GTPlanet Tandem H2H Drift Tournament #2 </Ivan vs Uberlight replay uploaded\>

[monsterGAUZ]

It is VERY good that everybody has to do a qualify lap. this underlines the d1 feeling
i also really appreciate the no limit bhp and aspiration.

 

[GODfreyGT5]

Can we have a FR limit as (discussed by me and TwinTurbo) MR cars gain a fair bit of distance through the corners which would be highly unfair, wheras differences in HP make little difference.

Chris.

 

[Tuzmyfuz80]

Can we have a FR limit as (discussed by me and TwinTurbo) MR cars gain a fair bit of distance through the corners which would be highly unfair, wheras differences in HP make little difference.

Chris.

I just thought it was a silent rule

 

[Tuzmyfuz80]

The question is, am I 'straight' at any point? No. I go through the 'straight ahead' position while transtitioning, but the car is never ACTUALLY STRAIGHT in a way that would enable be to use power to accelerate more than someone with less power. All transitions are either on throttle with heavy wheelspin or off throttle, in which case power is not part of the equation..

previously i thought the question was if the tyres were straight at one point. Miss understanding on my part

 

[HKSD1]

after i did some demo runs on the layouts, i found a few flaws in them.

and excuse my noob-ness, but have anyone notice that it's nearly impossible to link turn 4-5 on indy#2?? infact most of the layouts results in straighten at some point or unlinkable without straighten or manji.

are we really voting for tracks that are fun to drift or are we voting for tracks that are suitable for competition?? i highly believe there are differences in the two.

as a side note i haven't tried any high powered car in attempt to link turn 4-5 on indy#2 as i used my MCoupe with 450hp, but if a 450hp can't link it and a 600hp can, i highly doubt this is suitable for competition.

take it or not, this is my .02

 

[TwinturboCH]

and excuse my noob-ness, but have anyone notice that it's nearly impossible to link turn 4-5 on indy#2??

I can link it in my 394bhp PS13, JUST, so power isn't a problem. I love it because it's a piece of track that really shows up the simply good, from the truly excellent as it requires you to be inch perfect with your line, flawless on your steering and 100% throttle

 

[HKSD1]

I can link it in my 394bhp PS13, JUST, so power isn't a problem. I love it because it's a piece of track that really shows up the simply good, from the truly excellent as it requires you to be inch perfect with your line, flawless on your steering and 100% throttle

please advise, as i dont see it happening
even if it does it's very tight and no way for any close tandem to happen.

the chase will have to drift a tighter line that is not available

 

[Gonales]

after i did some demo runs on the layouts, i found a few flaws in them.

and excuse my noob-ness, but have anyone notice that it's nearly impossible to link turn 4-5 on indy#2?? infact most of the layouts results in straighten at some point or unlinkable without straighten or manji.

are we really voting for tracks that are fun to drift or are we voting for tracks that are suitable for competition?? i highly believe there are differences in the two.

as a side note i haven't tried any high powered car in attempt to link turn 4-5 on indy#2 as i used my MCoupe with 450hp, but if a 450hp can't link it and a 600hp can, i highly doubt this is suitable for competition.

take it or not, this is my .02

I dont wanna be a bitch, but add me and ill link you every track in this competition. Also other people that doubt the driftability of the tracks.

Dominique

 

[HKSD1]

I dont wanna be a bitch, but add me and ill link you every track in this competition. Also other people that doubt the driftability of the tracks.

Dominique

really now...you serious?! i'm going to point out an obvious one.....
suzuka #1 turn 9-10. you can link those 2? i gotta see you do your magic, we are talking about no manjiing all the way down a straight here just incase you didn't read carefully.

