GTP Spec Miata Racing Series : Season 1 Complete; Season 2 Soon!

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Your exit speeds from the corners leading onto the front and back straights were too slow.

Probably had to do with that, but in 40 laps I could never get decent time. Also, when I was behind some people in a straight I did not find myself gaining any speed. I don't know, when I play iRacing everything feels more even. Anyway, this is a fun series, and my bad times probably have to do with my lack of any practice at all before the race.
 
Points are updated.

Here's the results:

Group A
  1. El_ZISSOU
  2. R1600Turbo +5.695
  3. Spyhunter +6.008
  4. Egghead +6.763
  5. Dr Wankel +19.153
  6. SpecMiata-JSW +19.521
  7. GrahamTurismo +22.127
  8. SAMHAIN85 + 31.589
  9. Wardez + 35.091
  10. sonic-_-89b +35.553
  11. tt997 +44.437
  12. AlGreene71 +1:46.473

Group B
  1. iamjamen
  2. Imari +21.839
  3. Anorexicroadstr +26.952
  4. filphil89 +1:03.727
  5. LVSX4MZ3 +1:17.463
  6. vanos2990 +1:29.609
  7. tsnacks +1:33.236
  8. Jay2DaB329 -1 Lap
  9. kona309 -1 Lap
  10. apradel -1 Lap
  11. motortrend -1 Lap
  12. adeadsnipermatt - DNF (disconnect)


Lots of good racing out there tonight. I'll go over the replays in the next couple days to make sure everything is clean. I did catch one person cutting the chicane, but they were in the back of the pack so I'm not sure if I'm going to penalize or not.

Next week is Indianapolis GP Circuit, no pit stops required.
 
I did catch one person cutting the chicane, but they were in the back of the pack so I'm not sure if I'm going to penalize or not.

Next week is Indianapolis GP Circuit, no pit stops required.

I think I cut the chicane once accidentally, if you mean me, the penalties were on though
 
Check your e-mail.

Edit: I'll get the replay out to you tomorrow.



I think banning mics would cause more trouble than good. Being able to communicate verbally is a nice tool and I personally enjoy the interactivity. I think what we really should be trying to do, if we feel that background noise is a problem, is encourage people to use the "mute" button on their mic so people are not disturbing others.

It doesn't really matter if you can talk.. some people just don't listen. Spun out 1st lap of 40 after i stated my location. Just my 2cents. :mischievous:
 
I wish you could switch views during the replay. I wanted to see what it looked like from someone right behind you, but I can't. :(

I had a front row seat 👍

At first I thought I would be safe if I stayed on the line, but I ended up having to veer to the right to avoid the collision as he snapped back.

I snapped a few shots from the replay:

The mistake:

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The resulting excitement:

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Nah, in Group A. I haven't seen the Group B replay yet.

As promised:

2 Youtube 720p HD vids from race A last night, following the leaders: (turbo and zissou)

Laps 30-35:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZHWFpDV-34&feature=player_detailpage#t=0s

Laps 36-40:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mcbdmKZkLII#t=0s

Vids seem to be at the quality intended - if anyone has playback issues please let me know - also , the videos arent public/searchable, so u need the direct links to access them
 
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Long post alert! :dopey:

Heh heh, well first of all thanks to all for the nice long race last night, and many thanks to Neth for kindly making and posting the videos. And thanks especially to R for running another smooth event.

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Also, I must apologize to R for one of my passes. I believe it was turn 3; the left turn after the short downhill section. I went inside and brushed against you lightly- not an awful pass, but certainly not one I would normally have made. There are a couple things to explain why it happened-

1. I thought you had not pitted yet. Since the pit stop seemed incredibly long on this track because it takes you at pit speed all the way down the straight and then around the first corner, I think the whole affair took of 20 seconds or so. So, there were several laps where I was putting a good-sized gap on you early on in the lap, and you were still close enough to draft back up to me, and you continued to battle with me, costing us both time. I was getting a bit frustrated that a driver who I thought was 30 seconds behind me was costing me time and allowing those who I had a 10-second lead on to catch up, so I lowered my passing standards just a bit.

2. I also thought it looked like you were intentionally going wide on entry to let me through- I thought you were doing this because you wanted me to get back by either because you realized I had a 30-second lead over you and you didn't want to slow me down, or because you pushed wide and knocked into me when I was trying to pass you on the outside of turn 1.

Ha ha, so the short version is, I wouldn't normally have made that pass, but I thought you were letting me back through, and I was eager to get by because I didn't realize you were legitimately in second place, and were causing me to be in danger of getting caught by whoever was actually in second. :)

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On the microphone topic- I feel very stongly that mics should be banned during races. These races require nearly as much concentration as a race in a real car on a real track, and there is an unbelievable amount of needless chatter, background noise and mic feedback, cursing, grumbling, complaining, exclaiming, and whistling
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that goes on. For examples, please have a look at the videos posted above. I really can't stand it, and I plan to connect a mic next race just so I can set it next to me and allow it to pick up any talking so that it doesn't come through my speakers, and so I can concentrate on my race.

