GTP_WRS-Online : 2013 WRS World Cup Team Challenge - Aug 10

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The main lounge is closed for qualifying.

Dot not enter until I updated this message.


EDIT: Open. Good run Rocket.

Time for PURE NA... Come and get it!!!
 
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Sorry we're late for our scheduled run. We're ready to go, are we still good being this close?
 
Lounge is open, but quali deadline has passed.

Good runs, PURE NA. 👍


Admins are discussing how to distribute the free agents and set the final lounge assignments, and will post decisions later.
 
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Hey Eddie... I just noticed that if someone else had joined that out-qualified us both you'd have your normal #11 and I'd have my normal #19.

How about we start he numbering @ 2. ;)
 
i'll ask a question every body wants to ask .
when are the results ready to be seen :)

60-90 minutes from now... sorry, but it's been a long day and I have a couple other things to attend to before posting.
 
Hey Eddie... I just noticed that if someone else had joined that out-qualified us both you'd have your normal #11 and I'd have my normal #19.

How about we start he numbering @ 2. ;)

Yep, but now I get to use MY normal number 11.. :D
 
May I ask..
So, the average time for the top 3 drivers in each team determines where to start in the first race at Fuji F?
And the result (avg result for the team) from the Fuji race determines the grid and which room each team ends up in for the Spa race?
 
All we can show at this point is the individual driver quali. Congrats Bart on a blistering pole lap! :cheers: And Ghost right behind him!

PROVISIONAL World Cup 2013 Quali Results
Some times and replays still to be checked, so these may not be final.

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May I ask..
So, the average time for the top 3 drivers in each team determines where to start in the first race at Fuji F?
And the result (avg result for the team) from the Fuji race determines the grid and which room each team ends up in for the Spa race?
It's all in the OP, Dennis. ;)

Tournament Structure
Please note that regardless of the outcome of round 1 (Fuji), all teams and drivers will advance to round 2 (Spa).

Pre-Qualifying:
  • Each team and driver must pre-qualify for the event
  • Each team is then assigned a seeding based on the average of the top 3 drivers qualification times
  • Drivers that fail to qualify by the deadline will start behind all qualifiers ranked by handicap. As for the team average for seeding, drivers missing the qualifying deadline will be assigned the time from the slowest driver on the team plus a 2 second penalty (only the top 3 are averaged per team so there may be no impact on the team). Basically, don't miss the deadline.

Round 1:
  • Lounge Assignments: Team lounge assignment determined by qualification seed (Snaking System: e.g. 1=A, 2=B, 3=C, 4=D, 5=D, 6=C, 7=B, 8=A, 9=A, etc.)
  • Starting Order: Determined by pre-qualifying fast laps for each individual driver
  • Points: Sum of top 3 drivers per team (after driver handicap multiplier applied to finishing base points)

Round 2:
  • Lounge Assignments: Team lounge assignment determined by points earned in round 1 (top/middle/bottom brackets)
  • Starting Order: Determined by pre-qualifying fast laps for each individual driver
  • Points: Sum of top 3 drivers drivers per team (after driver handicap multiplier AND bracket multiplier applied to finishing position points)

Overall Results:
  • Team rankings determined by sum of points from both rounds
  • Ties are unlikely due to the multipliers, but in cases of a tie:
    • First tie breaker is number of wins for the team
    • Second tie breaker is number of 2nd places for the team
    • etc.
 
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Yeah, Gravitron, I know. But I had a hard time getting exactly how the event was structured.
I'm a bit slow perhaps... 3.40 AM here now.. ;)

Edit: Wohoo! Happy with 4th.. But it's typically me to not reach the podium even though I was really happy with my run..
 
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My Q time was exactly equal to the average of the 4 on my team. Kevin called me "average" when we saw that. :ouch:
 
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Official Qualification Results. (next post will contain the grid assignments for round 1)

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NOTES:

There were two teams that were at 3 drivers and that included 1 driver per team with wheel/hardware issues. Team Aussie (ren) and Team Nederlands (w-g-e). Since Team Belgium was dissolved we had two 100% confirmed free agents (Dr Aug, n0ize). By random draw DrAug was assigned to Team Aussie and n0ize to Team Nederlands. They impact the seeding above.

The two remaining free agents (Mamba, Jared) did not qualify and will fill in on an as-needed basis if they can even show up which is not known at this time.
 
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Round 1 Grid Assignments (see OP for formula used):

{See new version below}​

NOTES:

The 2nd race (PURE NA, GB, Canada, USA White) will take place in a public lobby since our lounges will only support 15 drivers. One of the stewards will set it up and post the lobby # here (or just friend one and follow them) about an hour before the first race. We don't want randoms coming in so please join the room as early as possible. If someone cancels early enough we'll move it back to the B lounge as it will support 15. (We'll do the same in round 2 if a room has 16). If you DC, please return to the room ASAP to grab the spot before a random.