 

[monsterGAUZ]

and excuse my noob-ness, but have anyone notice that it's nearly impossible to link turn 4-5 on indy#2?? infact most of the layouts results in straighten at some point or unlinkable without straighten or manji.

i don't know if it's caused by more power but i can pretty easily do these two cornes in one drift without manji. but 500 hp or more are good to have at this track. especially if you want to do tandem you have to correct your line often so alot of power is needed. i usually drift inline 6s with 600 hp or more so this is no problem for me but people who like cars like the s13... i'm not sure if every driver could get used to this high speed drift track.

 

[jimy281090]

can i ask why no Manji-ing? but turn 4 and 5 are most definately linkable!.. i can do it in my 500bhp 370Z (Z34) with no problem.. it just involves the perfect line and power out of turn 4...

 

[HKSD1]

i don't know if it's caused by more power but i can pretty easily do these two cornes in one drift without manji. but 500 hp or more are good to have at this track. especially if you want to do tandem you have to correct your line often so alot of power is needed. i usually drift inline 6s with 600 hp or more so this is no problem for me but people who like cars like the s13... i'm not sure if every driver could get used to this high speed drift track.

i really gotta see it with my own eyes in order to believe it.

 

[Gonales]

I dont know where you saw ther rule of no Manji'ing allowed, so... and second of all, arent we using the tracks that are voted for? Suzuka is lowest on the list, and Suzuka could be first ssector as well...

 

[TwinturboCH]

can i ask why no Manji-ing?

Because it looks rubbish in Tsuisou because the following driver has to drop back to allow the lead car to manji. It looks aweful to spectators.

but turn 4 and 5 are most definately linkable!.. i can do it in my 500bhp 370Z (Z34) with no problem.. it just involves the perfect line and power out of turn 4...

Exactly.

Besides which, I think the main point we need to address is that, given that the track is announced before the competition takes place, if people pick a car which doesn't have sufficient power to link the track, who's fault is that?

It's not like this is real life where you build a drift car and you're stuck with it. This is GT, we've all got garages with anything from a few to dozens of drift cars, so if one car can't link it, pick another....

 

[HKSD1]

can i ask why no Manji-ing? but turn 4 and 5 are most definately linkable!.. i can do it in my 500bhp 370Z (Z34) with no problem.. it just involves the perfect line and power out of turn 4...

about turn 4-5 as i said i need to see it to believe it

and why no manji-ing section? where are the clipping points on this manji section? if there are no apex then that's just free style down the straight, creating your own imaginary clipping points.

there are no standards for manji-ing, therefore there's no standards in judging.
on the other hand a corner has its own standards, clipping point, line, speed.

manji-ing sections are great for viewing pleasure but hardly useful or appropriate for competitions.

 

[HKSD1]

I dont know where you saw ther rule of no Manji'ing allowed, so... and second of all, arent we using the tracks that are voted for? Suzuka is lowest on the list, and Suzuka could be first ssector as well...

if manji-ing is your definition of linking then we are talking about totally different things.

i'm talking about a single drift that connects a few corners together

seems to me you are talking about doing multiple transitions to connect corners together.

we aren't even close to talking about the same things


EDIT: i didn't say manji-ing is not allow, but having a manji-ing section for free styling is just not appropriate. you can't judge something that a judge has no standards in judging.

 

[Gonales]

if manji-ing is your definition of linking then we are talking about totally different things.

i'm talking about a single drift that connects a few corners together

seems to me you are talking about doing multiple transitions to connect corners together.

we aren't even close to talking about the same things

I know Manji'ing isnt linking... Then again, if other people can link stuff, we should be able to as well. So, gl trying that.

 

[HKSD1]

I know Manji'ing isnt linking... Then again, if other people can link stuff, we should be able to as well. So, gl trying that.

as i said until i see it on a server or a replay or something, then i'll believe it.

 

[TwinturboCH]

but having a manji-ing section for free styling is just not appropriate. you can't judge something that a judge has no standards in judging.

That's nothing to do with the reasons why manji'ing is not done in competition. You can easily apply set criteria to a manji without difficulty. Easiest way is to create rear clipping points that the drivers must get the rear bumper over. Easy peasy.

