GTP_WRS Week 1 : BallS1 to the Wall

[iainoflo85]

I tried changing the ABS settings but I noticed nothing different, be they 1 or 10. Maybe it was just me, certainly wasn't quicker even with ABS at just 3...was slower in fact. There was a huge difference between ABS 1 and 0 though

Well my brakes don't lock up nearly as much with ABS at 3, it helps a lot on the first corner and then the hairpin.

Anyways similar splits but a whole 3 tenths at the line:

24.584
49.884

 

[poolhaas]

25.034
50.667

Second round of laps, just can't seem to find a way to tackle the first sector.

 

[iainoflo85]

25.034
50.667

Second round of laps, just can't seem to find a way to tackle the first sector.

I've found that I only really brake for the first corner - the rest is lifts/tapping of the brakes.

 

[poolhaas]

I've found that I only really brake for the first corner - the rest is lifts/tapping of the brakes.

I try the same but always end up either miles off the apex or in the grass of the inside of the first corner. I guess more practice is needed.

 

[iSidious]

Still haven't managed to recreate my best sector 1 but faster by 2 tenths at the line.

24.520
49.803

 

[nursemorph]

Well my brakes don't lock up nearly as much with ABS at 3, it helps a lot on the first corner and then the hairpin.

Hmmm...very strange as it made no difference to my braking at either corner. Maybe I slam the brakes on much harder?

 

[Gravitron]

The on/off nature of using O (or any face button) for brakes is probably making that corner harder than it should be. Maybe try tapping the brake button quickly, which should hopefully have the effect of making the brake force "hover" in the middle, instead of 0%->100%->0%.

 

[iainoflo85]

Hmmm...very strange as it made no difference to my braking at either corner. Maybe I slam the brakes on much harder?

After watching the Sector 1 vids, I've been braking less than fully. With ABS 1 even half brake sent my front tires into lock, now with ABS 3 I can brake a bit harder, and more, but not like I usually do - full-on and hard.

I try the same but always end up either miles off the apex or in the grass of the inside of the first corner. I guess more practice is needed.

It takes some practice, and many restarts - I've only managed to do it a couple times. I've been able to hit a .4xx three times now today, but mostly it's around .6 - .8 and a lot of offs. But persevere, take regular breaks and you'll soon improve a tenth at a time.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Yet again, a good improvement in S1 and S2 combined (tfinally cracked the 50 second mark, so 2 tenths quicker..yay)then messed it up with a scruffy S3...figures! If I can get S1-2 sorted together, then I can see another 3 or 4 tenths I think:

S1: 24.796
S2: 49.996

Oh, and thank you @sems4arsenal for that video...I realised I am braking where I don't need to, namely T3...am quicker now when I hook up the sector so it was amassive help:tup:

Oh don't thank me, thank @Vagabond and good luck shaving those pesky seconds

 

[hessi]

By now I was hoping to submit my own times, but boy am I struggling with this car... haha, I'm so frickin' bad, it's funny.

Seriously, a sincere thanks to the WRS gods that they didn't decide on the combination of the Audi quattro and Apricot Hill as a part of the qualifier, it would have been absolutely disastrous for me.

You guys have fun chasing the tenth at 0:24 on Sector 1, I might at some point break into 0:26 territory - but it's probably not going to be this week.

 

[Argon]

Managed to grab a few more laps and a big improvement over the line with some marginal gains in sector 1 and 2

24.410
49.960

 

[nursemorph]

Managed to grab a few more laps and a big improvement over the line with some marginal gains in sector 1 and 2

24.410
49.960

Damn (excuse my language), I am 2 tenths slower than you for S1 yet same time at S2...so glad my S2 is pretty good or I'd really be struggling!

Talking of times, I have just improved mine by 2 tenths and a much better full lap time...finally, after over 60 laps of struggling today, I get it fairly hooked up:

S1: 24.623
S2: 49.973

 

[nursemorph]

@sems4arsenal: sorry, just assumed it was yours. In that case:

@Vagabond: thanks for the video that sems posted, it has helped me get quicker...much appreciated

 

[iSidious]

Might be just getting the hang of sector1 now!

24.386
49.603

 

[Deton]

I had huge problems with T1 aswell when I started running this TT, and eventually it became pretty much an obsession for me to improve it to the point where I can see a 24.1xx at least once before I give up.

Initially I was almost sure that it was the second corner that was the decisive point for me to lose time on T1, but after a while I realized that the last righthander of the 3 consecutive corners was the one where I was losing most time. So for anyone who's struggling to find those tenths on T1, my tip is to try different approaches for that last righthander of the sector, as it's surprisingly easy to lose .1, .2 or even .3 there if you fail to take it just right.

 

[Argon]

Damn (excuse my language), I am 2 tenths slower than you for S1 yet same time at S2...so glad my S2 is pretty good or I'd really be struggling!