I do not mean to be harsh, but I think the argument for mics being used as a tool to identify your location on track is quite unfounded- we have many tools to handle that already, including mirrors (for those who have that option, depending on their controller type), setting the track map to a small scale and observing the triangles, and just good old fashioned paying attention to who is in front of and behind before entering a turn. Also, the tools I mentioned are a bit more realistic (the track map with triangles is a pretty good substitute for the awareness you would have in real life that doesn not transfer to the game) than using the mics- we can't tell another driver where we are in a real race.

For those who enjoy the interaction- you can still get plenty of that during casual practice races and free run sessions, and the pre-race practice. I think the best thing to do is ban all mic use during qualifying and racing, except for the race steward, who should limit mic use only to very neccesary items.

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And finally, I noticed that not everyone paid attention to or understood the benefits of the advice given by myself and others after some earlier races regarding heavy battling in early stages. At the start of the race last night, I was with a car with whom I may have broken away from the pack and ran with for the entire race to claim first and second spot, but he made every attempt to pass me in the first few laps, costing us both a half second per lap, and allowing the pack to eat through the small lead we built up. Ironically, after I had opened up a 10 or 15 second lead over him, I ended up behind him after exiting the pits, and after I passed him he went back to the same business of catching up to me in the draft and then stuffing his car up the inside going into the chicane or turn 1, costing us both half a second per lap. He was a fast driver and had no trouble sticking with me, especially with the good drafting opportunities on this track, but his need to get in front of me at all costs eventually landed him in the barrier at the chicane after a poorly-executed dive up the inside- I think that's how we ended up with a PD haybale in the middle of the road approaching the final turn. :embarrassed:

To try and make the point again- if you find yourself with another car who is near your speed, it will benefit you both to save any battling until late in the race. If you fight for position early on, chances are that you are just going to trade positions back and forth, lap after lap, and cost each other a half second per lap. 10 laps of this puts you 5 second behind the cars ahead of you, or if you had a 5 second lead, it is now gone and you are vulnerable to whoever was 5 seconds behind you. Instead of fighting for position, you can work together with the other car, and still trade positions by drafting (as long as it doesn't result in a dive up the inside into the next turn), and only take a pass if the other driver makes a mistake and you can get by easily, without slowing either of you down.

Thanks for reading, I look forward to any feedback. :)
 
Awesome spin! Looks like GT5 got that part of the engine right. Just like the real thing. Looks like you guys had fun.
 
So you guys didn't run with penalties on, hmmm?

I wondered about that. I'll confess to being really hopeful about halfway through the race that you would hit some backmarkers and slow up enough for me to catch you. I was gutted that they ghosted and we could both just cruise through them with no danger.

I do think it makes the latter stages of the race just a little bit more interesting with penalties off and the potential for traffic related mishaps.
 
Also, I must apologize to R for one of my passes. I believe it was turn 3; the left turn after the short downhill section. I went inside and brushed against you lightly- not an awful pass, but certainly not one I would normally have made. There are a couple things to explain why it happened-

1. I thought you had not pitted yet.

2. I also thought it looked like you were intentionally going wide on entry to let me through

Yeah I thought you stuffed it in there pretty good. My driving style consists of late entries into corners to I can get the thing turned and get back on the gas as soon as possible. Could definitely be mistaken for giving someone room. No big deal, I only had half my tires left and I was trying to hold onto the lead the best I knew how, just like a real racer would. 👍

I pitted at the end of lap 10. Thought getting it done early would be an interesting strategy that did not work in my favor.
 
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To try and make the point again- if you find yourself with another car who is near your speed, it will benefit you both to save any battling until late in the race...

good point. Admittedly I'll do this too.

On the other side of it, you have potential to be ALOT faster passing and trading drafts cleanly, or even bump drafting to pull away from a pack. Problem is, with so much on the line, racers will not want to give up a position like that just to have a faster "overall time" at the end of the race. I've done this method to put football fields between a pack when I'm running for fun with a buddy.

In a heated competition expect pass attempts, as always try to make it clean. I personally rather have a great back and forth battle than set a track record in time. But its good to be aware that "battling" is making you slower.