Also, between races, all drivers should exit the lounges, get an oil change and then wait for the round 2 assignments which will be published right after the last of the round 1 races is completed and results are put in the system. There will then be a 15 minute warm up period (and lounge join period) so drivers can get into the correct lounge and get ready to rumble.

:cheers:

PS> Driver Car numbers are now final and shown in the registration post in the OP. Please change the number of the car to match your rank and also make sure to paint your team colors.
 
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I understand that this is a hard operation.

But, with a system like this (team 1 to room A, team 2 to room B, team 3 to room C, team 4 to room C, team 5 to room B, team 6 to room A, team 7 to room A, team 8 to room B, team 9 to room C, team 10 to room C, team 11 to room B), it have to be 12 teams..

Cause right now, we're the team that scored the most points of the teams that are the "bottom" team in each room by quite a margin.

We got 4 slower teams than us (but we only race in 3 lobbys), but in our room (out of 3!), we got the lowest rank.
Sure, we're only 11 drivers, so that means we can't end up lower than 11th.. But on the other hand, the system will decrease our points as if our room had 15 drivers?
Am I right in this?

I'm not sure what I'm getting at here, but something feels off so to speak..

This is not supposed to be a whining post.
I just want this explained fully. 👍

Hope that you guys who run this amazing event don't feel like I'm trying to come at you. I know very well how hard it is to administrate a race/event like this.
I respect you and greatly appritiate all your efforts! 👍


EDIT: In order to make the rooms more equal would be to assign the teams like this, since the method used right now requires 12 teams to be equal (if we had 12 teams, the method used would absoluteley be the best, but with only 11 teams, it gets really weird):

Team 1 - room A
Team 2 - room B
Team 3 - room C
Team 4 - room A
Team 5 - room B
Team 6 - room C
Team 7 - room A
Team 8 - room B
Team 9 - room C
Team 10 - room A
Team 11 - room B

In this case, the rooms are way more balanced imo.


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Or even better.. Like this:

Team 1 - room A
Team 2 - room B
Team 3 - room C
Team 4 - room A
Team 5 - room B
Team 6 - room C
Team 7 - room B
Team 8 - room A
Team 9 - room C
Team 10 - room B
Team 11 - room A
 
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Without an even number of teams per lounge it's impossible to be completely fair. I wish we had 12 teams, but we had no control over that.

Yes your room has a slightly different scoring system since it's only 11. But finish in the top 4 and you get the same points as a lounge with 16 and top 5 is only marginally lower than a room with 14 or 15.

I think if you look across all lounges they are all quality grids and very well balanced and each provides a lot of competition. There are 4-5 D1 drivers in each and every room.

All the rules and formulas were decided based on seeding. All these rules were thought up and published well before any teams were final or any quali times in so there is no way any bias or favoritism was involved. Stuff just fell like it did and one more/fewer dirty lap or one more gold lap during quali could have make things completely different.

I think the rules were 100% fair even if the outcome isn't 100% perfectly balanced. I look at our lounge (#3) and think how did we end up with such a beast of a room. Two complete aliens so only one shot a podium in reality... and Small_Fryz had a bad quali and is another alien lurking at the back.

Just enjoy the races and do your best. We understand it's not perfect. It was meant to be fun and that goal we hope to achieve.

If there is a better system we'll learn from this one and modify it next time... but just remember one team cancelling and not bothering to let you know can lay all well laid out plans to rest.
 
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Without an even number of teams per lounge it's impossible to be completely fair. I wish we had 12 teams, but we had no control over that.

I fully understand that. But given the number of teams, this system would balance things out more:

Team 1 - Room A
Team 2 - Room B
Team 3 - Room C
Team 4 - Room A
Team 5 - Room B
Team 6 - Room C
Team 7 - Room B
Team 8 - Room A
Team 9 - Room C
Team 10 - Room B
Team 11 - Room A

All the rules and formulas were decided based on seeding. All these rules were thought up and published well before any teams were final or any quali times in so there is no way any bias or favoritism was involved. Stuff just fell like it did and one more/fewer dirty lap or one more gold lap during quali could have make things completely different.

Oh, I don't for one second say or think that any favouritism was involved.
I'm saying that the method used is'nt good with an un-even number of teams.
The method I suggested is way better with the number of teams beeing 11.

I think the rules were 100% fair even if the outcome isn't 100% perfectly balanced. I look at our lounge (#3) and think how did we end up with such a beast of a room. Two complete aliens so only one shot a podium in reality... and Small_Fryz had a bad quali and is another alien lurking at the back.

Yes, and while looking at room # 1, there's also 2 aliens, and Wes that did'nt Q.. In a room of only 11..

But honestly, this is'nt about my chance to win the race or anything, cause I never do.
It's about me thinking the system I suggested above is way better when the number of teams are 11 and not 12.
It's an easy fix imo.

