GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 15 : Running Full Stop in Reverse - FIRST POST UPDATED

[Paulie]

Fantastic splits, is this using DHolland's new tune, or just his gears 👍

Entirely my own tune, nothing is borrowed from anyone except the fact there's not many different ways around spring rates and roll bars for this one. Mega props to Dan of course, he pulled out that entire 2 tenths in T2 alone, I'd love to get some tips from him. I suppose it could be his 3rd gear is just the perfect ratio for the left hander in T2, and maybe his 4th is perfect for the double right hander. That and some driving magic I'm sure. Errgh, I want to know what the difference is! Tomorrow is all about practising for a league race though. Looks like I'll have Monday to give it all another look.

 

[GTP_Plato]

Entirely my own tune, nothing is borrowed from anyone except the fact there's not many different ways around spring rates and roll bars for this one. Mega props to Dan of course, he pulled out that entire 2 tenths in T2 alone, I'd love to get some tips from him. I suppose it could be his 3rd gear is just the perfect ratio for the left hander in T2, and maybe his 4th is perfect for the double right hander. That and some driving magic I'm sure. Errgh, I want to know what the difference is! Tomorrow is all about practising for a league race though.

I think the time for T2 is all about the sharp left after the double right hander, maybe he is going into that corner in 2nd and short shifting into 3rd. I hold 88mph through the double right and don't think the car can go much quicker than that through there, thats what makes me think the time is in the sharp left. Who knows if there is a secret to that corner Dan might share it with us

 

[Paulie]

I think the time for T2 is all about the sharp left after the double right hander, maybe he is going into that corner in 2nd and short shifting into 3rd. I hold 88mph through the double right and don't think the car can go much quicker than that through there, thats what makes me think the time is in the sharp left. Who knows if there is a secret to that corner Dan might share it with us

I'm wondering, since I used 2nd gear there myself, if maybe his 3rd gear is much shorter than mine making it just the right length to take slower corners without wheelspin.

 

[GTP_Plato]

I'm wondering, since I used 2nd gear there myself, if maybe his 3rd gear is much shorter than mine making it just the right length to take slower corners without wheelspin.

I have always gone into that turn in 3rd, then short shift to 4th for traction. Maybe this is the mystery, seeing as though we seem to be doing it differently. Maybe you should try his gears to see if you have better traction through there 👍

 

[Paulie]

Yeah on Monday I might give them a go if I can find them any more.

 

[MarkWebber]

The double right I maintained a speed no less than 142.5km/h, came within a couple of mm from catching the grass on the left as I moderated the throttle at about 80 percent ish throughout, couple of fluctuations as I tried to spot the right kink, took this right left kink at min 144km/h, by far best pass I had made through there, and for the left, I stay in 3rd, braking down to about 100km/h, then gliding mid apex down to 94kph/93, spot the apex and accelerate out trying to avoid wheel spin at all cost by being careful with steering inputs, my gear 3 was tuned pretty good because I didn't have to worry too much about wheel spin at this corner and the last corner. I would place an 85 percent importance on the double right component in terms of achieving a good run through T2, the left hander is almost a breather corner as not too much can go wrong unless you fluff the exit.

 

[Paulie]

I'd need to have a look at my apex speeds, and definitely at least give your gears a go.

 

[GTP_Plato]

The double right I maintained a speed no less than 142.5km/h, came within a couple of mm from catching the grass on the left as I moderated the throttle at about 80 percent ish throughout, couple of fluctuations as I tried to spot the right kink, took this right left kink at min 144km/h, by far best pass I had made through there, and for the left, I stay in 3rd, braking down to about 100km/h, then gliding mid apex down to 94kph/93, spot the apex and accelerate out trying to avoid wheel spin at all cost by being careful with steering inputs, my gear 3 was tuned pretty good because I didn't have to worry too much about wheel spin at this corner and the last corner. I would place an 85 percent importance on the double right component in terms of achieving a good run through T2, the left hander is almost a breather corner as not too much can go wrong unless you fluff the exit.

Thanks for the advice but you could of put it simpler by saying... I am rubbish

 

[poolhaas]

Thanks for sharing your gear ratios MarkWebber, it helped alot since I don't know anything about that.

23.009
29.094

Now to get that T1 back in the 22's.

 

[Lynx-Can]

It's NOT! Fair.

That first corner. I managed a .7 once and I can't remember how I did it.

I think I have T2 sorted so if I can speed T1 up my T2 will speed up also.

The Mrs is in London boozing it up until Monday. I'm saving for Ibiza so the whole weekend is mine

Just have to resist alcohol and the lure of the pub.

 

[yanaran]

Seeing very little variation in T1 and T2 but so far cut almost .25 at the line from my best posted splits. Not sure what to do about T1 as I seem stuck at 22.8xx.

