GTPlanet Vintage Tuner Cup Ideas

OK then I'm happy for the '88 cars to be entered but at least on one condition, the race cars still only got to 1980 or whatever it was, no 1981 or higher race cars because how can the people with big powerful American Muscle Cars compete for handling with a low powered Japanese car from the '80s who is much slower but judges wont care because it will "handle" better than the Big powered vehicles which comes back to some tests me and Mafia Boy ran suggesting that Japanese cars weren't much handling better at all, it was just because they were slow, it turned out they were around the same........
 
I agree with those points completely N4HS. Anything post-1980 can only be S3 tyred at best, no race spec cars.

And believe me, testing with the Lotus last night, it proves to be quite fun....a bit of a drift pig but easily fixable, I wanted to play around without TCS and pulled a decent laptime at a couple of tracks, when I was trying to stop being a munji freak at 200km/h!! :mischievous: I almost gave up at one point and was going to advertise it for sale on here. :lol:

And I don't mind saying this fact about the Lotus though, it's performance numbers were pretty good for something with S3 tyres. It's an '80s Zonda in my opinion. :sly:

I'll go the older '83 300ZX next and the Supra after that.

Mafs!!
 
The '83 ZX is somewhat frustrating at full power - wheelspin is EASY, but it's necessary to handle the inline-6 understeer that plagues all the Zeds from the 240 to the Z-31 300. It actually handles remarkably similarly to the 3.0 Supra, which isn't surprising considering their similarities in chassis design, motor, and drivetrain.

And yeah you're right about the Esprit, I have one in proper 007-white that I've been playing with for several months now that is a MONSTER. Tail-happy? Yes ... but SO much fun, and capable of shockingly fast laps.
 
CraftyLandShark
The '83 ZX is somewhat frustrating at full power - wheelspin is EASY, but it's necessary to handle the inline-6 understeer that plagues all the Zeds from the 240 to the Z-31 300. It actually handles remarkably similarly to the 3.0 Supra, which isn't surprising considering their similarities in chassis design, motor, and drivetrain.
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Umm....they have a totally different engine design to the Supra. Z31's were actually a SOHC V6 turbo, 1 cam per bank (VG30ET). :) They stopped using the inline 6 in the 280ZX with the 2.8L L Series (L28) SOHC motor.

The Supra 7M-GTE is a DOHC motor and is an inline 6. Just thought you'd like to know that. :sly:
 
Yes the motors are different technically, I realize that. I specifically referenced handling - they're front-mounted rather powerful six-cylinder engines, both hanging over the front axle, thereby generating similar handling chararacteristics considering the similar shape.
 
See I told you we needed a thread for this stuff, 4 pages already :sly: I just can't wait to watch my C1 Vette blow everyone out of the water, it's so damn quick but easy to drive, nearly impossible to make mistakes. It evens turns the monstrous Nurburgring into a playful puppy.
 
OK minichris502, some supercharged entries may do well in this challenge but I need to make a suggestion, turn off driving aids completely or you will come last every time, and why you're at it- just a friendly tip- there's no points lost for money spent on the car, buy more parts that will help it perform better such as LSD. A more extensive set-up may help as well as you get points for improvement over stock, only altering ride height and damper strength may not be good enough. You're up against some of the best so give it your best.;)
 
I drove that C1 Vette today NDH4S... it IS a killer! With a 15 minute quick-tune It VERY slightly outran my Elan across GVS, but like any proud parent, I still think my Elan is better :sly: Still debating what other divisions to enter though - If Greycap plans to enter a full-blown Stratos Rally Car in the racecar division, I'm not sure my roadgoing rebuild to Le Mans turbo stats would be sufficient. My prime candidates for late sixties/early seventies were the Europa and Alpine, which now both will likely show up from MFT as well (you guys are too effin' prolific!). Mafia already has a lock on the Esprit HC as well ... argh.
 
I don't care, go for it aswell in the Lotus dude. :) I'd love to go against your tuner with my tuner, and then pinch what I think's applicable to my tuner and use it. :P jk.
To be honest CLS, most of you guys will own me in handling tuning, mainly because I have a 1 handling set fits all car philosiphy (and it works for me) and you are all tuning freaks compared to myself!! :dopey: But I'll have most of you in ratio tuning and gearing the cars for each track....my times on the 1/4 mile and 1000m are my reason for it, and they're the only reasons I can be competitive in this contest I think. :mischievous: But don't let the car worry you, it's the driver that should worry ya's. :sly:
N4HS and I have pretty similar times on our test track from our comparo on the American v Japanese test so I know he's going to be good direct competition for me, I wonder where the 2 of us will stack up against the rest of ya's.

Mafs!!
 
Maybe I still will enter a GNX, I'm always tossing between doing it and not doing it, I'll have to run some preliminary tests to see if it is plausible or not. CraftyLandShark, I'd be happy to exchange lap times as you already think mine may be quicker, by PM if you're interested. At GVS, just send me a PM if you like.
 
My Celica is almost ready to tackle the pre-1973 events. I'm pretty impressed by the car at the moment after 15 minutes of quick tuning. The race tyres help, but there's a few tricks up this pony's sleeve I've noticed. It loves to rev, even with a turbo on it too. :D

My main problem now is do I sacrifice Stage 3 weight for body restore?? :yuck: I want both but can't fit it within budget.

Mafs!!
 
Kent's told me he's looking over the cars and divisions and whatnot - when he finishes that, and when the current challenge finishes up, we'll start organizing all the rules and whatnot into a single spot. Until then, it seems best just to bounce ideas around as I don't think anything is firm yet.
 
I was just using that original $150k budget that we first mentioned on here, I think it was in that other thread where it was mentioned.

