GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 6 : 2011 Rally of Monaco

[Shigegaki]

_SHig

Off topic, they're is another Shig? 👍

I was nice to you guys, check out what Sjaak put us through.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=100528

Haha, that actually looks like a fun combo. But I should of posted that this is the hardest combo for me yet.

I would say to stop that, as far as adjusting ABS. Using 1 isn't that much different than 4, or 10. It's more about the discipline of controlling the car, which will not be so different when you keep adjusting that particular setting. I think you would notice more of a difference changing from 1 to "off" than you will changing it from 1 to 10. If you leave it at 1, that's a constant you don't have to think about. Also, remember that the driving line is interactive, meaning it changes according to your placement at the time. It won't necessarily show you the best line possible, just the best line for where you are at at that particular time in your lap. It will change every lap.

Changing the ABS is something I just started to do. Considering that last week, I was using ABS 10 which helped I believe. It might be just a mental game that I am playing when it comes to adjusting it. But last night when I ran my session, I just ran it with ABS 1. But I have to agree with you Chuk, the driving line is dynamic. I am learning new lines and just trying to see how you guys are getting faster T2's then me. The week is still young

 

[Jake]

Nice combo this week, Kevin, it's very addicting! This is my first effort with the G27. Man, it's a lot different than my DFGT, but feels great. I had to wedge in the pedal box and use a tie strap to get them to mount to my cockpit which is a bit uncomfortable, as I designed the frame to accommodate the DFGT.

I swapped the clutch and brake springs as I prefer a lighter braking touch, so it feels a bit more natural now. Hopefully I'll have a new frame welded up soon with the reverse pedal setup.

Does anyone have extra G25/27 throttle springs they want to unload? It would be perfect if each pedal had a throttle spring installed.

👍

 

[crazytortise]

For anyone wanting to map buttons on a wheel look here. It works with GT5 and you can map them your own way. Just a little helper 👍

Kudos to the person responsible for drawing it up.

 

[Sureboss]

Nice combo this week, Kevin, it's very addicting! This is my first effort with the G27. Man, it's a lot different than my DFGT, but feels great. I had to wedge in the pedal box and use a tie strap to get them to mount to my cockpit which is a bit uncomfortable, as I designed the frame to accommodate the DFGT.

I swapped the clutch and brake springs as I prefer a lighter braking touch, so it feels a bit more natural now. Hopefully I'll have a new frame welded up soon with the reverse pedal setup.

Does anyone have extra G25/27 throttle springs they want to unload? It would be perfect if each pedal had a throttle spring installed.

👍

Took me a while to get used to the brake on the G27 after going from a DFGT. Amusing for the first few weeks to look at the Data Logger and see that I wasn't actually braking when I thought I was.

Not sure I'd want it weaker now though.

 

[EDK]

For anyone wanting to map buttons on a wheel look here. It works with GT5 and you can map them your own way. Just a little helper 👍

Kudos to the person responsible for drawing it up.

You going to come racing with us, then?

Took me a while to get used to the brake on the G27 after going from a DFGT. Amusing for the first few weeks to look at the Data Logger and see that I wasn't actually braking when I thought I was.

Not sure I'd want it weaker now though.

Yeah, my left ankle is stronger than ever now. I agree, I prefer to have more pedal feedback, especially for GT5, when immediate full braking is not always the best course of action (as it was with GT4).

It's even funnier the first few times you hit the clutch in place of the brake and run headlong into a wall.

 

[Jake]

Not sure I'd want it weaker now though.

I prefer to have more pedal feedback, especially for GT5, when immediate full braking is not always the best course of action (as it was with GT4).

It's funny as I have been accustomed to having symmetrical pressure on gas and brake. I feather the brake as I do the throttle, only full braking when required. The lighter touch allows me to modulate the input with less force and with more subtly. Why make your left leg work so hard?

Of course it seems I am the only one who likes it this way. My real life 240Z brake is very similar, 4 piston calipers and monster 12" discs make stopping possible with no more than my big toe and a little pressure.

 

[Dr Wankel]

Another 30 laps

T1: 26.982
T2: 43.494

I just got done cleaning up the coffee that was sprayed all over my monitor when I saw the leaderboard.

Thanks for ruining my morning....

