GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 23 : HKS HSR Time Attack

[jack5428]

Well Jack, those are certainly some healthy splits, with a DS3 or a wheel. I'm assuming that you can run around that pace (within 2 tenths) consistently, which as far I'm concerned is not related to luck. Note that the guys at the top of the leaderboard in D1 are not more lucky than the guys at the bottom...

Second question, or more an experiment if you'd indulge me - in the corner before the tunnel, if you change up to 4th early and apply WOT and full left lock, do your tyres go red (assume you run TCS=0)? I'm interested in your assertion that you are not able to apply a much lock as a wheel user. Do you think that the game applies some sort of speed sensitive steering effect? Do you use active steering or alter controller sensitivity? You obviously aren't using SRF as that isn't allowed, but I'd be interested to understand the rest of your settings.

Thanks

No I cant yet run within 2 tenths of that pace consistently. That was 2 tenths faster than ever to the T2 checkpoint and Im usually 4 tenths or more slower than thats so far if I dont nail the guard rail. I am definitly not like most of you guys who can run consistent lap times. Consistent is something Im not at all. lol

The cars front tires wont turn red under full throttle coming out of the chicane exit into the tunnel turning as hard as possible in 3rd or 4th gear. TCS=0, Active steering off, Controller sensitivity 7.

The game knows the red tire limit under throttle and wont let you turn enough to ever go more than white under throttle on the fronts no matter how extreme you tune using a DS3.

I always use to wondered what special tune wheel guys were running that let them get their fronts red mid corner. Then I started to suspect wheels are faster because they can turn a little bit more and thats the only reason why.

DS3s have advantages tho to. It will drive perfectly straight down the road no matter how crazy the tune. No need for toe. I think they allowed a wheel to turn just a hair more to compensate for the need for toe to keep it straight. They just didnt realise some guys would be so awesome they could drive even the squirliest beasts perfectly straight without positive toe.

Or they just want everyone to buy wheels. lol

 

[Carlos Fandango]

The cars front tires wont turn red under full throttle coming out of the chicane exit into the tunnel turning as hard as possible in 3rd or 4th gear. TCS=0, Active steering off, Controller sensitivity 7.

The game knows the red tire limit under throttle and wont let you turn enough to ever go more than white under throttle on the fronts no matter how extreme you tune using a DS3.

Thanks for investiagting this Jack - I'm not sure whether it's common knowledge but it's news to me. What it boils down to then is that with DS3 control, the game has some level of in-built active steering, for want of better term? I wonder if this is perhaps designed so that a DS3 user can compete against a wheel user i.e. mitigates against the inherent flaw in DS3 usage, namely lack of resolution?

Regardless, it doesn't seem to be slowing you down too much - you're certainly faster than me at the moment

 

[CSLACR]

Thanks for investiagting this Jack - I'm not sure whether it's common knowledge but it's news to me. What it boils down to then is that with DS3 control, the game has some level of in-built active steering, for want of better term? I wonder if this is perhaps designed so that a DS3 user can compete against a wheel user i.e. mitigates against the inherent flaw in DS3 usage, namely lack of resolution?

Regardless, it doesn't seem to be slowing you down too much - you're certainly faster than me at the moment

I noticed it on the same track he mentioned, Indy, so I'd long suspected it, but I never tested it fully, though I have found the turns literally can be taken faster with a wheel, at max turning vs max DS3

 

[BloodiMayhem]

WOW - There's an entire 0.12 between the top D4 guys at the moment!
Tight racing I LOVE IT!!!
It will definately come down to the line and what happens in T3!
Race on boys, plenty of time left yet!
Cheers All !!!

 

[DigitalBaka]

WOW - There's an entire 0.12 between the top D4 guys at the moment!
Tight racing I LOVE IT!!!
It will definately come down to the line and what happens in T3!
Race on boys, plenty of time left yet!
Cheers All !!!

It will be one hell of a shootout for sure! Come Monday everyone will be squashed in fighting over a few thousandths I think. Although, that last turn may be the one that separates the men from the boys, so to speak. I should start looking for my bottle and pacifier now...

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Step 1-2-3, step 1-2-3, and twirl....

Sector 1 - MOO!
Sector 2 - MOO!

3rd sector 0.1 down from my best so I'll probably spend the rest of the week looking for that. Pretty happy with the lap on the whole so I've got my banker. Got Jon off my back bumper too

...Permanently I'd say Chris The only week I've ever troubled the pointy end of the leaderboard was at Monza, and I don't see the trend changing this week

Nice work 👍

 

[mcfizzle]

Nice splits there by the way McFizzle 👍

Thanks Chris, I'm happy with them but have another tenth or so left in me. We'll see if io can put it together.

 

[EDK]

Here are my new ones. Saw a 46.33x at T2 a couple laps after this one, but messed up the last turn.

26.759
19.640

 

[DigitalBaka]

T1: 27.001
T2: 20.065

So bizarre. The sector I'm concentrating on improving is going backwards and my time at the line keeps going down. Another .2 gone. Already well blown past what I set my goal for earlier. I might stuff myself up with some of the D3 guys again if I could just get my T2 back where I had it before.

Gonna submit this time for now, so I don't miss it, and revisit this later in the week. I've run probably a hundred laps or more on this today alone, which is unusual for me. A break is in order I think!

 

[GTP_RaceRyder]

Well... thought I could rest for the rest of the week, then comes Iddledoo and DigitalBaka. Got some close times this week.
Dale

T1: 27.166
T2: 19.855

Those wide turns are the key.