The reason is, as I said above, it is impossible to have close battles as the following car has to completely drop back in order to allow the front car to swing back and forth. Hence it looks boring.

 

[TwinturboCH]

as i said until i see it on a server or a replay or something, then i'll believe it.

I'd be happy to oblige on the Indy front You going to be on in an hour and a half or so?

 

[HKSD1]

That's nothing to do with the reasons why manji'ing is not done in competition. You can easily apply set criteria to a manji without difficulty. Easiest way is to create rear clipping points that the drivers must get the rear bumper over. Easy peasy.

The reason is, as I said above, it is impossible to have close battles as the following car has to completely drop back in order to allow the front car to swing back and forth. Hence it looks boring.

what you are saying is easier said then done. to create clipping points, we require cones or some cars in gt5 terms.

i had several occasion getting just 1 judge and 1 other competitor to be on server on my run or even no judge at all.

and anyhow, if somehow there is a clipping point system that works on a manji section then i dont see why i will go against it, but before then it's not applicable.

 

[HKSD1]

I'd be happy to oblige on the Indy front You going to be on in an hour and a half or so?

i'm on right now and i might be on later too

 

[SKR-Kaizer]

Why don't we do the reverse version of the Tsukuba D1 section?
I used to do tandem on that section in Forza 3(but on Tsukuba short), and it works really well

 

[Gonales]

Why don't we do the reverse version of the Tsukuba D1 section?
I used to do tandem on that section in Forza 3(but on Tsukuba short), and it works really well

Definately agreed. great track

 

[DrifTa-AJV]

after i did some demo runs on the layouts, i found a few flaws in them.

and excuse my noob-ness, but have anyone notice that it's nearly impossible to link turn 4-5 on indy#2?? infact most of the layouts results in straighten at some point or unlinkable without straighten or manji.

Sorry guys have to agree with Sai on this 1 i sat here for 4 hrs trying to attempt this witha 550hp chaser and rx7 but it is near impossible. Not saying it cant be done but i would love to see someone do it 2 times in a row or consistant enough. to me the roads just not wide enough and even if you do get it ill put money on it that you straighten on the next straight

 

[DrifTa-AJV]

Sorry for the double post but now that i think about it the end of turn 4 is enough for this track layout just my opinion but i feel the clipping points from turn 3-4 are pretty challanging as it is.
I am sure many of us would struggle just to get corner 4 right and thats hitting the clipping point.

 

[HKSD1]

Sorry guys have to agree with Sai on this 1 i sat here for 4 hrs trying to attempt this witha 550hp chaser and rx7 but it is near impossible. Not saying it cant be done but i would love to see someone do it 2 times in a row or consistant enough. to me the roads just not wide enough and even if you do get it ill put money on it that you straighten on the next straight

in attempting to link with my 550hp+ BTR, turn 4-5 can be linked almost every lap, but the angle is really small i must say.

 

[DrifTa-AJV]

Well obviously I need to keep practicing lol

 

[Hayden]

Why don't we do the reverse version of the Tsukuba D1 section?
I used to do tandem on that section in Forza 3(but on Tsukuba short), and it works really well

You mean this one?

Note orange is the end according to a video i saw on youtube of Forza drifting, i however would prefer to include the hairpin... Thoughts Please!

Manji is by no means illegal, but have you either tried tandem Manji? If the drifters are close it usually ends in one flicking or spinning the other. I can see arguments spawning from this so i would prefer not to include long straights and overly wild manji.

The indy section that is so popular is really tricky to link, but with enough speed and a great line it is possible. It is however nearly impossible to link those last corners in a tandem. I know the skill competing though so i am not ruling out the layout. As a previous poster said, you guys will know what track you'll be drifting a whole week before qualifying and as such you should all get plenty of time to practice and pick a suitable ride

 

[jimy281090]

I like Sai's comment on having a car thrown in as a clipping point.. sounds interesting and quite possibly make for a better battle..?