 

[Jake]

here's a start. I hope to shave a little, just have to keep motivated. I'm not sure what to do with the torque distribution yet. Any ideas?

T1: 27.429
T2: 44.728

 

[Sureboss]

I've found 15/85 the best in the third sector. Can't really comment on first two sectors as I've not found any rhythm yet.

Really struggling with this, utterly hating the first half of Monaco isn't helping!

 

[crazytortise]

You going to come racing with us, then?

There is a good possibility that you might catch a glimpse of me on the track this week

 

[Jake]

I've found 15/85 the best in the third sector.

Thanks, that helped me gain an extra .1 pretty quickly. It makes for better launches on exit, especially useful in the 3rd sector for sure. 👍

my hands smell like the leather from the G27, no more plastic. (leaving it open for jokes)

 

[01GTP]

Of course it seems I am the only one who likes it this way.

I too have taken the black spring out of my DFGT brakes.

I've found 15/85 the best in the third sector. Can't really comment on first two sectors as I've not found any rhythm yet.

I was just talking to Chuk about this.
I have found 50/50 works good up to the casino straight and have had some success with 10/90 for the remainder of the lap.
It's pretty easy to change on the straights with the wheel.

my hands smell like the leather from the G27, no more plastic latex. (leaving it open for jokes)

I'm not going there.............. but they could smell worse.

 

[chukabilly]

I'm not going to comment as to what your hands smell like, but I do know that the biggest adjustment I have when driving your set-up is the brake pedal. It's hardly there at all, and I only use one toe! I thought I was a light braker.

 

[Jake]

for those interested in seeing pics of the GT Academy Finals:

http://www.facebook.com/GTAcademyNA

 

[Sureboss]

I too have taken the black spring out of my DFGT brakes.

I was just talking to Chuk about this.
I have found 50/50 works good up to the casino straight and have had some success with 10/90 for the remainder of the lap.
It's pretty easy to change on the straights with the wheel.

Not sure I can change it that quickly by tapping my DS3 buttons. I shall try it.

Still at 8/5 for brakes after trying some other variations.

 

[Horst]

30 laps into the challenge, no where near the time I need to be.

T1: 27.778
T2: 45.080

 

[EDK]

I was just talking to Chuk about this.
I have found 50/50 works good up to the casino straight and have had some success with 10/90 for the remainder of the lap.
It's pretty easy to change on the straights with the wheel.

Funny, when I was toying with that setting last night, I found the higher front bias to be more useful in the last section, for launch out of the last hairpin (second to last turn) in particular.

In the first part of the lap, I found it better to have a lower bias to help with turn in for some of the tighter turns, and limit under steer in turn 1 and Casio.

But then again, I have this goofy brake bias, and like I said, I'm sliding the car all over the place. So it might just come down to driving style, and whatever you're comfortable with. I'll have to get you guys some pics of the smoke show tonight.

 

[mcfizzle]

No improvement in T1 & 2 but saw a decrease in overall time. Will return to the track for evening session. Chicane is absolutely killing me, losing around 4 tenths on exit. I am completely lost in it right now.

 

[Vagabond]

Funny, when I was toying with that setting last night, I found the higher front bias to be more useful in the last section, for launch out of the last hairpin (second to last turn) in particular.

In the first part of the lap, I found it better to have a lower bias to help with turn in for some of the tighter turns, and limit under steer in turn 1 and Casio.

But then again, I have this goofy brake bias, and like I said, I'm sliding the car all over the place. So it might just come down to driving style, and whatever you're comfortable with. I'll have to get you guys some pics of the smoke show tonight.

Goofy bias..? Are you managing to unsettle the rear Kev? I'm running 3/10 brake bias F/R but the rear only breaks away at the right hander of the chicane exiting the swimming pool. As a consequence, I'm carrying huge understeer through most of the lap, which I don't manage well... Even a 10/90 drive split doesn't work... does in fact seem to make the understeer worse through T2. I'm running 25/75 for T1 and 20/80 for the rest of the lap.

The only smoke I get is from the inside front tyre on almost every bend, which isn't helping since the front tyres are constantly overheating. If I try and wind it in, whoosh, off goes ghosty into the distance. Smooth doesn't work, which is why I seem better on comforts than race tyres.

