside at Daytona, but most people aren't willing to try it. You need a group of three cars, and you need to run up high near the wall, and NOT in lane 2, right on top of the other cars. Run in what would be lane 3 or lane 4, and you'll have all the room you need to carry some speed out of the corner without fear of someone sliding in to you in the middle of the corner. If you aren't going to commit to cleanly passing high, you need to lay back and not push, so that when cars in front of you slip, you're not going to run over them. The seventh car in line on the bottom absolutely should NOT be pushing the sixth car into the back of the fifth-place car, if they don't have anywhere to go.
At Indy, it's everyone trying to get to the bottom and stay there. It's very possible to pass or hold position on the outside. I've seen numerous cars do it. The reason most cars don't want to do it is because they don't trust the car on the inside to hold the bottom well enough to not slide up and squeeze them into the wall.
At SSRX, there is absolutely no excuse for wrecking on any lap other than the last one, where patience usually goes out the window. The track is probably 7-8 cars wide, meaning you can run side-by-side for miles, and still have 3-4 car widths between you and another line of cars. In the corners, everyone should know that pushing is dangerous, and should try to avoid it. The corners are wide enough that we should be able to drive three-wide and never touch. The only thing that causes wrecks at SSRX is impatience (and probably some boredom/monotony).
You are totally right here.
I am being very specific when cautions should be brought out.
Only Daytona, Indy, and SSRX.
Only if the main pack is still together. Once people begin to make their first pitstops for their strategies, cautions are done.
So now we are breaking down what is or isn't a caution again? What constitutes a main pack? What if one guy has gotten out to a large lead, and everyone else is behind him in a large pack? Does the main pack also have to be the lead pack?
Think back to Knelly's win at Indy this season. When Nate and Mule wrecked running 2nd and 3rd, should we have called a caution, and let everyone catch up to Knelly?
I felt bad for Carb when he spun out. His example is perfect to what I am trying to say, he was innocent driver keeping it safe and staying in last place, and because of other driver's fault, his race was over.
Carb caught a bad break. It happens. Carb wasn't exactly in last place just coasting around (he had been fighting for the lead just a few laps prior and got shuffled back), but he was near the back of the pack at the time of the accident, so I understand your point.
However, I will remind you that Carb's wreck wouldn't have qualified for a caution by your own standard (multi-car accidents only). I'll also remind you that had Carb played his fuel better, he still could have salvaged a top 5-6 finish. That's not too bad when you consider he was all alone in 10th place on lap 25 in a 100-lap race.