GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 11 : NASCAR - WRS Style

[Captain Roh]

I was wondering if I could get one of the resident Aliens to prove my hypothesis about the 700hp to traction coefficient. I?m picking up a dropoff from that point in wide open usability of the tires as the hp goes up from there.

Could I get one of you to set your car to 700hp and run some laps to find out of the car goes faster in the interior of the track, mostly T2 and T3? T1 still has residue from the high HP MPH going into the first turn and would add deviation to the formula.

When I can determine where the HP benefit departs due to overtorquing the traction coefficient of the tires I can the find my tuning threshold. Thankzzzz

I'd be interested in any results that come from this..

I had a quick play with this combo on my main account (GTP at lvl 20 and counting ) and I tried the Lefty shuffle. 500bhp going up in increments of 100bhp every time I made over a second on my previous lap. I have to say that I tried this method as a tuning tool, but I dont see any reason to change the NASCAR from stock. It fits my style like a glove!

Anyway, and somewhat unfortunately, I'm of the impression now that no matter how much time you make in the infield (@700) , those 200 horses will obliterate you in the straightaways.

Personally I too got to 700bhp and had just arrived at a point where I was thinking about changing gear ratios to aid traction. Although for such a high revving engine I'm quite surprised at how much torque it has! From here on in I may have to think about LSD settings as well. Although I really dont understand it

However I go about finding traction though, I know 900 horses are needed to be competitive here. If you check the data logger you'll see just how long the throttle is wide open on the lap!

I have no idea how you might approach this situation from here Lefty, but I sure would be interested to know once you figure it out buddy 👍

 

[Akmuq]

Any splits Roh?

 

[Vagabond]

Up to 880hp so far...

Using my own setup:

Rigidity improvement - it may just be a placebo but my perception is it helps with turn in stability at high speed, so there is a benefit for turns 1 and 4 (in my head )
Aero 50/70
Transmission - Stock ratios, max speed 217mph
LSD 10/50/16
Ride height -25/-25
Springs 12.5/10.6
Dampers (ext+comp) 6/6 6/6
Anti-roll 6/6
Camber 0.9/0.7
Toe -0.07/0.07

Brake balance 6/9
ABS 1
TCS 0

T1: 22.451
T2: 21.178
T2: 17.982

Seen faster in every sector, just not in the same lap yet... T1 of 22.2xx is possible, T2 is my weakest sector, seen one T3 of 17.7xx... I'm still quite clumsy with my corner entries but my G25 is ailing badly and rattles during weight transfer so precision is difficult - my new Fanatec GT3 (woohoo! ) won't arrive 'til next week so I'll have to just do the best I can for now.

No-one taking the weekend off to watch the Royal weeding wedding then? Supping a bottle of patriotic Kiss-me-Kate beer (sheep piss with a Union jack label)(its real, I jest you not) whilst munching from a tin of Fox's Royal Wedding biscuits... or maybe sipping tea from your best china Royal Wedding mug...? ...Before taking time out to re-enact the ceremony with your authentic Royal Wedding edition dolls.

What recession?

Back to WRS... Lefty, I tried using the HP limiter and basically it just makes the car too slow in my opinion, with very little in tractive benefit that a soft throttle touch can't do better.

 

[Akmuq]

Is there something wrong with my signature that the leaderboard doesn't have a wheel beside my name?

 

[Captain Roh]

Any splits Roh?

Not yet mate. I haven't had a proper attack at it since I'm having to use my non GTP account. Should have some for you tomorrow though hopefully

PS: I dont even see a signature!?

 

[DDiamond]

Up to 880hp so far...

Using my own setup:

Rigidity improvement - it may just be a placebo but my perception is it helps with turn in stability at high speed, so there is a benefit for turns 1 and 4 (in my head )
Aero 50/70
Transmission - Stock ratios, max speed 217mph
LSD 10/50/16
Ride height -25/-25
Springs 12.5/10.6
Dampers (ext+comp) 6/6 6/6
Anti-roll 6/6
Camber 0.9/0.7
Toe -0.07/0.07

Brake balance 6/9
ABS 1
TCS 0

T1: 22.451
T2: 21.178
T2: 17.982

Seen faster in every sector, just not in the same lap yet... T1 of 22.2xx is possible, T2 is my weakest sector, seen one T3 of 17.7xx... I'm still quite clumsy with my corner entries but my G25 is ailing badly and rattles during weight transfer so precision is difficult - my new Fanatec GT3 (woohoo! ) won't arrive 'til next week so I'll have to just do the best I can for now.

No-one taking the weekend off to watch the Royal weeding wedding then? Supping a bottle of patriotic Kiss-me-Kate beer (sheep piss with a Union jack label)(its real, I jest you not) whilst munching from a tin of Fox's Royal Wedding biscuits... or maybe sipping tea from your best china Royal Wedding mug...? ...Before taking time out to re-enact the ceremony with your authentic Royal Wedding edition dolls.

