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danoff
You've got your reasons for putting Bob so high on the list. But I try not to take bands' political views or outspokeness into account when voting, because otherwise my top 20 wouldn't have much to do with music.

Yes, but Dylan's role as spokesman for the generation wasn't his outspokenness-- he didn't speak out politically, much to the chagrin of the antiwar movement; rather, it was his speaking to the disenfranchisement of his generation through his lyrics. And in rock music, lyrics are an important (though not all-important) part. Please note that it wasn't his politics that I mentioned-- rather that the people of that time found his message to resonate. This is far more important than what his politics were.
 
h0ss
Yes, but Dylan's role as spokesman for the generation wasn't his outspokenness-- he didn't speak out politically, much to the chagrin of the antiwar movement; rather, it was his speaking to the disenfranchisement of his generation through his lyrics. And in rock music, lyrics are an important (though not all-important) part. Please note that it wasn't his politics that I mentioned-- rather that the people of that time found his message to resonate. This is far more important than what his politics were.

Well now I'm curious. Would he have been less of a musician if his lyrics had not resonated? I guess it's new-age of me to devalue lyrics in music, but half the time I don't even know what they're saying, and when I find out, I usually try to ignore the mesage anyway.

I judge music on sound rather than meaning. To me, the meaning isn't music at all. But since this is the "top 100 rock bands of all time" and not the "top 100 musicians of all time", I suppose you could consider one band better than the other because they were able to connect lyrically with their audience.
 
danoff
Well now I'm curious. Would he have been less of a musician if his lyrics had not resonated? I guess it's new-age of me to devalue lyrics in music, but half the time I don't even know what they're saying, and when I find out, I usually try to ignore the mesage anyway.

Absolutely. The poetry of lyrics is a vital part of sung popular music. Even singing in an unintelligible manner (cookie-monster growling in death metal, frex) is an artistic, musical choice. This isn't new, it goes back for millenia. Some musicians are great because of instrumental prowess, some for other reasons. I believe that Bobby was number one in this category, because he was a lyricist who really nailed it.

I judge music on sound rather than meaning. To me, the meaning isn't music at all. But since this is the "top 100 rock bands of all time" and not the "top 100 musicians of all time", I suppose you could consider one band better than the other because they were able to connect lyrically with their audience.

The lack of widespread popularity in instrumentals would place you firmly in the minority; frankly, it's where I hang out as well. :D I listen mostly to bands who sing a little bit so you know what the song is, then go on 30-minute instrumental journeys.

Also, a question: what if the music itself, sans lyrics, held meaning. There are many examples of this in classical music; one might be able to think of examples in rock as well. Does this mean that you would not judge the music on how well it achieved this goal?
 
h0ss
Absolutely. The poetry of lyrics is a vital part of sung popular music. Even singing in an unintelligible manner (cookie-monster growling in death metal, frex) is an artistic, musical choice.

Singing is part of music. But what you're siging is an artistic expression rather than musical.

The lack of widespread popularity in instrumentals would place you firmly in the minority; frankly, it's where I hang out as well. :D I listen mostly to bands who sing a little bit so you know what the song is, then go on 30-minute instrumental journeys.

:) Then where's Pink Floyd in your list?

Also, a question: what if the music itself, sans lyrics, held meaning. There are many examples of this in classical music; one might be able to think of examples in rock as well. Does this mean that you would not judge the music on how well it achieved this goal?

I've never been big on the whole "music itself" holding meaning bit. I know some classical works are trying to create stories using only instruments. But I think that whatever story the listener hears is his own personal interpretation. It's a bit like abstract art in that regard. Each viewer/listener gets something different, it isn't supposed to be measured in terms of how well it conveys any one particular meaning.
 
danoff
:) Then where's Pink Floyd in your list?

While I love Floyd, I don't feel like they changed Rock music. Their path was their own. It's more a matter of who would I leave off that list, to make room for Floyd?

I've never been big on the whole "music itself" holding meaning bit. I know some classical works are trying to create stories using only instruments. But I think that whatever story the listener hears is his own personal interpretation. It's a bit like abstract art in that regard. Each viewer/listener gets something different, it isn't supposed to be measured in terms of how well it conveys any one particular meaning.

Yeah, and that's where lyrics come back in-- they take it from abstract to concrete, and then we get to the point of 'did the artist convey what they wanted to convey'.