And thanks for the advise of magnifying the map display to see the racers around you, its tricky hitting the dpads on my shifter setup of my G27
 
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And finally, I noticed that not everyone paid attention to or understood the benefits of the advice given by myself and others after some earlier races regarding heavy battling in early stages. At the start of the race last night, I was with a car with whom I may have broken away from the pack and ran with for the entire race to claim first and second spot, but he made every attempt to pass me in the first few laps, costing us both a half second per lap, and allowing the pack to eat through the small lead we built up. Ironically, after I had opened up a 10 or 15 second lead over him, I ended up behind him after exiting the pits, and after I passed him he went back to the same business of catching up to me in the draft and then stuffing his car up the inside going into the chicane or turn 1, costing us both half a second per lap. He was a fast driver and had no trouble sticking with me, especially with the good drafting opportunities on this track, but his need to get in front of me at all costs eventually landed him in the barrier at the chicane after a poorly-executed dive up the inside- I think that's how we ended up with a PD haybale in the middle of the road approaching the final turn. :embarrassed:


Actually, no I didn't hit the barrier at all. That pass was, indeed, a poor decision. My thought, early in the race, was that drafting past you on one straight, and you drafting by me on the other, could actually help us break away. I didn't feel my passes in turn 1 were slowing us down that much. Guess I was wrong, my apologizes. Also, don't assume everyone has read everything here. I hadn't read ANY of what you stated before, regarding this. You state it wasn't in our best interest to "battle", yet you did a good job of making sure to pass me back each lap. Just saying. :sly:

Your right about the mics. I will remove mine for the next race. Mine is also, apparently, way too sensitive. Sheesh. I see what you are complaining about. I apologize. Not sure who whistled, but yeah.
 
So a couple things were brought to my attention after watching replays:

Runoff areas and the chicane were being well used. One person in particular (no names) cut the chicane several times during the race to catch back up the field after they had made a mistake and lost ground to the pack. I know a lot of us were cutting the chicane as close as we could, but going straight across the grass is not OK. Also, the runoff area in turn 4? was being used up pretty good. One car width is pushing it, 2+ car widths is out of line. I was pretty sure we all agreed before the race that two wheels were to stay on the track (within the white lines) at all times, unless a mistake was made. I know when the tires start giving out it's hard to keep the car in line.

BUT, this is how I'm going to deal with this in the future. Keep in mind all of us can watch the replays, so if you do something....you will be caught. If the runoff area, etc is used by mistake, that's fine. But you have two chances to use that mistake. If caught for a third time (3rd strike) you will be deducted 5 points.

I know this coming Sunday at Indy there's not many places to cut except for turn one (stay outside the tires) and the last hard right hander coming back onto the oval (stay off the grass) so we shouldn't have any problems.
 
You state it wasn't in our best interest to "battle", yet you did a good job of making sure to pass me back each lap. Just saying. :sly:

*chuckles* I thought so. Because like I said people aren't willing to give up the position, much less first. The "wait later to pass" is a STRATEGY that some may want to use and others will noT. I don't think you can enforce it
 
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Actually, no I didn't hit the barrier at all.

Ooh sorry, I thought it looked like you would hit it for sure, since you were still moving past me very quickly in a straight line while I was beginning to tip it in for the chicane. Glad you made it out of there better than I had thought!

My thought, early in the race, was that drafting past you on one straight, and you drafting by me on the other, could actually help us break away. I didn't feel my passes in turn 1 were slowing us down that much. Guess I was wrong, my apologizes. Also, don't assume everyone has read everything here. I hadn't read ANY of what you stated before, regarding this. You state it wasn't in our best interest to "battle", yet you did a good job of making sure to pass me back each lap. Just saying. :sly:

I do not accept your apology because I don't think there is anything that needs apologizing for, sir. :)

I just wanted to get a discussion going about better strategies for long races, especially long races that are one in a larger series where points are involved. 👍

I tried to word my comments (up near the top of the paragraph) to include those who may not have seen the earlier part of the discussion- I'm sorry I didn't get that out more clearly.

The strategy about trading positions on the straights, like you mentioned, is a good one when the two cars are turning laptimes that are extremely close (I'd say 1, maybe 2 tenths apart). In a case where there is a bigger gap, the pair of cars will go much faster if the faster car remains in front. So to address two of your comments - why the strategy slowed us down, and why I made sure I passed you back - I wanted to make sure I was in front because if I am in front and I am running 147.0, then we are running 147.0, but if you are in front and running 147.5 then we are running 147.5 each lap. Does that make sense?

Trust me, if this weren't a situation where a more conservative long-term strategy was more appropriate, I am more than eager to have a good battle. :)



*chuckles* I thought so. Because like I said people aren't willing to give up the position, much less first. The "wait later to pass" is a STRATEGY that some may want to use and others will no. I don't think you can enforce it

Please see my second to last paragraph above. 👍

I am not suggesting that anything bad orwrong happened, or that something needs to be enforced- I am just talking about a smarter strategy that will yield better laptimes, and therefore offer the possibilty of better finishing positions.