I fully understand your intentions when you came up with the structure.
And if you can't fix it to this race, I'm totally fine with that. 👍

If there is a better system we'll learn from this one and modify it next time... but just remember one team cancelling and not bothering to let you know can lay all well laid out plans to rest.

I will defenetly enjoy.. No doubt! 👍
 
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Is it a coincidence that your last 2 room assignment schemes would put your team and PURE NA in the same room? :sly:

Go to bed! :lol:
 
Is it a coincidence that your last 2 room assignment schemes would put your team and PURE NA in the same room? :sly:

Go to bed! :lol:

Even if you don't know me, you know me well enough to know that's not the reason for my suggestion.
If you look at the current rooms and compare to how the rooms would look using the structure I suggested, I think you'll notice that the rooms are way more balanced. That's all I'm trying to say.

Yep, going to sleep now. :)


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Average team rank in each room with the current structure:

Room #1: 4.6
Room #2: 6.5
Room #3: 6.5

Average team rank in each room with the structure I suggest:

Room #1: 6
Room #2: 6
Room #3: 6


And with my first suggestion, it woul've looked like this:

Room #1: 5.5
Room #2: 6.5
Room #3: 6

As you can see, it's more balanced than the current structure, but worse than my last suggestion.
So the reason is not that my team would end up in the same room as the PURE NA team.


To be honest, I think this have to be corrected. The differences are way off as it is right now.
 
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Average team rank doesn't mean everything. Team depth, make up, etc. The event structure is fixed for tomorrow. Sorry if you don't agree with it, but I hope you grin and bare it.

For the record I looked into your idea and Team USA Red got an easier lounge... it would benefit Team USA Red to do it... The top ranked team (UK) got a much harder lounge than the #3 rank team. One lounge had 7 D1 drivers another had 3 D1 drivers... not even at all IMO.

Next time we do this (if there is a next time) we can revisit the rules and we'll know the full outcome from this event and will learn from it. This time, the answer is NO.
 
I really don't agree with your arguments. The number of D1 drivers mean zip.. Look at you for example (not to mention GTP_Caine). You're a D2 driver, but beat many D1 drivers.
That if anything does'nt say anything.

Average team rank do say a lot since this is a team event, and it's also based on what we did today on track.

Team Sweden is the 7th ranked team, and we're ****** before the race starts. In contradiction to what's the case for all other teams that put in a decent result.

I can defenetly grin and bare it.

Just wanted to get my opinion out there, and that's done.

See you guys tomorrow. 👍
 
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We do have a possible issue and it's nothing to do with Denilson. :sly:

We're not 100% sure w-g-e can race. That poses two problems. First, his lounge is already short. Second, and more important, he's the only steward assigned to lounge 1. No race is official without an official steward. :mad:

We've sent Wes a PM... if he is not 100% to make the event we may have no choice but to switch things up a little.

The current assignments based on seeds were 123 321 123 321. And the new method to assign seeds would only involve changing the final pass 123 321 123 123

This would give us at least 2 stewards in every lounge. We may have no choice after all that discussion. :lol: Will update you all in the morning.
 
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Don't try this at home. :ill: How to almost ruin your group qualification. (watch till the end of the main straight...)
After practicing it to perfection. :ouch:

I have to thank my teammates for giving me 2 pulls vs. their 1 pull each, to net us 3rd in overall team quali. :cheers:

 
Bracket Multiplier: Applied to base points for each individual driver based on round 2 bracket:
  • If there are 2 lounges: Top (A) = 2.00, Bottom (B) = 1.00
  • If there are 3 lounges: Top (A) = 3.00, Medium (B) = 1.75, Bottom (C) = 1.00
  • If there are 4 lounges: Top (A) = 3.00, 2nd (B) = 2.10, 3rd (C) = 1.45, Bottom (D) = 1.00

Im a little confused about this and was wondering if someone could clarify it.

My interpretation is that the winners from each lounge in round 1 will join together for round 2 and be In the (A) bracket. Any points earned in round 2 will then be tripled (with 3 lounges). The runners up from round 1 will join up in the (B) bracket and get 1.75x points in round 2 etc etc

is this right?
 
I'm a little confused about this and was wondering if someone could clarify it.

My interpretation is that the winners from each lounge in round 1 will join together for round 2 and be In the (A) bracket. Any points earned in round 2 will then be tripled (with 3 lounges). The runners up from round 1 will join up in the (B) bracket and get 1.75x points in round 2 etc etc is this right?

Mostly right, except for the bolded part. It's not the "winners from each lounge" that go into the (A) bracket.
It's the 4 teams across all 3 lounges scoring the most points from round 1 (4 teams X 4 drivers max = 16 lounge limit) that go to (A).
The next 4 highest scoring teams collect in (B), and the rest in (C).

The PS4 & GT7 better have higher than 16-driver lobbies, because this limit is driving us all batty. :irked:
 
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