I'm really not trying to convince you to see things 'my way', fwiw. I'm just having fun exploring this idea of the importance of lyrics in music. I've never taken it very seriously. After all, one of my favorite songs from one of my favorite bands has the lyrics:
David Bowie, UB40
As pretty much the entire shebang. Singing lasts 30 seconds tops, song often clocks in well over 15 minutes. Or, more extremely, Frank Zappa. To say that his lyrics were ridiculous is to minimize things that are truly ridiculous. They were used to propel some amazing compositions, though.

And now, because of you and this thread, I have to start thinking about how lyrics really do figure into music and the artistic evaluation of music. I don't think you can just dismiss them out of hand; they are an integral part of the artform (vocal centered music only, of course).

Would 'Stairway to Heaven' be as great a song as it is without the pretentious lyrics? How about 'Street Fightin' Man'? Or 'Yesterday'?
 
Most of the time, I don't care much for lyrics either. I do focus more on the sound, like danoff do. But certain songs do become extra special depending on lyrics. Most of you know what the Beatles' "Let It Be" was about. It's often regarded the most popular Beatles song, but if it was just a song about tax collectors or street with a name like the 1 cent coin, it wouldn't have affected the listeners the same way.

Also, in certain songs(I'm thinking blur's "Song 2" here), lyrics actually do change the sound of the song. I guess I'm just trying to say that lyrics should definitely count, if you are grading a band/song. :D:tup:
 
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I combined Cream and Eric Clapton (even though they're not quite the same). In doing that, the new Cream/Clapton combo jumped into the top 10.

- Metallica jumped past Sabbath, pushing them out of the top ten.
- Elvis has been pushed onto the bubble at spot 100 by the arrival of the police at 94 and the elimination of the Guess Who.
- Rage Against the Machine and King Crimson jump 20 spots from the 80s to the 60s.
- The Doors switch places with Nirvanna at 21.
- Bob Dylan jumps 7 spots from 30 to 23.
- Alice in Chains moves from 36 to 31
- Radiohead moves from 38 to 31.
- Chuck Berry moved from 55 to 39
- Kiss, who previously wasn't in the top 100, jumped all the way to 56.

First and second place is relatively uncontended with Pink Floyd trailing Led Zepplin by over 20%. Likewise the Beatles trail Pink Floyd by a substantial amount, and Hendrix is far behind the beatles, requiring multiple 1st place votes on ballots that don't contain the Beatles at all to jump into the 3rd spot. 4th place is VERY close, and could be easily changed by just one voter. Cream/Clapton is also close to overtacking AC/DC requiring one ballot ranking them just 3 spots higher to make the difference.

The following are tied:
Iron Maiden/U2
Oasis/Radiohead (how'd that happen?)
Satriani/The Ramones
Bowie/Yes
Motorhead/ZZtop
McCartney/Soundgarden
Aerosmith/RHCP
Allman Brothers/System of a Down/Simon & Garfunkle (there's a combo)
...many more from there on, spots 92-98 all have the same number of votes.

One first place vote for Elvis could potentially move him from spot 100, to spot 53.
 
a lot of those bands on a lot of the lists arent very good, they just happen to be cult favorites. for example, The Offspring; are you kidding me? I mean i like the band and their songs but they're not the greatest. every song sounds the same.
 
Would anyone happen to like...

Skillet
Kutless
Pillar
Tobymac and/or DC Talk
Maybe even Audio Adrenaline?
Now has anyone ever heard of Disciple?
 
Is prodigy rock? Its more electcronic punkish, but some smarty linked to this topic to answer which your favorite band is...here I go...

"The Prodigy - 11 reasons for which you should like them..."

1. I've always been looking for something new and surprising in music. A lot of bands have made brilliant tracks, few of them - brilliant single albums (i.e. Santon Warriors, Kasabian or Kula Shaker) and a very few - several albums (Led Zeppelin – 4, Pink Floyd – 5, Black Sabbath – 2 etc.). However, it hasn't happened, since the times of The Beatles, to any band that all the singles/albums were so excellent and completely different (every next album of The Prodigy seems to be recorded by a different group) what reflects on unprecedented development. Having been listening to their next tracks for 10 years, I feel I keep trace of an amazing story which noone knows where does it lead to.