Anyway, look forward to the smoke show, mate 👍

Chuk - I can do it fast, not smooth. If the barriers weren't there I'd be doing a blinding lap time

All are, of course, welcome in the asylum when this week fries you up. Looking at those old challenges Kev, its a wonder any of you who ran them made suffcient recovery to still be doing this Are you still haunted by them? Enough to go easier on us bunch of softies anyway? 👍

Munch - I got your message I hate typing with a DS3 though so I'll just say, yup, I also hate Monaco.. but I always did hate Monaco save when the F1 boys are tootling round it. Then its awesome. Doing this challenge reminds me how insane they are to do that sat on the floor at 160mph+

Anyway, enough waffle. Fixed my pedals - full of husky fluff again. Better splits... marginally. I really am struggling to find improvements and my T1 is getting worse each run..

T1: 27.236
T2: 44.305

I need a break....

 

[EDK]

Goofy bias..? Are you managing to unsettle the rear Kev? I'm running 3/10 brake bias F/R but the rear only breaks away at the right hander of the chicane exiting the swimming pool. As a consequence, I'm carrying huge understeer through most of the lap, which I don't manage well... Even a 10/90 drive split doesn't work... does in fact seem to make the understeer worse through T2. I'm running 25/75 for T1 and 20/80 for the rest of the lap.

The only smoke I get is from the inside front tyre on almost every bend, which isn't helping since the front tyres are constantly overheating. If I try and wind it in, whoosh, off goes ghosty into the distance. Smooth doesn't work, which is why I seem better on comforts than race tyres.

Anyway, look forward to the smoke show, mate 👍

All are, of course, welcome in the asylum when this week fries you up. Looking at those old challenges Kev, its a wonder any of you who ran them made suffcient recovery to still be doing this Are you still haunted by them? Enough to go easier on us bunch of softies anyway? 👍

I'm using 10(Front)/6(Rear) on the brake bias, which seems to be helping the back end break loose. I think the bias you are using creates the opposite effect, by stabilizing the rear. For rear drive cars, that helps avoid oversteer on turn in, especially if you are still braking as you go in.

In this case, when trying to induce oversteer, I set high front bias, so that when I brake and turn in at the same time, the back end comes around, immediately.

As crazy as those past Monaco WRS combos were, I have fond memories of them, and I really like city track combos in general. I suppose that means I'm actually running the asylum now.

Monaco has also been home to some of my most fun and memorable LAN races, so this combo was an easy pick for me. I think I was nice by making it a small, AWD car on stickies. I suppose it would have been even nicer to use something like the Fiat 500, but what fun would that be.

 

[munch2112]

Munch - I got your message I hate typing with a DS3 though so I'll just say, yup, I also hate Monaco.. but I always did hate Monaco save when the F1 boys are tootling round it. Then its awesome. Doing this challenge reminds me how insane they are to do that sat on the floor at 160mph+

Fair enough it is very annoying to type on the DS3! get a keyboard in there

Ive walked around the course at Monaco, man is it beautiful! its a truly stunning place! But that tunnel, that tunnel is small. and taking it at 150-170mph, no thanks!! il leave that to them!!

But its an amazing place, and one of dreams to go there for a race weekend! I was hoping this year as its just on my birthday!!

 

[Vagabond]

That sounds like a great Birthday mate - how much will you have to butter someone up for that?

I'll try the brake balance out, thanks Kev. 👍

I suppose that means I'm actually running the asylum now.

Yup, you are. No waking us up for "fun and games" in the middle of the night eh? And no, I'm not taking my medication like a big boy.

Fiat 500's are cool... but yeah, fun is threading the needle, grinding your teeth in anguish at the cramp in your hands as you feverishly grip the wheel for the start of your 100th lap. And no I'm not being sarcastic... WRS is fantastic fun and hopelessly addictive. 👍

 

[Dr Wankel]

I'm using 10(Front)/6(Rear) on the brake bias, which seems to be helping the back end break loose. I think the bias you are using creates the opposite effect, by stabilizing the rear. For rear drive cars, that helps avoid oversteer on turn in, especially if you are still braking as you go in.

In this case, when trying to induce oversteer, I set high front bias, so that when I brake and turn in at the same time, the back end comes around, immediately.