Another great example is the Trial Mountain practice race. SAM and I were a long way back from the leaders, and we worked together all race and eventually caught them after almost a half hour of cooperation. We would have finished 4th and 5th I believe, but using this strategy SAM won it and I was in second place on the last lap. :)
 
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.. I wanted to make sure I was in front because if I am in front and I am running 147.0, then we are running 147.0, but if you are in front and running 147.5 then we are running 147.5 each lap. Does that make sense?
i know this is addressed to Spy, but said comment is arrogant.

If im faster than a fellow miata spec'er, It doesn't matter if they get behind my drafts, I'll eventually lose them regardless, because im faster. Or if im slower it works the same way. If a racer is consistently pulling up to your bumper at the end of every straight for several laps, your not any faster and should expect to be passed and battled. .5 second on a 1:50 track is negligible. This isn't time trial and we're not hot lapping we're racing.

You have made some great point,I just wanted to share in the discussion
 
.5 second on a 1:50 track is negligible.

You have made some great point,I just wanted to share in the discussion

If someone catches up because of the .5, as was the case supposedly, then it is not negligible by definition. Also, by definition, anything El Z says about racing is not arrogant.

I only speak up because this is such a great series, potentially, but some of the driving is sub-par compared to what is happening. If I'm lucky enough next season will have two time slots, and in that case I will be racing with you guys for long periods of time. 👍
 
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Just watched the first video. Needless to say the start of lap 34 was interesting, including the two bumps I received on the front straightaway. :)
 
...going straight across the grass is not OK.
I already admitted to that being me. I turned the chicane into a straight one time to make up for time I lost after going into the sand on turn 7. Of course I would never do that to gain a position or anything advantageous.
 
It's up to Racer A whether they think that Racer B in front is faster and the best strategy is to try and ride their coattails to victory, or whether Racer B is slower and ultimately runs the risk of holding up Racer A or even taking them out with a mistake.

And even then, there's advantages to battling. Maybe you can force the other driver into a mistake that could set them back far enough for you to take a victory. If Racer B is actually seriously faster than you and there's the danger of them pulling away, perhaps you want to slow them down a bit so that you can keep them in range for the draft along the straights and to keep to possibility of fighting for that position alive. The downside of being behind is that one little mistake can suddenly drop you out of drafting range, and suddenly you're MUCH slower.

As long as there's no dirty driving going on, it's a choice that people are free to make. If you can't get clear of them and they insist on battling, then that's the way the cookie crumbles. For whatever reason, that's their strategy and it's your job to deal with it.

P.S. After all that, I do actually agree that cooperative driving is often desirable, particularly early in the race.
 
It wasn't you. :)
Well then we have many guilty culprits. I took the grass jump on lap 22 after nearly spinning and a huge slam into the wall. As I said, I didn't gain anything from it other than trying to maintain a steady average lap time. I was 10+ seconds ahead of and behind my respective position neighbors.

Added the 5-point reduction penalty description to the points structure.
I am going to argue this, probably because I am among those who exercise generous driving lines from time to time. :P I think if a not so legal move is used to gain an advantage then there should definitely be a consequence, but for someone driving in the back of the pack or all alone and is trying to make up some time due to an off (so as not to turn a 2:10 lap).
 
It's up to Racer A whether they think that Racer B in front is faster and the best strategy is to try and ride their coattails to victory, or whether Racer B is slower and ultimately runs the risk of holding up Racer A or even taking them out with a mistake.

And even then, there's advantages to battling. Maybe you can force the other driver into a mistake that could set them back far enough for you to take a victory. If Racer B is actually seriously faster than you and there's the danger of them pulling away, perhaps you want to slow them down a bit so that you can keep them in range for the draft along the straights and to keep to possibility of fighting for that position alive. The downside of being behind is that one little mistake can suddenly drop you out of drafting range, and suddenly you're MUCH slower.

As long as there's no dirty driving going on, it's a choice that people are free to make. If you can't get clear of them and they insist on battling, then that's the way the cookie crumbles. For whatever reason, that's their strategy and it's your job to deal with it.

P.S. After all that, I do actually agree that cooperative driving is often desirable, particularly early in the race.

EXACTLY! agreed
 
Just watched the first video. Needless to say the start of lap 34 was interesting, including the two bumps I received on the front straightaway. :)

that was just some paint sharing - dont forget to use condoms! :)

anyone have the B race replay and could post/send to me? wanted to record the last 10 laps of that one and post them to youtube as well (the previous races would be much appreciated as well)

I will be withdrawing from racing (unless you guys ever want to fill a grid and need subs) in this series - but, i am hoping to capture / youtube each weeks race (depending on my ISP bill of course :P they dont like people uploading too much) to youtube
at a bare minimum, the last 10 laps - but i do have the capability to record the whole race....

Wondering what everyone thinks of this?
 
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