 

[mcfizzle]

I set a target time for the week and I just eclipsed it by .001! Now my target is to smash that time and keep getting faster.

T1: 26.865
T2: 19.649

4 laps before this lap I ran a 26.73x T1 and forgot to brake for the esses. Good stuff.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

And Carlos drops ANOTHER place Nice splits Mcfizzle 👍

 

[mcfizzle]

Thanks Jon, it's going to be a tight one at the line, and I don't think the leaderboards will stop changing until the very end and I'm sure you're not done yet.👍 I'm still finding small tweaks to my line that can make a huge difference.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

My posted splits are from a lap before I'd worked out T3 so I've already gone faster over the lap since then without really trying - hoping to make some good progress tonight and try and gain back some places, this time with a good T3 💡

 

[MadMax]

I'll throw a bone in... here's my 1st sector - may help a bit

Thanks for sharing this , it helped a lot

And Kevin's tip on how to tackle the mid sector.

2nd session splits:

26.811
19.588

It seems I'm in a tie with Kevin (EDK)

Here's my setup: brake balance 5/10 (ABS10)

I'm dropping down to 4th gear in turn 2 to allow the car rotate a bit more.
Same for last corner , switch to 4th and once decelerated enought back to 5th gear full throttle.



MadMax

 

[Gravitron]

Hate to bring up the DS3 vs wheel thing again, but I'll be sticking with the wheel on this one. You can definitely turn a little bit farther with the wheel (something that was made crystal-clear to me back on Mini Me). A little speed is scrubbed with the wheel over-turn, but it's usually less lost than backing-off-throttle for wall avoidance maneuver.

That said, congrats to DS3 users who are killing this week. 👍
Hope I can find time to get more laps.

Running BB 0/8:

27.233
19.871

Thanks Kevin for a great combo! 👍

 

[dranddad]

Think I’ll submit my lucky lap time, as I may not be lucky enough to get another session.

Good luck guys. 👍

Phillip.

 

[BloodiMayhem]

ARGHHH!!!!!
I thought i had this one all but submitted!
Who let the D4 guys off the leash!
Being this close puts me out on the edge when spinnin laps, i gotta say, i kinda like it!!
Cheers All !!!

 

[pickle013]

27.124
20.070

Still trying to figure out the esses, but having a blast.

 

[poolhaas]

Slightly slower splits but better overall time

27.059
19.927

 

[Vagabond]

...Permanently I'd say Chris The only week I've ever troubled the pointy end of the leaderboard was at Monza, and I don't see the trend changing this week

Nice work 👍

Thanks Jon... it seems to be going quite well thus far. I was spitting my dummy on Monday, too. As for you "troubling the pointy end" - never say die, mate. HSR is a strange track and could easily mess up the pecking order. 👍

Here are my new ones....

Sweet step up Kev. 👍 Got that podium in your sights this week...

You too McFizzle - D2 are on the march. 👍

Thanks for sharing this , it helped a lot

No worries - glad its been of help. : Nice splits. 👍

BB, I'm running 7/7 ABS 7. Lucky number 7, heh.

Good luck Phillip - hope your 3rd sector matches your first 2. Thanks again for keeping me in the game this week after my early dummy toss.

 

[DDiamond]

BB, I'm running 7/7 ABS 7. Lucky number 7, heh.

I've been running 3/10 with ABS @ 7.

Gonna make some runs with your BB later.

Thanks.

 

[Barra333]

Well I think I am done with this - my best lap is only about .1 slower than my theoretical best and the DS3 limitations in T1 are doing my head in.
To put my 2c in that conversation, I have never lit up the front wheels on steering load - there is obviously some sort of speed related scale on max lock which will never let you near the limit of traction. I proved that to myself when I borrowed a DFGT off a friend a few months ago and was instantly quicker on mid-high speed corners

 

[Vagabond]

I've been running 3/10 with ABS @ 7.

Gonna make some runs with your BB later.

Thanks.

I found that a rearward brake balance does little to reduce turn-in understeer with this pig, Dan. Careful trail-braking on entry to turn 2 with a change down to 4th works a treat. Aggressive braking with some trail and a wide entry works for the Esses.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Hit the trifecta

26.838
19.574

This lap is over three quarters of a second faster at the line than the lap from my previous splits. Will run some more to see if I can't find another few hundredths here and there. I touched the inside curb in turn 1 so that probably cost a little 💡

Nice to be in with a shout of a podium finish again. Feels like it's been a while...

EDIT: Another run. 6 Hundredths better at T2 but only 6 thousandths better at the line . Still, as I said before, I've lost positions over less!

26.772
19.581

I won't hold this leaderboard position at the end based on this lap due to the drop in T3, but it's a solid lap and I've got a few days to find those other few hundredths (or more)

Catching you back up again Chris

 

[Usual Suspect]

Do you guys ever sleep?

 

[Carlos Fandango]

It's 10:21pm here. Why aren't you working

 

[poolhaas]

27.059
19.821

Yet to see a T1 below 27

 

[db_Is_Me]

27.098
19.995

My lines thru T2 still feel wrong.....

 

[DDiamond]

I was interested in seeing what the stock setup for this car was, and had $260,000 to spend.

Not that I could decipher anything from those settings that might help me, but someone that doesn't own the car might be able to.........or maybe it's just not an important fact. The only thing I can see that they added was a titanium exhast.

Do the stock settings when bought = what this car is when run in Arcade mode or would PD mess with any settings?

A GT rook just wondering what you vets have found pertaining to this in the past.

EDIT: Added Specs for both modes, which ARE different:
GT Mode

Arcade Mode