GTP WRS-Online : Special VII - Le Mans Dream Car Enduro - Sept 9

[Hydro]

Yup I always install the rigidity improvement on my cars, it may not even be the faster set up with it installed, I just tend to tune around it. Unfortuantley I dont have the other two cars, the Ferrari looked cool so I thought i'd buy that with my 20 million credits. So yeh .. if anybody has a spare ticket / car for the Jag or Ford I'd like to try either of them.

Somebody please send him a '66 ticket so at least Twissy can try the Jag. Will be a valuable data point. A 1 in 6 chance makes it very easy to generate. I'd do it, but I have no access to PS3 for a week.

I'll see what I can do

 

[w-g-e]

That's a no Wes, you dropped out a while ago.

Ok well, it's still weird.

Oh, I forgot to add that I can only see a black screen.

 

[PASM]

I too registered with the Ferrari purely because that's the one of the three that captures my imagination the most. I've driven the Jag before (I lost my savegame about 9 months ago) and I liked it but now I have saved up 20 million I feel like buying the Ferrari the most. I'd like to try the Ford though. Still, I might not get much seat time in the following weeks so I'm not sure if I'm going to be much of a help evaluating the handling and laptime potential of both cars...

 

[WRP001]

Ok well, it's still weird.

Oh, I forgot to add that I can only see a black screen.

Wes, try holding down the ps3 button on the wheel-controller. Sometimes this will allow you to quit from a menu and better than pulling cord.

 

[w-g-e]

Wes, try holding down the ps3 button on the wheel-controller. Sometimes this will allow you to quit from a menu and better than pulling cord.

I tried that already, and I've also tried holding the power button down for a minute but the PS3 just won't react.

 

[GTPorsche]

It really is a shame that PD put the limit on the gifting/trade function because of the people exploiting it months and months ago. I hit 20 million on my non-GTP account so I decided to buy another XJ13 so I could figure out a color for it. Got the color I was looking for on my first painting.

I've driven the Ferrari in the Historic Car Cup just to give it a try, and without a setup, that thing exhibits a lot of lift-off oversteer at lower speeds. I'll probably end up choosing between the Jag and the Ford.

Edit: Just signed up for reserve, but I'm going to do my best to make every race as this is a combo I don't want to miss out on.

 

[pilmat]

It really is a shame that PD put the limit on the gifting/trade function because of the people exploiting it months and months ago. I hit 20 million on my non-GTP account so I decided to buy another XJ13 so I could figure out a color for it. Got the color I was looking for on my first painting.

I've driven the Ferrari in the Historic Car Cup just to give it a try, and without a setup, that thing exhibits a lot of lift-off oversteer at lower speeds. I'll probably end up choosing between the Jag and the Ford.

Edit: Just signed up for reserve, but I'm going to do my best to make every race as this is a combo I don't want to miss out on.

Try Praiano's tunes before writing a car off. The 330 is a real POS in stock tune, Enzo probably rolls in his grave every time somebody tries the stock car

👍 for signing up for everything. I'm in there too now, but will likely change car choice as we go along...

This is going to be epic

 

[hasslemoff]

Yup I always install the rigidity improvement on my cars, it may not even be the faster set up with it installed, I just tend to tune around it. Unfortuantley I dont have the other two cars, the Ferrari looked cool so I thought i'd buy that with my 20 million credits. So yeh .. if anybody has a spare ticket / car for the Jag or Ford I'd like to try either of them.

I too registered with the Ferrari purely because that's the one of the three that captures my imagination the most. I've driven the Jag before (I lost my savegame about 9 months ago) and I liked it but now I have saved up 20 million I feel like buying the Ferrari the most. I'd like to try the Ford though. Still, I might not get much seat time in the following weeks so I'm not sure if I'm going to be much of a help evaluating the handling and laptime potential of both cars...

Ill be able to send out 67 tickets from Sunday when I get back if anybody needs them, Im sure I could manage to send one a day next week.

I was going to choose the Ferrari been a Ferrari lover but it seems quite popular at the moment and I've not driven the Ford much.

 

[GTPorsche]

If I do end up going with the Jag, it will be the first time where I don't use green when color choice has been unrestricted.

 

[w-g-e]

If I do end up going with the Jag, it will be the first time where I don't use green when color choice has been unrestricted.

With a car that looks so nice in green (after pink)?

 

[pilmat]

Colour choices eh? Maybe we need a sign up sheet for Jag colours

I pick Metallic Orange (test car looks awesome)

 

[GTPorsche]

With a car that looks so nice in green (after pink)?

