GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 23 : HKS HSR Time Attack

[Carlos Fandango]

Chris, don't panic - I set that time before I'd figured out T3 otherwise it would have been a great lap. Have already gone half a second quicker at the line, but it's a bit messy in T1. Will hopefully get a couple of hours at it tomorrow night and clean it all up. Glad to be back in the hunt after a couple of lean weeks

 

[Lynx-Can]

First 15 laps.

T1: 27.304
T2: 19.679

Happy with T2. I cant seem to get anything under .300 at T1

 

[BloodiMayhem]

T1: 27.424
T2: 19.898
New splits!
Starting to find my lines now.
Might squeeze a few more tenths if I'm lucky!
Cheers All !!!

 

[crazytortise]

No splits.

You post your splits here in the thread and the fetchbot picks them up automatically.

Same way you see everyone else doing it in here.

Excuse us Africans. We not the brightest light bulbs in the box Nah, only kidding. Nice to see you back Kev 👍

 

[EDK]

Excuse us Africans. We not the brightest light bulbs in the box Nah, only kidding. Nice to see you back Kev 👍

Your brother, then?

Didn't think I was the one who had been gone, so I guess welcome back to you as well.

 

[crazytortise]

Your brother, then?

Didn't think I was the one who had been gone, so I guess welcome back to you as well.

Not my brother but a family friend

I'll try get in some laps this week. My skills are rusty at the moment

 

[Denur]

Better T1 and T2, but exactly the same time at the finish line as my previous post.

I'm beating my old T1 all the time (staying low in corner one and high in corner 2 does help), but am unable (so far) to get even close to my best final sector.

26.928
19.594

 

[Hydro]

Well done Hydro - I've won and lost positions on results day by less than that!

Wk8 - Peter (Sidplayos2) beat me by 0.002
Wk9 - I beat Phillip (Eriba) by 0.003 (the one and only time I think )
Wk11 - Barra beat me by 0.004

Every little bit counts

Nice!
It helps that my best lap improved by over.700 with that lap (otherwise I may not have bothered posting it). T3 is going to make this week Very interesting.
From the Asparadrink week I have three replays that end in .566, .567, .568!
Makes me feel like a Formula one driver (a div3, kinda slow one:tup: Jarno Trulli perhaps?)

 

[teecro]

Got a first chance to take a crack at this.
The S corners for me are hit or miss.
I'm still trying to figure out how to take those.

First splits from a 30 lap session...
T1: 27.239
T2: 19.745

 

[Lynx-Can]

Got a first chance to take a crack at this.
The S corners for me are hit or miss.
I'm still trying to figure out how to take those.

First splits from a 30 lap session...
T1: 27.239
T2: 19.745

EDK offers some great advice for the ''S Corners'' on page six.

I'm feeling pretty good in that area of the track, ^^

I just can't get to grips with T1 and that stupid corner.

 

[teecro]

EDK offers some great advice for the ''S Corners'' on page six.

I'm feeling pretty good in that area of the track, ^^

I just can't get to grips with T1 and that stupid corner.

Thank you for that tip.👍
I've been quite busy so I haven't had the time to go through the thread yet.

 

[CSLACR]

Spot on Phillip - another lap-time killer 3rd Sector. Exit speed from T2 counts there as well.



Yep... what happened to Replay Theatre option being in the Main Menu? Some very odd omissions in GT5...

Anyway, stop creeping up behind me Jon, you're making me paranoid.

Nice T2 by the way Dominic 👍

Thanks. 👍
It seems repetition helps this week a lot, it seems easier or more fun this week to run lap after lap, maybe a little of both?
I've caught myself as high as lap 22 without noticing, it's just hard to say when to stop.

Maybe if I pick at this scab hard enough for long enough....

Keep pickin. 👍

 

[Vagabond]

Chris, don't panic

Great advice in any event Jon lad! 👍 In large friendly letters.

Baby steps in time gain:

26.771
19.655

...it's just hard to say when to stop.

Heh... My cue for a restart: "Next Lap Invalidated"

I just can't get to grips with T1 and that stupid corner.

I'll throw a bone in... here's my 1st sector - may help a bit

 

[DDiamond]

T1: 27.510
T2: 20.175

Thanks to Chris! Saw it on the Tube! Turn 2 setup the Ses.

And Kevin, the lap tips RE: the S'es worked, except I entered too fast.

Turn 2 set up the S'es which setup T3, where I clipped a big chunk there.