Just completed a run around the 'ring on Family Cup and it's quick enough to compete. :) Some stats of my Celica:

1/4 mile (circuit tune) - 14.2's@165km/h
1000m (circuit tune) - 25.7's@209-210km/h
Top Speed - 242km/h unassisted & 250km/h slipstream.

Not a world beater on the straight line, but that's not the reason I race it. :)

Mafs!!
 
count in the blacksheep tuner. i have a GTA i'm building in real life and one's cousin (88iroc) i'll throw to the masses in this challenge, s3's are my domain anyways.


maybe two camaro's, a 1st gen and a 3rd, though i'll be pushing the '88 as a trans am GTA despite it being a chevy and not a pontiac in game. i allready have a great z/28 i'd like to match wits with.
 
Heh, blacksheep tuner, almost has a ring to it, but I know- not to be talked about. At least I'm not the only one entering real muscle in this :sly:

Edit: Oh I can't wait any longer, it's bursting out- my C1 Corvette lap time at GVS is a 1.53.437. I haven't witnessed many if any cars that can pull these times on Sport tyres in this power category or at all really. I've done a few different cars on sport tyres lately that have almost 200-300hp extra and can't manage that quick. I'm so proud of this car. CraftyLandShark, if you're Elan is almost as quick I can't wait to drive it.👍 Game on!
 
well, I have splendidly handling Z/28 Camaro with 520bhp, on S3's.. and some other surprises. some can be seen on MFT, some can't.. :mischievous:
 
It turns out my GNX will see the light of day after all, it's not the quickest though, not by a long shot, it porbably won't even come close to the best handling (for the judges to decide) but what the hell, why not.
 
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Heh, blacksheep tuner, almost has a ring to it, but I know- not to be talked about. At least I'm not the only one entering real muscle in this :sly:

Edit: Oh I can't wait any longer, it's bursting out- my C1 Corvette lap time at GVS is a 1.53.437. I haven't witnessed many if any cars that can pull these times on Sport tyres in this power category or at all really. I've done a few different cars on sport tyres lately that have almost 200-300hp extra and can't manage that quick. I'm so proud of this car. CraftyLandShark, if you're Elan is almost as quick I can't wait to drive it.👍 Game on!
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Haha I'm afraid my Elan isn't QUITE that quick. My quicktune on the C1, I didn't realize til now, was on S2's :dunce: I will say the Elan comes in comfortably under two minutes though.
 
Well, I tried the Celica out on R2's (as keeping with the race car theme) and went alright around Trial Mountain, around the 1.35 mark compared to 1.45's at stock....plus I looped the 'ring under the 8 minute barrier.

S3's look very comparable to the R2's around most corners, just a bit more understeer at high speeds on the S3's but nothing too noticable. I'm going to retry on S3's tonight after dinner.

Mafs!!
 
CraftyLandShark
Haha I'm afraid my Elan isn't QUITE that quick. My quicktune on the C1, I didn't realize til now, was on S2's :dunce: I will say the Elan comes in comfortably under two minutes though.
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Still, you have a lot less power I understand so it should be a real hoot to drive if it can go that quick, must handle awesome and will probably beat me in the eyes of the judges for that, not that the C1 doesn't handle awesomely.

Well, I tried the Celica out on R2's (as keeping with the race car theme) and went alright around Trial Mountain, around the 1.35 mark compared to 1.45's at stock....plus I looped the 'ring under the 8 minute barrier.

S3's look very comparable to the R2's around most corners, just a bit more understeer at high speeds on the S3's but nothing too noticable. I'm going to retry on S3's tonight after dinner.

Mafs!!
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Why R2s, you're allowed R3s.

I have an E-type Jag cooking in the background.
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I was waiting for someone to say that car, knew it would pop up eventually.
 
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Still, you have a lot less power I understand so it should be a real hoot to drive if it can go that quick, must handle awesome and will probably beat me in the eyes of the judges for that, not that the C1 doesn't handle awesomely.
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I don't know, that C1 is SHOCKINGLY capable through the twisties, even on my roughshod tune, so I think it'll be a TOUGH competition. I can't think of anything else in that era that could possibly match either the C1 or the Elan for pure track composure. My Elan reminds me a lot of my S2000 tuner challenge entry though, but without the bog-down at low revs, so we shall see! I do have to say though, I think PD may have given the C1 a too-glowing treatment - I can't see an L-6 solid axle cornering quite that well, but I could be wrong - it WAS targeted at the Jag XK120 market.

Also glad to see there's an E-type showing up, no classics event would be complete without one. You DO like those long-nosed hatch-coupes, CC!:sly:

<edit> Mafs, is your Celica for the race category, or for its respective year-model category? If it's for the race category, R2's would def. be appropriate.
 
CraftyLandShark
Mafs, is your Celica for the race category, or for its respective year-model category? If it's for the race category, R2's would def. be appropriate.
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Both. I've got a race tune and road tune for it. :sly: Road tune is less than 3 seconds slower on Trial Mountain (S3 tyres).

Added bit: I thought it was R2's. Geez, Holden lovers.......they're always that little bit slower. :lol:
 
The C1 Corvette has indeed been overglorified pretty heavily, the most glaring thing is that it has better brakes than any of the modern cars even as stock and I dare to say that a car that weighs more than a late model NSX doesn't stop like that on drum brakes borrowed from everyday cars of the time. "Required a great deal of effort as well as clear roadway to bring to a stop" is what Wikipedia says about it. Something isn't exactly right here.

But whatever, it may well be its own worst enemy if the handling is compared to the handling to the stock version. This is just a game, let's play it as a game.
 

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