T1: 22.876
T2: 28.753

T1: 22.792
T2: 28.583

If you haven't already, get chassis reinforcement. I feel like a moron right now for driving almost 1000km without it and now I beat my old best every 2-3 laps.

 

[bojangles]

Latest splits
23.228
29.112

Poolhaas and Gravitron are out of reach, podium finish is looking less likely for me at the moment. I'll give it another go on Monday.

 

[DDiamond]

Latest splits

Poolhaas and Gravitron are out of reach, podium finish is looking less likely for me at the moment. I'll give it another go on Monday.

Don't look for me to catch up!

[Tells self; self, check hp often...check hp often...check hp often...check hp often...check hp often...]#$$#@@$%^&&^%$#@#!!!!!

 

[Gravitron]

I don't know, guys. There's a few places where I surprised myself and gained a tenth or two, even with small changes to my line or gears. T3 is one of those places, so the leaderboard doesn't tell the whole story.

On turn 2 in T1 (into the tunnel), I started going all the way down to 4th gear (EDK's original gears, not his newer set) and used a bit more brake prior, and that's what finally got me down under 23.000.

I'll have another session tonight, but that might be all the time I have.
Probably spent 7hrs on this so far. Just got to max HP (283 I think) on Fri night.

 

[chukabilly]

Off topic: Chuk's refined? Well pardon me, sir. Do you have any Grey Poupon?

Of course, when I lived down South, we pronounced it "Grey Poopin!"

Back on topic, new splits. Slow on the first sector, but then pick up the pace rather nicely.

T1: 22.798
T2: 28.692

Two more days to go, and I want two more tenths. I don't care which sector it comes from, I just want more time!! (Although I guess it's more accurate to say I want LESS time!! )

Racing On!!!

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Going great Chuk 👍 I have NOTHING for you this week.

I tried Dan's tune but I can't maintain corner speed in a couple of critical places to make his gearbox work.

Will try Chux Choon next, but it won't be until Monday, by which time I supect you'll be a quarter of a second down the road...

Nice driving buddy

 

[chukabilly]

Carlos!! I did use Dan's brake bias. It's now 6/5.

 

[poolhaas]

Really liking this combo

22.813
29.218

1 more go tomorrow, try and get a few more thousands

 

[DDiamond]

T1: 23.239
T2: 29.528

Drop down on the boards, but a better T1 and MPB T3; slight drop in T2, but overall, a gain!!

Hope to have more time tomorrow and Monday.

Where is Tim this week.......uh, oh........a sleeper in D4?

 

[CSLACR]

Seeing very little variation in T1 and T2 but so far cut almost .25 at the line from my best posted splits. Not sure what to do about T1 as I seem stuck at 22.8xx.

T1: 22.876
T2: 28.753

T1: 22.792
T2: 28.583

If you haven't already, get chassis reinforcement. I feel like a moron right now for driving almost 1000km without it and now I beat my old best every 2-3 laps.

I went out of my way to get a car without it, though I'm going to give it another shot with "my" tune.

I couldn't make much of Dan's tune, I like a slightly longer 3rd, 4th, and 5th gear, about 2mph for 3 & 4, and 3mph for 5th. I also found minor toe adjustments seemed to help, still unsure that the 25 rear D/F setting I was running isn't sufficient.
I'll probably make a rig between "my" setup and his.
DF - 15-25
LSD 7-20-10
Gears - Probably Dan's with .050-.100 longer final drive, quickening 6th ratio to make top speed 154mph (249 I think)

45 - 20
15.5 - 3.1
10 - 3
9 - 2
7 - 2
2.0 - 0.8
-.05 -.05


I noticed something simply hilarious last night - The car has a substantially lower rear than the front. 💡
So apparently PD did in fact not reverse the front/rear values, they just reversed the effects of proper tuning.
I really don't understand how a company as successful as PD can make something as brilliant as GT5's brilliant portion, meanwhile have other areas of the game complete hack-jobs.

 

[Apollo33]

I noticed something simply hilarious last night - The car has a substantially lower rear than the front. 💡
So apparently PD did in fact not reverse the front/rear values, they just reversed the effects of proper tuning.
I really don't understand how a company as successful as PD can make something as brilliant as GT5's brilliant portion, meanwhile have other areas of the game complete hack-jobs.

I've been wondering about all these 45/20's. Isn't that the definition of "the suspension cheat"—max front, minimum rear?

Edit: Or you're saying visually it appears as +45/-20, but the physics is calculating it as -45/+20 (or -20/+45 ? I'm getting confused), so it's been deemed okay?

 

[yanaran]

I went out of my way to get a car without it, though I'm going to give it another shot with "my" tune.