2. Even the most brilliant bands (Radiohead, Nirvana, Rage Against The Machine) end with time, run out and begin to copy themselves (like Rolling Stones). The Prodigy always surprises, offers new, unusual, innovative and revolutionary music. If there is someone who things that "everything has been done" he'd better listen to The Prodigy. Innovation, concerning not only sound, arrangement but their entire career, is the main feature of their acts (gigs, videos, websites, photo sessions, promotion etc.)

3. I have always claimed that the most important things in music don't happen in a range of definied music genders, but on genders' style, when they connect, merge and mutually expand. The Prodigy acts on the edge of these genders and uses heavily and creatively what is the best and the most valuable from both club music (drum'n'bass, breakbeat, trance, rave etc.) and hip hop, industrial and rock. Even from heavy metal.

4. They're the first and only group in the world that comes from club music and plays regular concerts based on the rock ones. They often play on festivals where they are all the rage for the most radical, rock audience. I saw their shows, for example after Biohazard, Smashing Pumpkins or Oasis.

5. Their shows are distinguished by incredible dynamic of sound, which is achieved by the newest kinds of electronic instruments and amplification equipment. It isn't any sort of "playback". As long as rock groups play live the same music that can be heard on the albums, sound by sound, The Prodigy's music (that, I have seen or heard so far) has an open structure, exactly like in jazz music. It may last for 3 or 15 minutes, and hyperactive showmen behave more like freestyle MCs using mics, when they consider it to be necessary, rather than vocalists who have "somethng to sing about".

6. Thanks to these features, genius, stubbornness and determination, they've managed to break out of club music ghetto and to enter (as one of a few - Fatboy Slim, The Chemical Brothers czy Massive Attack) the world mass culture on the same rules, on which act Metallica or Madonna. Although their music is still being played in clubs, their vidoes are presented in TV and songs are played on radio stations.

7. This global popularity didn't influence the change of very ambitious and noncommercial course of the band. They don't want to flatter mass authority. Their next singles are even more and more radical, raw and heavy.

8. It can be seen in visional approach towards videos. As long as the other artists treat this as the chance to reach the mass receiver, The Prodigy uses it as a separate artistic act. Those thangs, that are all illegal and most forbidden in commercial TV stations, were shown in 'Smack My ***** Up' video. Social taboo concerning nakedness, sex, alcohol, drugs, violence, commiting murders, drink-driving etc. has been broken. The band inentionally made a video, that won't be presented in order to force people to get it in their on ways and have in at homes. And it was success! Today it is one of the most famous vidoes of all times. The same move was repeated in case of 'Baby's Got A Temper' video.
9. The Prodigy has a sort of two different careers - singles career and albums one. As a band coming from club music, they pay incredible attention to the singles, which are not only "spin-offs" and a tool for promoting albums, but separate artisctic value. So far, they have released about 15 singles (depending on the way of counting). A few years ago there was released triple box with 12 singles on CD format, almost on every one there were 3 remixes, unreleased and live tracks*. It is something like seperate discography. 'Firestarter' was released over 1,5 year before 'The Fat Of The Land' so it's hard to say it was done in order to promote the album. Brillinat 'Baby's' Got A Temper' hasn't appeared on any album until the release of 'Their Law' compilation. The release of (so far) 4 albums it's a completely different story. There can be found tracks often better than the ones on EPs, better known and very often playd live, like 'Weather Experience', 'Funky ****' or 'Their Law'.

10. Everything that the band offers in their music, as well as that what is surrounded by, has cohesive, visual, non-verbal and ideological character. Albums' covers, pictures, videos, clothes, hairstyle, scenery and visuals on concerts perfectly fit to sound, atmosphere and character of their music. They are often compared to post-industrial anti-utopias, where plot is set after nuclear disaster like in movies 'Mad Max', 'Blade Runner', the latest 'Alien' or 'Matrix' as well as to cyber-punk literature, although Liam told me in an inetrview that he has never read 'Necromancer' by William Gibson.

11. Finally, the most amazing thing. Despite of their whole uncompromisingness, radicalism and innovation, everybody likes them !! They reconcile the most feuding fans of club music, they are respected by fans of hip hop (from which Liam nad Maxim started) and even by fans of pop and hardcore !! But I was impressed the most by my ex-supervisor /now there were given names of people and newspeprs, bla bla bla/, a comprehensively educated person who suddenly became a fan of The Prodigy, although before he had listened to Bach and Händl and generally baroque music, claiming that 'Mozart and Beethoven were horribly nosiy and modern !! '

There is something in this group.
 
