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[CAM]

But we can't make it too hard to get into. Maybe there should be a series of each type at each star level? And three stars sounds easier. And I guess we can catch up tomorrow night, but I won't be on full time until about 8:30 PM, I'm going on a day trip.

 

[JLawrence]

Again, you gotta think of the number of people we're workin with. We won't be able to fill a whole bunch of upper level events.

 

[MitchZ06]

Can't agree with you more there. There won't be enough gold or platinum level (just using it as an example) guys getting around who can make the same time for a racing series, it's simply not possible. I'd rather think of the rating system as an indicator to the level the series is expected to run at, e.g. it's expected you are a clean enough driver to keep the quality up in the series and the penalties that will be handed are out would be more severe than a lower rated series, certain tyres are limited, aids are limited, etc for higher rated series'. That's a bit of a ramble but you get the idea.

 

[turbonutter69]

Like the idea.
I'd be up for helping out. I'm online most evenings.

 

[W3H5]

Can I be the pace car?

 

[Wardez]

Series ratings are going to be simple. We will keep our own database (spreadsheet) of series competitive ratings. We'll ask all organizers to keep the ratings in their thread titles (if possible) but we'll always have our own, changing, rating and description in the database.

The big thing about series ratings is that they're not constant.

It's an indicator of competitiveness. The ratings will be variable. They'll go up or down depending on who's racing, if any changes are made, and so on.

There will be a lot of factors that'll go into rating a series' difficulty so the database will include a thorough description of why the rating was choosen.

Rating the series should be simple, good car and track choice along with the right group of drivers (if they're all new drivers then we'll have to wait for their first race to be over so we can view fast laps and cleanliness) will etch themselves a five star rating.
One star ratings would be for series that use novelty cars and accept anyone for the grid without qualifying or ensuring speed before.

Most of the time, a five star series will have an elimnation sort of process where qualifying is on a separate day than the race. This is opposite of the way club format series run in that they'll allow any one to race as long as they sign up and show up. There will have to be exceptions though as there are some club format series that consist of a group of friends that are all extremely fast. In those cases they'll definitely get five stars.

There will be an easy to understand "legend" for prospective racers to go buy in picking a competitive rating.

 

[CAM]

That sounds like an awesome idea, if you can keep up with it.

 

[rhys159]

It's a good idea and with enough support I'm sure it would be great for the GTP community. I have one question though. Is this just for GT5 or could it cover other games such as Shift 2 and DiRT 3?

 

[Wardez]

It won't be hard to keep up with Cam.

@rhys. This is just for GT5 as we discuss it.

Also, another idea:
Instead of star ratings, do you think it would be better to organize series in a tier system?

Tier 1 series would be the most elite, T2, not as much etc.

This way there wouldn't be a limit on how far back we can go. So if a series is really just a mess we can ,temporarily , dub it Tier 10 or something to that effect. That way the organizers would see that their series is out of whack and we would lower the number as they got better.

It's still quite a subjective rating process but with good and vastly experienced judges this won't be a big deal.

 

[JLawrence]

I like the tier thought, but like I said before, we can't go making everything an "Elite" or "Pro" ranking because there are only so many of those on GTP, whereas the majority are going to be like me, just wanting to have a good time. So, I would suggest no more than one "Tier 1" group, and two being one step lower, regardless of the cars being run in them. I think the third level should be the goal level for most every series aside from the one or two designated to be otherwise, and even those should not be organized by an individual, but by the Board so that it does not appear as though we are playing favorites.


Edit: @Rhys: If this were to take off and be a success here that could be a possibility, but as Wardez said, this is specifically for GT5 at the moment. It would just complicate what we are attempting to do right now by adding anything else. Maybe if/when this is fully organized we will be able to expand.

 

[CAM]

I think a two tier system would be great .

 

[gogatrs]

Can I be the pace car?

👍

 

[gogatrs]

👍

And @Cam, maybe two main tiers, which is where most series will be, and then two "other" (for a lack of a better word) tiers. One for the extremely bad series, and the other for the best series.

Oops, hit the quote button, not edit. :/

 

[CAM]

That's not a half bad idea, I like it. And I've been on the beach all day, and the waves from the Tropical Storm/Depression took their toll, so you don't have to worry about me moving from my chair 👍.

 

[toyotsupra]

We need this in the FIA GT1 and GT2 championships and possibly the super GT championships how does that sound?

 

[MitchZ06]

Err...yeah if the series organizers decide to become sanctioned by this governing body, how does that sound?

 

[CAM]

Haha yeah, we will take all the series we can get I suppose. We really need to get some of this done haha .

 

[Downhill Dino]

Oh I'm so confused. This post says that, the other says this. What are you guys talking about? Even though I haven't been posting I've been following every post you guys have made to update myself.

I got my Mini series up, hopefully it will be successful.

 

[CAM]

What are you confused about? We're still deliberating, nothing is final except what is in the OP 👍.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Well I know that. But it seems you were talking about the star ratings and then stuff just went everywhere in my eyes. Where's that idea going? Has it been settled? I can't tell.

 

[CAM]

No, I don't think so. There are a lot of directions it could go.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Also, another idea:
Instead of star ratings, do you think it would be better to organize series in a tier system?

Tier 1 series would be the most elite, T2, not as much etc.

This way there wouldn't be a limit on how far back we can go. So if a series is really just a mess we can ,temporarily , dub it Tier 10 or something to that effect. That way the organizers would see that their series is out of whack and we would lower the number as they got better.

It's still quite a subjective rating process but with good and vastly experienced judges this won't be a big deal.

Looks a lot better then the star idea in my view. I like it. T1 to T10?

 

[CAM]

There should probably only be three, maybe four at the most as gatrs said.

 

[Downhill Dino]

So T1 to T4? In the title of a series would it be showed as (ex) T2 or Tier 2?

 

[CAM]

That's what I think would work, and that's gatrs idea. So whenever he gets here we will be able to decide.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Oh it was? I need to look at through the posts again. I seem to be missing information.

 

[gogatrs]

I'd say four or five tiers.
If we do five, let's do stars instead of tiers.

And we're agreed that the rating will need to be given by a group of three to five people?

I vote for four tiers.
Let's go by majority.

Four tiers: 1 vote
Five stars: 0 votes

 

[CAM]

Maybe two main tiers, which is where most series will be, and then two "other" (for a lack of a better word) tiers. One for the extremely bad series, and the other for the best series.

Here it is, don't go looking 👍

Yes, that would give more jobs to people and it sounds like something fairly important that needs to be kept up with. I vote four tiers.

 

[Downhill Dino]

^ Thanks. Very interesting too.

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Four Tiers: 2 votes
Five Stars: 0 votes

I like the sound of Tiers.

 

[CAM]

So did you vote for four, Elitedreamer? Cause that would make three.