I couldn't make much of Dan's tune, I like a slightly longer 3rd, 4th, and 5th gear, about 2mph for 3 & 4, and 3mph for 5th. I also found minor toe adjustments seemed to help, still unsure that the 25 rear D/F setting I was running isn't sufficient.
I'll probably make a rig between "my" setup and his.
DF - 15-25
LSD 7-20-10
Gears - Probably Dan's with .050-.100 longer final drive, quickening 6th ratio to make top spee 154mph (249 I think)

To me the car felt more planted and stable coming out of the turns with the upgrade. My apex speed was no different but I was consistently getting better splits so I think it helped the most with corner exits.

I'm useless at tuning so I'm just trying what others post here (very grateful for that btw). My latest split was with Dan's tune and 8/25/10 LSD. I agree with you about the 5th gear, I think there's a few hundredths to be gained going up T1 since the peak power is at 8900 and I spent most of the climb at 9000+. Maybe 4-5 kph longer?

3rd is perfect for me though, just the right rpm for accelerating from 95kph with slight steering lock (last turn in T2 and T3), and 4th sits about right for exiting the double right in T2.

 

[CSLACR]

I've been wondering about all these 45/20's. Isn't that the definition of "the suspension cheat"—max front, minimum rear?

Edit: Or you're saying visually it appears as +45/-20, but the physics is calculating it as -45/+20 (or -20/+45 ? I'm getting confused), so it's been deemed okay?

It's visually correct.
The problem is in real life, stiffening the rear end to a very high rate creates over-steer, (back end sliding out) whereas in GT5, you have to stiffen the "front" settings and soften the rear. A realistic setting would be more like:
-20 / 0
3.7 / 5.5
5 / 6
3 / 4
3 / 3
And a realistic extreme like we're using would be to simply reverse the left side of the settings being used.

It is a bug/glitch, but doesn't grant an unfair advantage, it's more of an inconvenience than anything.

To me the car felt more planted and stable coming out of the turns with the upgrade. My apex speed was no different but I was consistently getting better splits so I think it helped the most with corner exits.

I'm useless at tuning so I'm just trying what others post here (very grateful for that btw). My latest split was with Dan's tune and 8/25/10 LSD. I agree with you about the 5th gear, I think there's a few hundredths to be gained going up T1 since the peak power is at 8900 and I spent most of the climb at 9000+. Maybe 4-5 kph longer?

3rd is perfect for me though, just the right rpm for accelerating from 95kph with slight steering lock (last turn in T2 and T3), and 4th sits about right for exiting the double right in T2.

Well everyone likes different things, I don't know that my settings are the "best" but I find stiffening the "front" a little balances the car for more reliability/consistency, so maybe instead of a 22.4/28.4 being possible, it's a half a tenth slower, but easier to achieve.
I keep in mind DHolland is nothing short of a Gran Turismo legend - So he's going to run faster either way, But that doesn't mean his setup is best.

 

[Mr_ANDERSON]

T1: 22.798
T2: 28.692

Great splits Chuk. Keep 'em coming 👍

Over the past week, I have had to revise my target time by at least 3x. I thought it was there when I started, but as I got quicker, I realized that it was there, not there, as first thought Now I come to the fact that it is actually there , where I need to be Just need at least .150 to get there

 

[pyxen]

T1: 23.831
T2: 29.986

Obviously still a LONG way to go! Hope I can make a push...

 

[pyxen]

Holy ****! I just installed mark's tune with a bit of (I think) vagabond's and took 1.5sec off my PB! Game on!!

Edit: sorry for the dbl post!

T1: 23.549
T2: 29.484

Edit 2: Sorry EDK.

 

[Vagabond]

Still using my setup but adjusted the following:

LSD:
5/22/7

Aero:
15/30

Camber:
2.0/1.0 (Thanks Dan - couldn't decide on camber but this works well 👍)
Toe:
0/0

T1: 22.632
T2: 28.728

Started dipping into the 22.5's in T1 now but still struggling to make progress in T2 beyond 28.7's. T3 pretty much stable I think so I'm close to a submission time.

I hate this car with a fierce passion now... but can't stop.

 

[GTP_Plato]

Slightly slower splits but a tenth faster at the line

T1 22.734
T2 28.605

Thats me for the night, have another shot tomorrow as I don't like leaving time I have previously had left on the track

 

[MarkWebber]

Thanks Dan - couldn't decide on camber but this works well 👍

Can't go wrong with the standard GT4 camber setting:tup:

Glad some of you used bits of my tune, btw I never installed the chassis reinforcement but I will and see If it helps at all.

 

[MadMax]

First splits with full power.

22.860
28.976



MadMax