What recession?

Back to WRS... Lefty, I tried using the HP limiter and basically it just makes the car too slow in my opinion, with very little in tractive benefit that a soft throttle touch can't do better.

One hot lady....but watching the slobbering..............NOT!............but will be checking out your tune! 👍

 

[LeftyWright69]

700hp
T1: 23.094
T2: 21.650
T3: 18.422

I took my Voltimort NASCAR test car and suited up “eclipsee’s” setup for evaluation @ the 700hp level. The balance of the car is noticeably more nimble and takes the reins well, I thought that it was a little tail happy at first. After I used a calming potion on it I was able to set the car going in and it really did leave well, out of the turns. I passed my Max power ghost before the end of T1 and didn’t lose the lead until just before the finish. Thanks “eclipsee” for the magic and a great staring point to go off from

T1: 23.221
T2: 21.755
T3: 18.049

Now on to 750

 

[Akmuq]

Not yet mate. I haven't had a proper attack at it since I'm having to use my non GTP account. Should have some for you tomorrow though hopefully

PS: I dont even see a signature!?

Hmmm..... Turns out the 'Show your signature' box was unticked. Must have done that by accident.

 

[CSLACR]

22.881 21.057 18.039 61 .977 gained .2 at the line. stiff setup now trying eclipsee tune

 

[LeftyWright69]

700hp
T1: 23.221
T2: 21.755
T3: 18.049

Ol Valdamort really likes this setup and the 50 extra Hp, I just hope it will transfer well to its legal counterpart. That was so far, my fastest OT as well. Ol Maxy almost caught me at the end though

750Hp
T1: 23.206
T2: 21.448
T3: 18.240
@ “eclipsee” 👍

Time to build me a new Maxy

 

[osrg]

Hi all, first run back in nearly 5 weeks due to a nightmare life outside these GTP walls....

After an hour or so of cursing my rusty skills, i knuckled down and after 90mins this is all i can offer this week unfortunately...... a busy weekend coming up. T3 to the line probably isn't 100%....... but it'll do.

T1: 22.370
T2: 20.928
T3: 17.738

Submitted.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

...a busy weekend coming up.

Best man or usher?

 

[redreevos]

Well, I decided to change things up for the sake of change. I made up my own mix of Chuk's and Eclipsee's tunes. Bear in mind, that I understand very, very little about tuning. No real testing, just a mixing of numbers. For what its worth, here it is:

Ride Height (mm) .. : -30MM/-27MM
Spring Rate ....... : 17.5/10.6
Damper (compression): 7/5
Damper (rebound) .. : 7/5
Anti Roll Bars .... : 4/3
Camber Angle (-) .. : 1/.5
Toe (OUT/IN) ...... : +0.1/0.05
Brake Balance ..... : 5/8
F/R Torque Distrib. : --/--
LSD ............... : 20/50/10 (I think, didn't write this one down)
Active Steering ... : Strong
Traction Control .. : OFF
ABS ............... : 1

T1: 22.404
T2: 20.783
T3: 17.832

For some reason I can't seem to find the 17.7xx I had right away this week. I have seen 22.3 in T1 as well. I did not do this lap justice with my final run to the finish.. Looks like I have some more work to do. I am getting closer though. Still have no idea how to go much faster than 22.3 in T1

 

[osrg]

Best man or usher?

Kate's secret lover

 

[osrg]

Insane splits for D2

Thats a mind bending T2........ how many hours put in juggling settings and laps RR?

I made up my own mix of Chuk's and Eclipsee's tunes. Bear in mind, that I understand very, very little about tuning. No real testing, just a mixing of numbers.

Whatever you did, you found over 0.25....... so it worked.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Kate's secret lover

Good work young Jedi 👍

@redreevos - what effect does the active steering bring, or in other words, how does it help?

 

[redreevos]

Sorry guys, I am not going to have many answers for you here. I have run this combo for around 4 hours now.(I think) That is split between multiple days. I used the stock setting for about 15 minutes on the first day.. That pretty much sucked. Then I switched to Chuk's tune, and wow, night and day difference.

When I jumped in for some laps today, it had been over 24 hours since my last laps. I ran for about 20 minutes with Chuk's tune, and just felt disjointed today. I had a fresh chassis too, and I think the car actually runs a bit worse this way. I decided to get "crazy" and switch the tune up. I really didn't give Eclipsee's tune by itself a fair shot.. I just grabbed bits and pieces from each, and slapped them together. A true Frankenstein project.. Some numbers were exactly as they had them, and some were somewhere in between.