For a fellow who, prior to GT5, had never touched a GT game, the learning curve does not seem to be lessening as much as I want it to. But we still be hanging in there!

 

[DigitalBaka]

T1: 27.615
T2: 19.938

Only marginal improvement in the first sectors from my previous best but down over .9 at the line. Happy with my lines through 1 and 3 but 2 is still a work in progress. Gonna give Kevin's theory a go on the next run.

 

[Gravitron]

DB, I see you're using a DS3, and I was getting similar times last night with my DS3. Chris' vid makes it pretty obvious that a wheel may be needed to take the optimum line through turn 2 (staying so close to the outside wall), and I presume the same is true for the last turn...
Matt (millross) is the resident DS3 expert, and even he's come to that same conclusion.

Thanks Chris!

 

[jack5428]

Well until recently I never thought a wheel was faster...I mean Ive placed top ten in seasonal events twice running clean. The last one was at HSR, but I could tune. Only at Indy did I realise wheels can turn more than a DS3 can.


BUT....my best T2 looks excactly like the one on Vagabonds Vid but 2 tenths slower. I know I can get another 2 tenths. Its more how you brake and getting that lucky freaking bounce off the rumble not how tight you can turn at all. I didnt expect to turn so well so I didnt get on the throttle soon enough is all and I had plenty of steering left and I let the car go wide but I didnt have to go wide I had plenty of steering left to turn harder.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

I think the issues with running a DS3, and to a lesser extent the older wheels with less rotation, is obtaining the accuracy to run close to a wall. There is also a less evident issue of generating too much steering lock because you don't have the resolution that a 900deg wheel has. This scrubs speed through a turn which might help you keep on line, but it will hurt your exit speed and subsequently your speed down the next straight an into the following corner - a big issue here for T1. The same issues of resolution affect throttle and brake application, but that may be less evident at HSR apart from in the middle of T2 perhaps.

Note full lock with a DS3 produces the same steering angle on the vehicle as full lock with a wheel (either 200deg, 900deg or 1080deg)

That said, there are some desperately fast DS3 drivers out there, and if you've placed in the top 10 in Seasonal TT then you are likely one of them. Some of the others are here (Millross, Wayna, Barra, Spud_skills and so on to name a few in D1 and D2) so they would be your measure of speed in the WRS.

Hope that makes sense and if I've inadvertently insulted anyone, then it wasn't my intention (obviously) 👍

 

[mcfizzle]

New times but split was the same as previous best. That resulted in 1 tenth better at the line but no movement on the board. I feel like I am close to dropping a couple more tenths, working on some line issues at the moment.

T1: 26.965
T2:19.652

 

[LeftyWright69]

Now that I got my DIRT 3 fix I can focus on the Speed Ring and try to battle out of the D3 log jam and push into the D2 pack.

 

[Vagabond]

Step 1-2-3, step 1-2-3, and twirl....

26.763
19.558

3rd sector 0.1 down from my best so I'll probably spend the rest of the week looking for that. Pretty happy with the lap on the whole so I've got my banker. Got Jon off my back bumper too

For a fellow who, prior to GT5, had never touched a GT game, the learning curve does not seem to be lessening as much as I want it to. But we still be hanging in there!

Got to admire your dedication and enthusiasm, Dan. 👍 Keep expecting a sudden leap in lap-times from you.... soon... one day soon.

Its more how you brake and getting that lucky freaking bounce off the rumble not how tight you can turn at all.

It's a combination of factors.. entry speed, gentle trail braking, smooth steering inputs, using the curb to maintain speed mid-corner, mashing the throttle for max exit speed. Luck is not a factor and neither is maximum steering angle.

Nice splits there by the way McFizzle 👍

 

[CSLACR]

T1: 27.510
T2: 20.175

Thanks to Chris! Saw it on the Tube! Turn 2 setup the Ses.

And Kevin, the lap tips RE: the S'es worked, except I entered too fast.

Turn 2 set up the S'es which setup T3, where I clipped a big chunk there.

For a fellow who, prior to GT5, had never touched a GT game, the learning curve does not seem to be lessening as much as I want it to. But we still be hanging in there!

Hey, I've been playing since GT1 and have done countless laps on HSR, but I guess since I haven't touched the track hardly since GT2 I had no idea the proper lines for a single turn myself.

Step 1-2-3, step 1-2-3, and twirl....