Talking of times, I have just improved mine by 2 tenths and a much better full lap time...finally, after over 60 laps of struggling today, I get it fairly hooked up:

Sector 2 is kicking my behind ATM David

 

[nursemorph]

Sector 2 is kicking my behind ATM David

Yeah, the hairpin is tricky. I have managed to be able to find a brake and turn in where I can slide it round the apex...just can't manage it often. It's S1 that's killing me...though did get it to a .5 but then messed up the rest of the lap typically. Trouble is I don't know when to give in....have already done nearly 800 miles on this TT

 

[millross]

My tips for success:

Turn 1: Throw it in, modulate brake and throttle lightly, then throw it in again. Tight to the apex and don't run too wide or you'll be doing 5 mph too slow at the next apex.
Turn 2: Lift and coast. 100mph apex. Careful throttle application.
Turn 3: Lift and coast very slightly, line up for the next very important corner...
Turn 4: ...spot the exit, straight line as much as poss and "clip" the kerb so that you get a fraction of rotation. Floor it. You do not want to be going on the grass at all here, with REAL grip reduction you run the risk of binning it and dropping 3 tenths. You also need to nail this turn as turn 5 involves very little slow down when done correctly.
Turn 5: Lift and 50% throttle for a few seconds. I change down here too, if you don't, you'll need to brake. Hold the turn as tight as you can - IMHO this is the quickest way, no double apex as the tyres light up and the grip doesn't come back for the exit. Spot the exit as early as you can and aim to be just inside the kerb on exit.
Turn 6: Brake late rather than early, late apex beats early apex 10 times out of 10. If you go too far though and miss the hairpin apex, start over. You'll not get that back!
Turn 7: Nothing to say here. Flat and no bother.
Turn 8: Hard corner to get right...start slightly wide and aim to brake, change down once (or twice if you want) stay tight and don't go off track on the inside.
Chicane: Aim for sticking the whole left/right side of the car over the kerbs, both in and out. Hail mary, roll the dice and hope you get a double 6.
Last turn: Late apex is best, early apex is a recipe for going partially off, or way off into the wall.

Turns 1 to 4 is like driving Suzuka. You can't sacrifice one turn in favour of another, all must be one sequence.
The hairpin and the last corner you must avoid an early apex like the plague!
The rest of it is tight lines and careful throttle application. Limited mashing! Smoking tyres are fine provided you're at the correct speed and it's just into the red. Maintaining red tyres is pretty bad

 

[Crispy74]

Just had my first crack at this combo, reasonably happy with my first set of splits, but there's still a few millimetres of curb left to cut, so hopefully I can chop a little more off my time there:

24.401
49.701

 

[Vinal]

Do I need to submit the qualifier again for GT6?

 

[Doodle]

Yes.

 

[the_wilco]

A quick session tonight. Took a while to get back on the pace but then started getting good splits. Finally managed to improve despite being slower to S2. Then experimented with controller sensitivity on 7 and, after a few sighting laps, got another .5s. New splits.

24.734
50.350

 

[Enex]

Small improvements...

24.450
49.800

 

[Xelyno]

Just did a few more laps and improved a little bit.

24.937
50.204

 

[KWZX10]

24.743
50.060

Bad t1 but better laptime...

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

My tips for success:

Turn 1: Throw it in, modulate brake and throttle lightly, then throw it in again. Tight to the apex and don't run too wide or you'll be doing 5 mph too slow at the next apex.
Turn 2: Lift and coast. 100mph apex. Careful throttle application.
Turn 3: Lift and coast very slightly, line up for the next very important corner...
Turn 4: ...spot the exit, straight line as much as poss and "clip" the kerb so that you get a fraction of rotation. Floor it. You do not want to be going on the grass at all here, with REAL grip reduction you run the risk of binning it and dropping 3 tenths. You also need to nail this turn as turn 5 involves very little slow down when done correctly.
Turn 5: Lift and 50% throttle for a few seconds. I change down here too, if you don't, you'll need to brake. Hold the turn as tight as you can - IMHO this is the quickest way, no double apex as the tyres light up and the grip doesn't come back for the exit. Spot the exit as early as you can and aim to be just inside the kerb on exit.
Turn 6: Brake late rather than early, late apex beats early apex 10 times out of 10. If you go too far though and miss the hairpin apex, start over. You'll not get that back!
Turn 7: Nothing to say here. Flat and no bother.
Turn 8: Hard corner to get right...start slightly wide and aim to brake, change down once (or twice if you want) stay tight and don't go off track on the inside.
Chicane: Aim for sticking the whole left/right side of the car over the kerbs, both in and out. Hail mary, roll the dice and hope you get a double 6.
Last turn: Late apex is best, early apex is a recipe for going partially off, or way off into the wall.

Turns 1 to 4 is like driving Suzuka. You can't sacrifice one turn in favour of another, all must be one sequence.
The hairpin and the last corner you must avoid an early apex like the plague!
The rest of it is tight lines and careful throttle application. Limited mashing! Smoking tyres are fine provided you're at the correct speed and it's just into the red. Maintaining red tyres is pretty bad

Thank you very much for taking the time to do this Matt. As a student of time trialing and one who reads anything he can get his hands on pertaining to the subject, this is some very valuable information. After a couple hours break, I'm getting ready to head back out to the track and I will definitely put this new found knowledge to good use. Thanks again Matt, much appreciated.

 

[ItsAllAboutWins]

@GTP_CargoRatt hey Mitch, I noticed your Sig says G27.. didn't you have a csr elite?? I'll be sending you a pm shortly, pertaining to some things you might be interested in.

 

[mickyevs]

T1. 25.199
T2. 51.232

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

@GTP_CargoRatt hey Mitch, I noticed your Sig says G27.. didn't you have a csr elite?? I'll be sending you a pm shortly, pertaining to some things you might be interested in.

Yea I do. I have no idea why I put that in my sig. Old habits I guess.

 

[GTP_Patrick1]

24.434
49.917

First serious go at this. Finally getting through the first turn relatively under control.