I also added Active Steering Strong as per Eclipsee's suggestions. From there, I ran laps with no further adjustments. As the chassis began to wear, i found my times improve. It could have been me improving my lines, but I blame the chassis

I am not too sure how to explain the Active Steering. I will do my best. The first place I experimented with it was in the GT Academy round 3. I found that a few(2 of the top 10) had Active Steering on strong so I tried it. I found that my lines would become a bit more precise with it on. Because of my precise lines, I would find a .1 or .2, and then hit a wall. I would then switch Active Steering off, the car would feel a bit "looser." But I would find, that now, I could find another .1 or .2. I just played this game back and forth. I would gain some more precise lines with AS on, and gain a bit more speed with it off. Sorry, I don't have a better technical explanation. I assume it helps by turning the rear tires a bit for you, to keep the tail from getting too out of line.

Aren't you glad you asked me these questions now..

I would be happy to make a vid of my T2 if that is allowable. It will be a crappy Cell phone video, but its something... Probably better then I can explain my lines, or how I got there.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Thanks for the explanation on the steering - don't worry about the vid but I appreciate the offer. I guess I'll try it myself and see what happens.

Thanks again

 

[LeftyWright69]

750Hp
T1: 23.206
T2: 21.448
T3: 18.240

Eclipsee’s setup just keeps asking for more, after running his setup at the 750 level I turned the dial a little more to the 800 level and well, you know when you get that feeling that you just stumbled on to something that is just amazing. I just knocked .5 off my shows and 1 sec off my OT, I am just blown away …….

800hp
T1: 22.804
T2: 21.462
T3: 18.077
Finally caught the pack and I still have another 90+ Hp to add

 

[redreevos]

Finally caught the pack and I still have another 90+ Hp to add

Congrats Lefty! I knew you would get there.

Well, I thought I was done for the night after my last post. I grabbed a bite to eat.. and then got the itch to sit down one more time. 10 minutes in I came up with something better than my current time.

previous:
T1: 22.404
T2: 20.783
T3: 17.832

new:
T1: 22.376
T2: 20.906
T3: 17.662

So a slower T2, but the overall time at the end of T3 is very similar. This time, I made a much better run to the line.

On a side note, this is with a fresh chassis rebuild.. so there went my theory of a slightly worn chassis being better. I haven't tried with the AS turned off yet. Will give that a go tomorrow, to see if I can find a few extra tenths.

Thanks for the explanation on the steering - don't worry about the vid but I appreciate the offer. I guess I'll try it myself and see what happens.

Thanks again

No problem. I am now just realizing I would have been in big trouble if I had shared the video. Even if it is ok to post a video of the early sectors, I would have given away which NASCAR I am driving.

 

[CSLACR]

22.612 21.129 18.085 61.826 Good sectors for me, but I can gain in each. Eclipsi tune top speed 214. I find eclipsi's much better than chuks, no offense.

 

[osrg]

So, the wife granted me a 30min session this afternoon before we set off this evening for a few days away.... as for the lap, try as i may, the run from T1 -T2 has me bamboozled.

T1: 22.244
T2: 20.964
T3: 17.708

....followed by an ordinary run to the line, but 0.15 up on previous.

Redreevos, congrats on your splits, they are outstanding for D2. Just outstanding. I don't think i'll have enough from T3 to the line to hold you out i'm afraid.

 

[redreevos]

Redreevos, congrats on your splits, they are outstanding for D2. Just outstanding. I don't think i'll have enough from T3 to the line to hold you out i'm afraid.

Thank you OSRG for the kind words.

I still have no idea how you DIV1 guys are going so low in T1. I don't know where you guys are gaining that extra .1 or .2.

Hope you have a great trip with your wife,

Rees

 

[A7XMaverick]

first splits

22.372
20.987
17.747

 

[redreevos]

first splits

22.372
20.987
17.747

I figured it was coming. Nice splits A7X!

 

[Carlos Fandango]

So, the wife granted me a 30min session this afternoon before we set off this evening for a few days away....

Thats what William said



I'll get my coat...

 

[Stotty]

Regarding active steering...

I don't think it affects the grip levels or the overall handling of the car. What it does as far as I can tell is smooth out the worst of your steering inputs... which just makes the car feel a little more stable.

Lefty... I'm not an alien like Ramon and Zoky, but I'd be happy to run a few laps at 700bhp and see how it feels.

 

[Sureboss]

I'm finding Active Steering helps with the exit of the last real corner and makes it a lot easier to put down the power.

Spent some time with Ramon's tune earlier. It feels better, but I can't actually use it properly with my car, so going to be running a different one (hopefully both of the other ones) over the weekend.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Thanks guys - if you're seeing a benefit with a G27 then I'm sure to see some with my 200 degrees of loveliness that is the original Logitech Driving Force. Will give it a try as I am now (drum roll please) level 21 on my GTP account!

 

[Usual Suspect]

After another session, its oficial, can´t understand the lines in T2, just driving and drifting at best at 21.3xx and can´t see how to get below, not even a tenth.

Might bee a side effect of the promotion

Can anybody give some hints