26.763
19.558

3rd sector 0.1 down from my best so I'll probably spend the rest of the week looking for that. Pretty happy with the lap on the whole so I've got my banker. Got Jon off my back bumper too


Got to admire your dedication and enthusiasm, Dan. 👍 Keep expecting a sudden leap in lap-times from you.... soon... one day soon.

looking good there, I'm sure it'll be a large group of us dangling within 2 tenths or less by the end of the week.

 

[Usual Suspect]

In between some dives to the swimming pool manage a little better this afternoon.

T1: 26.845
T2: 19.674

Not a big improvement but my tan is much better

 

[jack5428]

I think the issues with running a DS3, and to a lesser extent the older wheels with less rotation, is obtaining the accuracy to run close to a wall. There is also a less evident issue of generating too much steering lock because you don't have the resolution that a 900deg wheel has. This scrubs speed through a turn which might help you keep on line, but it will hurt your exit speed and subsequently your speed down the next straight an into the following corner - a big issue here for T1. The same issues of resolution affect throttle and brake application, but that may be less evident at HSR apart from in the middle of T2 perhaps.

Note full lock with a DS3 produces the same steering angle on the vehicle as full lock with a wheel (either 200deg, 900deg or 1080deg)

That said, there are some desperately fast DS3 drivers out there, and if you've placed in the top 10 in Seasonal TT then you are likely one of them. Some of the others are here (Millross, Wayna, Barra, Spud_skills and so on to name a few in D1 and D2) so they would be your measure of speed in the WRS.

Hope that makes sense and if I've inadvertently insulted anyone, then it wasn't my intention (obviously) 👍

You got it backwards. I cant ever at WOT and full lock turn hard enough to make my front tires red but with a wheel, guys do it all the time. The game must assume we cant finely control how much we steer and just always throw the stick either full left or full right. So it "protects us" from oversteering to much and scrubbing off tons of speed. At Indy that scrubbing off at full throttle really was the fastest way to corner.

Also Im not good. Im not great. Im not special or gifted at GT5...just sometimes I go way faster than I do on average. Its frustrating when I dont and real cool when I do. Vagabond said it has nothing to do with luck but from my perspective TT is all about luck and nothing else.

 

[EDK]

TT is all about luck and nothing else.

Being able to find a "magic" lap that's 0.5 better than anything you ran before or can run again happens from time to time. And there's some luck involved in that.

But to be able to consistently perform at a particular level, and to be able to perform at a higher level at the outset than many other drivers takes talent.

 

[Speedy6543]

26.960
19.690

Slightly better T1 26.893
Slightly slower T2 19.729
laptime did improve with 0.3
Guess I'm starting to learn T3

 

[jack5428]

New T1 and T2 splits that are actually faster not slower than previous ones I posted.

T1: 26.866
T2: 19.580

Now I have a pretty good example how to take both 2nd corner and chicane to follow. This is my current ultimate best so far T1 and T2 times.

Was ahead of my ghost by .4 at T2 checkpoint just went thru last corner trying not to hit the guardrail. Barely beat my previous best OT. On my previous best I went thru T3 the fastests I have so far. Thank god I beat him tho, would have been such a shame with such a huge lead not to. lol

 

[DigitalBaka]

So I've had a DFGT sitting on my shelf for some time now. It doesn't get used much as I have no way to set it up where my PS3 is normally. Some home improvement going on in that room has moved the PS3 down to the basement, so I hooked up the wheel and gave it a run of 35 laps or so (yes, all at once ). In the end I found another .7+ and my T2 still stinks.

T1: 27.291
T2: 19.917

Gonna try to iron out something in those esses that at least looks better. Doing this without sound (no speakers on the computer monitor unfortunately) makes it interesting, but I have to say that the wheel really makes a difference on this track, even with me using it just this once.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Well Jack, those are certainly some healthy splits, with a DS3 or a wheel. I'm assuming that you can run around that pace (within 2 tenths) consistently, which as far I'm concerned is not related to luck. Note that the guys at the top of the leaderboard in D1 are not more lucky than the guys at the bottom...

Second question, or more an experiment if you'd indulge me - in the corner before the tunnel, if you change up to 4th early and apply WOT and full left lock, do your tyres go red (assume you run TCS=0)? I'm interested in your assertion that you are not able to apply a much lock as a wheel user. Do you think that the game applies some sort of speed sensitive steering effect? Do you use active steering or alter controller sensitivity? You obviously aren't using SRF as that isn't allowed, but I'd be interested to understand the rest of your settings.

Thanks

 

[pyxen]

There's a great D4 turnout this week..guess I'd better start lapping, and post some splits!