Here's my list, the order isn't definitive but that would depend on my mood and take far too long to think about.

1 Led Zeppelin
2 Pink Floyd
3 Beatles
4 Jimi Hendrix
5 Who
6 Guns 'n Roses
7 Queen
8 AC/DC
9 Cream/Clapton
10 Black Sabbath
11 Rolling Stones
12 U2
13 Radiohead
14 Deep Purple
15 Nirvana
16 REM
17 Tears for fears
18 Oasis
19 Fleetwood mac
20 David Bowie
 
Absolutely :), that list isn't really in a definitive order though. I was at work so I had to be quicker than normal, so I just picked what I'd rate as the top 20 without worrying too much about order.
 
1. Iron Maiden
2. Metallica
3. Black Sabbath
4. Queens Ryche
5. KoRn
6. Alice in Chains
7. P.O.D.
8. Ozzy Osbourne
9. Disturbed
10. Godsmack
11. Static-X
12. Seether
13. Nirvana
14. Incubus
15. Stained
16. Papa Roach
17. Rob Zombie
18. Adema
19. Chevelle
20. Three Days Grace

Delirious XVII
Would anyone happen to like...

Skillet
Kutless
Pillar
Tobymac and/or DC Talk
Maybe even Audio Adrenaline?
Now has anyone ever heard of Disciple?

I like Kutless, Pillar, DC talk ( a little ) and Audio Adrenaline but they aren't good enough to be on my top 20 right now.
 
It's "A-Ha" not "A-Ah", and they were an '80s pop band. And Jethro Tull should be somewhere, maybe to replace U2 as #15; U2 should not be that high, as they are increibly overrated and over-hyped :indiff:
 
3-Wheel Drive
It's "A-Ha" not "A-Ah", and they were an '80s pop band.

A-Ha doesn't have any votes. A-Ah does.

DiabolicalMask

Ok, just kidding. I'll fix it.

3-Wheel
And Jethro Tull should be somewhere,

Jethro has votes, but not enough to get them in the top 100.

3-Wheel
maybe to replace U2 as #15; U2 should not be that high, as they are increibly overrated and over-hyped :indiff:

It's all about the votes. Speaking of which, if you want Jethro in the list you should put together your own top 20 and submit it.
 
1 - Tool ---------------------------\
2 - Metallica --------------------------> <<That's the Top 3, number 4 is far behind IMO.
3 - A Perfect Circle ----------------/


4 - Nirvana
5 - Chevelle
6 - U2

Though I have never really heard Led Zeppelin before, I'm downloading some stuff now.
 
Ok here it is. This was hard. I had trouble thinking of 20 bands that I thought should be in the top 20. But I did eventually, and even had to remove supertramp from the list.

1 Pink Floyd
2 Led Zepplin
3 Alice in Chains
4 Radiohead
5 Aerosmith
6 U2
7 Ian Moore
8 Queen
9 Metallica
10 Beatles
11 Guns 'n Roses
12 Van Halen
13 Megadeth
14 Soundgarden
15 Jimi Hendrix
16 Simon & Garfunkel
17 Red Hot Chilli Peppers
18 Tom Petty
19 David Bowie
20 Sheryl Crow


I don't know if Sheryl really counts as a rock band, but she's so great and it's a close call that I think she should be in there. The problem with including her is that I start thinking that Madonna should be in the list as well - but she's definitely pop, so that's a no go.

I had trouble with the placement of U2 and Ian Moore. I like both of those band so much that it's tough to not put them in the top 5... but I think this is the way it should be.

I'll rescore shortly.

This must have been before I discovered Muse. In my book, they make it to number 2 easily at this point and even challenge a bit for top rank. I think I was letting myself be influenced by others in this thread way too much. I'd have to dump Tom Petty, Megadeth, Van Halen, and possibly David Bowie from the list. I'd also move Zepplin down quite a bit and Radiohead needs a bump to number 3.

Didn't get this one right, but really my point here is that Muse has totally rocketed onto my radar and climbed the list pretty much to the top in very little time. They (he) are a once-in-a-generation type of talent.
 
