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[CodeRedR51]

FishHunters contacted me last night and wants his series sanctioned, which should help us out.

Which one?

 

[CAM]

All of them, it seemed like. That's the good part.

 

[BrandonW77]

Do they all meet a certain set of agreed upon standards or do they all get sanctioned just because he signed up?

 

[CAM]

Right now we're taking everyone that asks because we don't have set license tests or any set standards, but his series are pretty known and widely used so we would accept him regardless.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Do they all meet a certain set of agreed upon standards or do they all get sanctioned just because he signed up?

I think these things need to be thought through thoroughly. So I concur that everyone needs to agree on this stuff and someone shouldn't be able to be in "just because".

 

[CAM]

Well then how do we discern who is able to join and who isn't?

 

[BrandonW77]

Right now we're taking everyone that asks because we don't have set license tests or any set standards, but his series are pretty known and widely used so we would accept him regardless.

That's no good. You can't let anybody join until some kind of standards are set and agreed upon by a majority. The license tests can come later if they're still deemed necessary but if a league is "sanctioned" by a governing body that has no set standards, then being sanctioned means nothing. A league or club should have to adhere to a certain set of (broad) formulas that produce organized and smoothly operated events and an ORB Supervisor should sit in on one of the events to verify the races are run as stated and that the host is competent and timely. Then, and only then, when people see "ORB Sanctioned" they will know it's a league worth their time.

 

[CAM]

The only reason I said that anyone can join now is so that people who want our name up on their threads can do so until everything gets set up. People whose series don't have what we're looking for can be ousted when everything gets set up. I thought that's how it had worked so far.

 

[BrandonW77]

The only reason I said that anyone can join now is so that people who want our name up on their threads can do so until everything gets set up. People whose series don't have what we're looking for can be ousted when everything gets set up. I thought that's how it had worked so far.

Seems like it would be less messy to screen groups first instead of letting them in just to kick them out. I don't think that will earn much respect for the ORB.

 

[JLawrence]

Seems like it would be less messy to screen groups first instead of letting them in just to kick them out. I don't think that will earn much respect for the ORB.

This 👍

 

[CAM]

Whatever works for you guys, I don't mean to hinder so much. I figured since his series were generally well represented it wouldn't be a problem. Sorry.

 

[gogatrs]

I think the people that assign the tier should set those standards/decide whether they meet the standards. 👍

 

[CAM]

Okay, whatever works. I think you guys should tell me what I am and am not allowed to do before I make anymore mistakes.

 

[gogatrs]

Okay, whatever works. I think you guys should tell me what I am and am not allowed to do before I make anymore mistakes.

I would've done the same thing had we not just had this discussion.

 

[CAM]

Okay, just making sure. What can we do to keep progressing? It seems we haven't made any headway in awhile.

 

[JLawrence]

I honestly dint know elegy headway Rhee is to be made askance from the license tests. What is next on that agenda?

 

[FishHunters]

Throw me in the mix. I volunteer.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I honestly dint know elegy headway Rhee is to be made askance from the license tests. What is next on that agenda?

What?

 

[JLawrence]

What?

Ughh. That was so much more clear when I typed it in the bar last night! Why I was on my iPhone with this app I do not recall..

Anyways, I apologize for that. Just so I know, have we agreed upon any set of standards for admitting a race series? I didn't see anything, specific but I figured it'd be wise to ask regardless.

 

[gogatrs]

I think there should just be standards for each tier.
The series' that are out of wack will most likely be Tier 4.

 

[CAM]

Throw me in the mix. I volunteer.

We are accepting him, right? I mean, I understand some newer guys not being allowed to have our series run by us, but FH has been here awhile.

 

[disinfected]

Anyone want to help me homologate some cars? Got a new series under development to fall under the ORB. Have a list of cars if anyone is interested.

 

[Wardez]

Super tourers? Like 90's FIA Super tourers?

Sounds like an awesome idea.

Just post the list here.

Also, I'm still working on some stuff guys, I'll post it tomorrow.

 

[disinfected]

Super tourers? Like 90's FIA Super tourers?

Sounds like an awesome idea.

Just post the list here.

Also, I'm still working on some stuff guys, I'll post it tomorrow.

Exactly, though it's going to have to utilize late-90's early 00's cars.
-Accord Euro R
-Nissan Primera
-Lexus IS200
-Citroen Xantia
-Opel/Vauxhall Vectra

Can't find where I saved my list, I think I had a few more. But those were the glory days of touring cars.

 

[leowan731]

If I'm wrong please correct me but do shuffle races use cars from a user's garage. If so we can make accounts specifically for each tier.

 

[BrandonW77]

I think there should just be standards for each tier.
The series' that are out of wack will most likely be Tier 4.

If a series is out whack it shouldn't be accepted. Giving it a Tier 4 rating would be like telling nobody to sign up for it because it's not "up to snuff", so it would effectively kill the series. Doesn't make sense to sanction a series just to kill it off.

In my opinion there shouldn't be tiers. A series should be sanctioned or not, simple as that. Then potential members would be able to quickly tell if it's a quality series or not with just a glance and not have to do a bunch of research about it's tier rating.

 

[JLawrence]

If a series is out whack it shouldn't be accepted. Giving it a Tier 4 rating would be like telling nobody to sign up for it because it's not "up to snuff", so it would effectively kill the series. Doesn't make sense to sanction a series just to kill it off.

In my opinion there shouldn't be tiers. A series should be sanctioned or not, simple as that. Then potential members would be able to quickly tell if it's a quality series or not with just a glance and not have to do a bunch of research about it's tier rating.

I get what you're saying here, but my thought on tiers is to give a reference to how competitive or serious that series will be, not a quality check.

 

[BrandonW77]

I get what you're saying here, but my thought on tiers is to give a reference to how competitive or serious that series will be, not a quality check.

Then there should only be 2 tiers, Casual and Serious. Any more than that and you'll end up with unfavorable labels that end up killing a series because nobody will want to join a lower tier league. Those are self explanatory too, Casual implies any skill level is welcome and the emphasis is on developing skills while Serious has emphasis on both driving and tuning and has tight competition.

I firmly believe that simpler is better and the less you ask or require of drivers/members the more successful it will be. So a league sanctioning process could be something like this:

A league director fills out the necessary Google doc to submit their league. An ORB official reviews the league thread and looks for things such as organization, clear explanation of format and rules, thorough regulations that cover all foreseeable incidents, procedures and requirements that are easily "police-able", etc. If the ORB Official believes it's up to snuff they will then sit-in on a race to ensure the director handles the race format and group effectively. If the Official approves then the league/club will be Sanctioned.

After that a league director must continue to meet ORB requirements such as maintaining the approved structure (no radical changes during the season), update their thread with results and info in a timely manner, and submit their results and incidents to the ORB in a timely manner. Failure to do so could results in probation or exclusion from the ORB.

Deciding whether it's Casual or Serious should be done based on format (group qualifying vs. live 4 lap qualifying, sprint vs. enduro, low-to-mid hp cars vs. high power cars/race cars, length of season). Ranking them based on competition of participants is tricky because this could vary from race to race. Maybe after 5 races a league could be reviewed and if it proves to consistently attract fast drivers and produce very close racing it could be given a Star Rating(Casual* or Serious*) to indicate a level of high competition.

 

[CAM]

I like the Casual/Serious idea myself.

 

[JLawrence]

That's basically what I was thinking of, but I would like to leave room for a third level in case we ever decide to organize a race/series for the absolute best on GTP.