As crazy as those past Monaco WRS combos were, I have fond memories of them, and I really like city track combos in general. I suppose that means I'm actually running the asylum now.

Monaco has also been home to some of my most fun and memorable LAN races, so this combo was an easy pick for me. I think I was nice by making it a small, AWD car on stickies. I suppose it would have been even nicer to use something like the Fiat 500, but what fun would that be.

A higher rear bias will always create more oversteer under braking, pretty much regardless of the drive configuration. Though some to more of an extent than others. Think about what happens when you just barely lock up the brake on a direct drive kart, if you are turning the wheel at all...around you go.

Right now I'm running 50/50 to try to help the car rotate through the center of the corner and 6f/10r brake bias to get the back end around on entry. Getting the back to rotate under braking isn't too big on an issue, but I'm having to trail brake very aggressive it get it to start to rotate.

My biggest issue is getting the car to keep rotating mid corner, I have a feeling this may be in part do to the rally based setup this car most likely has on it i.e. a lot of travel with low compression damping and fast rebound. Purely speculation as I can't see the setup but if feels like the weight just flies off the front end and onto the back soon as you pick the throttle back up mid corner, which would explain the smoking inside front tire that some of us are getting.

I'm going to play around with the settings a bit more tonight, but the T2 times some of you are running still boggles my mind.

 

[w-g-e]

First session:
T1: 27.199
T2: 44.115

What is faster: smooth or agressive?
I just can't figure it out.

Brake bias 10/10.

 

[EDK]

A higher rear bias will always create more oversteer under braking, pretty much regardless of the drive configuration. Though some to more of an extent than others. Think about what happens when you just barely lock up the brake on a direct drive kart, if you are turning the wheel at all...around you go.

Right now I'm running 50/50 to try to help the car rotate through the center of the corner and 6f/10r brake bias to get the back end around on entry. Getting the back to rotate under braking isn't too big on an issue, but I'm having to trail brake very aggressive it get it to start to rotate.

My biggest issue is getting the car to keep rotating mid corner, I have a feeling this may be in part do to the rally based setup this car most likely has on it i.e. a lot of travel with low compression damping and fast rebound. Purely speculation as I can't see the setup but if feels like the weight just flies off the front end and onto the back soon as you pick the throttle back up mid corner, which would explain the smoking inside front tire that some of us are getting.

I'm going to play around with the settings a bit more tonight, but the T2 times some of you are running still boggles my mind.

Well, that may be correct in the real world, but I'm telling you that yanking the wheel around while braking is allowing the back end to rotate more freely with the brake bias as I have it set. I tried with even bias, and with rear bias.

In my brain, setting front bias would allow the back to outrun the front, again, when applying the technique I describe. But it could just be that GT settings and physics, no matter how real we may want them to be, are not real.

 

[Dr Wankel]

But it could just be that GT settings and physics, no matter how real we may want them to be, are not real.

You may have hit the nail on the head there. As I said I'm going to mess around with the settings some more and see what happens. I never tried moving the brake bias forward because my real world tuning experience tells me not to, but at the end of the day if the stopwatch has a smaller number on it thats all that matters. 👍

 

[Anghammarad]

27.388
44.249

 

[RoeszaGT]

Got started today with this amazing combo and my splits are:

T1: 27.860
T2: 45.553

1+2: 1:13.413

 

[munch2112]

Not been able to improve tonight, seen some good splits though! A 27.3XX in T1 and a 43.9XX in T2, just haven't been able to string them together in a clean lap

Hopefully better luck tomorrow!

 

[joshmuggo]

Hey guys,

Just thought i'd jump on and give up my setup.

I am running 20/80 torque split and 4/7 brake bias for this.

Grabbing the tiniest bit of handbrake at the Grand Hotel Hairpin.

The rest of the lap I am trying to slide the tail from Corner entry to the middle of the corner, as soon as I know i can get back on the power, i'm on it and not off til the next.

This lap is scary when you are on a quick one because you are flirting with the walls EVERY corner to be fast (and on some of the straights after watching my replay!)

out of the 50-60 laps i have done, i think 5-10 would have been clean.

This combo is going to reward balls.

Any questions feel free, more than happy to answer them.