1. Black Sabbath (Most influential band of the 20th century should be #1)
2. Iron Maiden (Bruce alone makes this band #2 as he is the greatest singer of all time.)
3. Led Zeppelin (Doesn't need one of these)
4. Pink Floyd (Over time I have become less and less a fan of them mainly because I don't really think they are nearly as good as many people make them out to be but many of my favorite bands are very similar and Floyd is the best known of this genre of rock)
5. Rush (Do I need to explain this?)
6. Judas Priest (Or this?)
7. Deep Purple (Or this...?)
8. Exodus (IMO, best band of the 80's AND are still around with the same sound which alone makes it a top 10)
9. Metallica (Most successful of the 80's trash but to many bad albums and
10. Slayer (I only put them behind Metallica because Tallica' are local ;) )
dumb band decisions losses its place to Exodus)
11. Megadeth (Might as well put the final piece of the 80's thrash here)
12. Alice in Chains (Not a Grudge fan at all, but AiC were very good and millions times better then anything else of the genre)
13. Pantera (I love the in your face attitude and insanely pointless riffs that pick you up and keep you going, not many bands can come close to the energy that they put out.)
14. Motorhead (Some of the best lyrics and riffs ever)
15. Tool (I had to put them here because MJK can have my babies)
16. Dream Theater (25 years of Prog perfection should get you somewhere)
17. Corrosion of Conformity (Skipping their punk stuff which I don't like, they haven't made a bad song)
18. Black Label Society (My favorite guitarist of all time, had to put them on the list)
19. Saint Vitus (31 years and helped jump start one of my favorite sub-genres of rock)
20. Trouble (See above, even the 31 years is the same)
 
This must have been before I discovered Muse.
Not that familiar with their music, but I do have couple of their tracks on my iTunes. At first, I thought they sounded too Radiohead wannabe, but I do like them now.

By the way, I'm too scared to look at my list. :lol:
 
1: Coldplay
2: Oasis
3: Muse
4: Greenday
5: Kaiser Chifes
6: Franz Ferdinand
7: Kasabian
8: Travis
9: REM
10: Pink Floyd
11: Queen
12: Maroon 5
13: Faithless
14: The Darkness/Justin Hawkins
15: U2
16: Blink 182
17: Feeder
18: Nickleback
19: Foo Fighters
20: The Verve

How things change, 5 years on and only 4 bands on this list would make it in my current top 20, Muse, Green Day, Queen and the Foo Fighters.
 
Well, I wasn't on GTP five years ago, so here's my list:

1. Rage Against the Machine
2. Muse
3. Oasis
4. Kasabian
5. Queens of the Stone Age
6. Feeder
7. Jimi Hendrix Experience
8. Ac/Dc
9. Audioslave
10. Biffy Clyro
11. Queen
12. The Who
13. Arctic Monkeys
14. Soundgarden
15. Offspring
16. The Beatles
17. Red Hot Chilli Peppers
18. Stone Roses/Ian Brown
19. The Rolling Stones
20. Fleetwood Mac

MildAshers
How things change, 5 years on and only 4 bands on this list would make it in my current top 20, Muse, Green Day, Queen and the Foo Fighters.

I imagine I would be the same, though my tastes have changed more drasticly in the last 8-10 years than five, in 2002 the top of my list would have been a nu-metal fest... Saying that, I still love my Linkin park and Limp Bizkit from time to time :D
 
Not in any particular order :

1. Blue Oyster Cult
2. Black Sabbath
3. Led Zeppelin
4. The Beatles
5. Rolling Stones
6. AC/DC
7. Fleetwood Mac
8. Van Halen (David Lee Roth years)
9. Aerosmith
10. Jimi Hendrix
11. The Who
12. Pink Floyd
13. Eric Clapton
14. Iron Maiden
15. Kiss
16. Stevie Ray Vaughn
17. Metallica
18. Rush (best trio ever , imo)
19. Judas Priest
20. Lynyrd Skynyrd
 
1. Hmm... Rush (have to do it, best drummer ever, one of the best guitarists ever, and one of the best singer/bassists ever)
2. Queen
3. Pink Floyd
4. AC/DC
5. Pearl Jam
6. The Who
7-20. Uhmm after that I can't really decide. lots of good bands to choose from.
 
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