I went with a historic Jaguar racing team's color, or as close as I could get to it since the exact color doesn't exist in the game.

 

[Twissy]

Shame we cant change the colours on the Ferrari

 

[pilmat]

Shame we cant change the colours on the Ferrari

Or the Ford. You actually get a paint chip called Mark 4, so it's weird you can't paint it. Would also be cool to change numbers! But I digress...

 

[Speedy6543]

All three cars are broken in by Bob now.
Now, get a tune on them and I'll start comparing which one I'll use for the race.

 

[MilleRSVR]

Just discovered this thread.

I missed the last Enduro, don't want to miss this one.

I have my new wheel now, no more sloppy paddle shifters. 👍

I'll sign up for all the events. I'll choose the Ford to start, but really need to try all three before making a final decision.

The time change sounds really cool, racing at night should be awesome.

 

[pilmat]

Best looking car in the game though, IMNSHO (In my not so humble opinion ).

Seriously that's the only reason I'm choosing it.

Hopefully I haven't insulted the look you like in the Jag here

My Shaguar:


Too much curb?


And just shagadelic
​

 

[Twissy]

Vomit colour

 

[WRP001]

Hopefully I haven't insulted the look you like in the Jag here

My Shaguar:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pilmat/7808556032/

Too much curb?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pilmat/7808556680/

And just shagadelic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pilmat/7808556430/

Two tires on rumble is legal. It's a good question because I did not clarify in OP when I said we would follow WRS rules for that specific event.

Of course the exception is the ballards. In the time trial a lap is dirty if you hit a ballard but we can't do that here (as much as I'd love to) because ultimately (or let's be realistic, by the end of lap 1) they'll all be gone anyone and subsequent runs will be without ballards.

So 2 tires on or over track and rumbles are track. Ballards are ignored. I suggest you practice without them to get used to it.

I wish the ballards were made of the tomb stone cement the used at Monza do we could keep them out if play.

But other than the ballards issue please look at the pics on the WRS-TT event linked in the OP for clean/dirty pic examples. We are going to be quite strict for qualifying.

Note: the other issue with making ballards dirty, even for lone driver quali runs is that two perspectives can show differences. We proved this at laguna when we considered making knocking over a brake marker an infraction. Turns out the driver can see the market in its original upright position while an observer watching live sees it laying flat. Has to do with the way gt5 relays positional data over network and projects between updates. Micro lag, if you will, is constantly present and can create short bubble universes... 16 drivers = 16 different observed realities. GT5 has its own chaos theory.

Ps. In response to that car color... I've seen worse. Correction, I'm wrong, that's the worst I've ever seen.

 

[pilmat]

Two tires on rumble is legal. It's a good question because I did not clarify in OP when I said we would follow WRS rules for that specific event.

Of course the exception is the ballards. In the time trial a lap is dirty if you hit a ballard but we can't do that here (as much as I'd love to) because ultimately (or let's be realistic, by the end of lap 1) they'll all be gone anyone and subsequent runs will be without ballards.

So 2 tires on or over track and rumbles are track. Ballards are ignored. I suggest you practice without them to get used to it.

I wish the ballards were made of the tomb stone cement the used at Monza do we could keep them out if play.

But other than the ballards issue please look at the pics on the WRS-TT event linked in the OP for clean/dirty pic examples. We are going to be quite strict for qualifying.

Note: the other issue with making ballards dirty, even for lone driver quali runs is that two perspectives can show differences. We proved this at laguna when we considered making knocking over a brake marker an infraction. Turns out the driver can see the market in its original upright position while an observer watching live sees it laying flat. Has to do with the way gt5 relays positional data over network and projects between updates. Micro lag, if you will, is constantly present and can create short bubble universes... 16 drivers = 16 different observed realities. GT5 has its own chaos theory.

Ps. In response to that car color... I've seen worse. Correction, I'm wrong, that's the worst I've ever seen.

OK so hitting bollards is legal for our quali lap. Good to know! The photo was just me playing for a single lap, I thought it would make a good photo. Turns out it was more useful than playful.

The colour is a joke, as it actually looks too much like the other 2 cars! But I thought Austin might approve, Yeah Baby!

 

[WRP001]

To clarify, hitting a Ballard is NOT an infraction, even in quali due to the limitations revealed by chaos theory. Just keep two tires on track. We will ignore ballards sent into the stratosphere. Might be hard to do with these cars, but the merc could put them in orbit.

 

[zippy_the_cat]

Hopefully I haven't insulted the look you like in the Jag here

And just shagadelic
​

Isn't there a law against painting a classic Jag something other than green?

 

[Twissy]

Well just did a test of the other two cars, the jaguar for me was awful, just felt far to planted and just felt far to bogged down for some reason and I didnt personally get on with it. The Ford on the other hand was very nice to drive, very odd gear ratio's because of the 4 gears, but felt nice and planted aswell as wanting to release of the corners, plus i went 3 tenths quicker than the Ferrari 3'47.1xx and that was stock suspension and toe at 0.00 0.00. The steering was also very responsive.

 

[WRP001]

Thanks Twissy. Good to see the Ferrari and Ford so close in your hands. They were pretty close in Wes' hands so we figured that would be a good indicator.

Maybe the jag doesn't like the chassis reinforcement as much? Who knows, but I suspect we will have more jags then any other car in the race. To me it was the easiest to drive consistently (without reinforcement) and there is a lot to be said for that trait over 2+ hours.

 

[n0iZe83]

Today I tried the Jag, invested all my 20m credits.
This car is very nice to drive in stock trim, tried the Historic Cup and had a blast with it.
As Twissy said, the car is planted to the ground, very smooth and easy to drive.
Did a quick lap on La Sarthe: 3'57.xxx but with a lot of room for improvement and the car was still stock.

 

[Hydro]

Isn't there a law against painting a classic Jag something other than green?

There should be...with severe punishment
Seriously Phil, that's the ugliest car I've ever seen in GT5. You should be ashamed of what you've done

 

[pilmat]

There should be...with severe punishment
Seriously Phil, that's the ugliest car I've ever seen in GT5. You should be ashamed of what you've done

Nah, not ashamed. I think British Racing Green is as drab as British weather (lived there for 5 years...). I'm also not a Jag fan, this one looks like a Spitfire crashed into a Porsche... But that's the awesomeness of the world, taste is personal and adds a kaleidoscope of stuff Folks go nuts for TVRs and their out-there paint: not for me.

I'll see if I can freak you guys out with the reinforced car's paint!

I'm enjoying the flack, keep it coming

 

[pilmat]

We will ignore ballards sent into the stratosphere. Might be hard to do with these cars, but the merc could put them in orbit.

Orbit and stratosphere are hard with this car:

Jag Launch Machine by pilmat, on Flickr​

I did an initial run with the Jag to get a sense of Chassis Reinforcing. I will do more scientific testing, but so far it doesn't look like too much of a difference. The "feel" is a bit better with it, especially over a longer run (out lap and 5 timed lap stints here). Best time reinforced 3:52.6xx, non reinforced 3:53.3. Both tuned to Praiano's base Jag settings. The car is not 100% to my liking but more than close enough for testing purposes.

The big BUT in this is that I see I have a lot to learn about the track. When I did my first 3 little stints just to try the cars before I broke them in, I got them all down to 3:57-58. In the trial above, I went a good bit quicker, but feel there is a lot left out there. So my next task is to stabilize laps, then I can do more serious testing.

Stay tuned!

 

[MilleRSVR]

After driving all three cars I've decided on the Jag.

I tried the Ford first and didn't like it much, it felt very tail happy. Not a fan of the 4 speed either.

The Ferrari felt a bit better, after much tuning I turned a 3'53.334 with it. But the car seemed a bit twitchy, too easy to make a mistake and spin. Not what I what for a long race.

I tried the Jag last and liked it right away. Much more predictable, the car seems to have a good balance. I'm a little slower with it at this point, but only did a few laps, and it's not fully broken in yet.

I ran a few laps at night with the Ford just to check it out.

Tough to see your braking points and those oil covered rubble strips in the dark. Although I think it will be great to run at night, I foresee lots of spins if your not real careful entering and exiting certain corners. I need much more practice running at night.

Should be a great race as always.

Edit, After running more laps with the Jag, now at max. HP, I'm more than 3 seconds slower per lap. The car is easier to drive for sure, but I'm struggling to get into the 3'56s with it. Guess I need more laps and a better tune.

Ran a few more laps at night with the Jag, finally broke the 4 minute mark. I guess night driving isn't my strong suit. The fireworks are really cool though!!

 

[Michouw]

Hi, I just sent my WRS qualifier Submission to Vaxen and i'm now waiting to know which is my division .
I already sent FR to the GTP lounges.
hope to have fun race in this 3D3 event.