GTP's Hot Version Touge Showdown

[Rotary Junkie]

Do both?

Give your objective thoughts as well as subjective, but separate them.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Yeah, both subject and object, the fairest of all

 

[SolidSnake7735]

Yeah, both subject and object, the fairest of all

I expect nothing less.

 

[robrabbitman]

GTP's Hot Version - Touge Showdown Round 2 Touge 300 Results
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All tests were performed with ABS 1 and offline with grip reduction on real.

Ratings are primarily based on driving feel as well as sector time.

Ratings -
Poor > Fair > Average > Good > Excellent
Mild > Moderate > Severe
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Slender_Man - Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI spec C Type RA '05

Sector Time: 32.000

Impressions: Wooow! I thought Onboy's Impreza was excellent, but this car is next level. This car feels better than Onboy's in the corners because it rotates just a little better. This car is the beast of the Touge 300, no doubt. This car does just about everything well. The only thing I didn't like about the car was the transmission. It was a little too short to keep the car in the powerband throughout the main straight, and I found myself shifting more than I thought I needed to in order to stay in it. Otherwise, this car is great. Top notch, right along with Onboy's spec C. Onboy deserves credit for his superb base tune. This is the car I would drive if I wanted to beat someone into oblivion with just 300 horses on tap.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent rotation
-Execllent engine
-Excellent LSD
-Excellent suspension
-Excellent brakes

Cons:
-Slightly short transmission

Score: 100

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DCybertron - Ford RS200 '84

Sector Time: 33.400

Impressions: Wow, an old rally car! The car grips well. The car also accelerates well if you short shift... Wait a second! Topping out at 130?! Hm... The car felt a little soft and forgiving, which was nice. But the car didn't really feel like it wanted to turn while on the gas. I think tuning the LSD could have made this car turn a little better and probably would have made it faster. The brakes were also kind of weak... I noticed I could brake a lot later than in other cars, but only because I was going slower than them. The car is nice to drive but it tops out way too soon for Akina, and probably any track that has a straight longer than a quarter mile. If the transmission, LSD, and brakes were improved, this car could have easily landed a 97.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent engine
-Excellent suspension

Cons:
-Short transmission
-Stock LSD
-Average brakes

Score: 95

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SAPPH - Honda S2000 '06

Sector Time: 32.683

Impressions: Grip! This car grips like an angry Chihuahua on your heels! The engine was smooth and responsive; it's just what the F22C should be! The transmission was very good, but had room for improvements as there were times where I couldn't downshift when I wanted to without hitting the rev limiter. The car feels very planted and stable, and that inspires a lot of confidence. However, it runs very tight and can understeer a bit when pushed to its limits. There is never any wheelspin to speak of. The car could benefit from some softer spring rates and a revised transmission. This would be a great car for a beginner to practice touge in. This car gets my Special Award for being an amazingly easy, fast, fun, and stylish car.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent engine
-Excellent LSD
-Excellent suspension
-Excellent stability
-Confidence inspiring

Cons:
-Mild understeer
-Slightly awkward transmission

Score: 99

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robrabbitman - Subaru Impreza WRX STI '07

Sector Time: 32.250

Impressions: My own car. I will try my best to sound objective and as unbiased as possible. The cars grips well, as naturally expected from an AWD. The rotation is great off throttle, but is a little lacking while on it. The 6 speed close-ratio works great with this car and track, but anything longer than the main straight at Akina and you'll be losing out. The LSD is great for keeping the lift-off oversteer in control and keeping the car glued to the road. The suspension is great but can cause a bit of understeer at times if you are lead-footed. The car brakes excellently; this is a trait I find on a lot of modern Subarus. The car is great, but it is not as excellent as Slender's nor Onboy's, nor is it as fast around the entire course as either.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent engine
-Excellent transmission
-Excellent LSD
-Excellent suspension
-Excellent brakes

Cons:
-Mild understeer

Score: 99

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TanJaM92 - Mazda Mazdaspeed Atenza '05

Sector Time: 33.450

Impressions: A Mazdaspeed Atenza.. what's the difference between this and a normal FF Atenza? I'm not sure. This car has excellent grip, but understeers a lot. I tried my hardest to run this car quickly, but the understeer made it very difficult. Nevertheless, there were some things I really liked about the car. It had great grip on the road and the engine/transmission combo was smooth. The LSD was very good as well, providing no slip on or off throttle. The car also braked excellently. This car would have been much better had the understeer been tuned out. I think the car does not need the wing and its handling suffers because it has one. It makes the car difficult to drive and harder to drive fast. If the wing was removed, I think this car would have rotated a lot better.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent engine
-Excellent transmission
-Excellent LSD
-Excellent suspension
-Excellent brakes

Cons:
-Severe understeer
-Unnecessary wing

Score: 94

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Onboy123 - Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI spec C '04

Sector Time: 32.133

Impressions: This car is.. insane. It just grips the tarmac. There's no drama. There's no fight. This is a pilot's car, the kind of car that you take around a track and think "I can do better than that." after a hot lap. The transmission is nice for keeping the car in the powerband. This car accelerates quickly and feels light and nimble. It pushes a little when the tyres are cold, but once the car is warmed up it obeys your every whimsical command. It has just a tad of understeer when on cold tyres, and rotates excellently when they’re warm. This is a top notch tune. Onboy really knows how to teach an old dog new tricks.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent rotation
-Excellent engine
-Excellent transmission
-Excellent LSD
-Excellent suspension
-Excellent brakes

Cons:
-None

Score: 100

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Ridox2JZGTE - Nissan Skyline GTS25 Type S (R32) '91

Sector Time: 33.584

Impressions: This car was quite an interesting drive; it was enjoyable but required a little more concentration to get my corners right. The car's LSD is good, but a little weak, so sometimes the inside wheel slips. The suspension is pretty good but I could feel the car struggling to turn sometimes. I also needed to brake a little harder than I thought I needed to as well, so I didn't feel confident in late braking at all. The transmission was a little weird; I don't think I ever used 5th gear. The car was enjoyable but wasn't very fast. It would be a lot better with a tuned gearbox. And it sounds like a Corvette! How on earth?

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent engine

Cons:
-Moderate understeer
-Stock gearbox
-Average LSD
-Average brakes

Score: 95

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Winters Noble - Acura NSX '91

Sector Time: 33.450

Impressions: Ahh, the NSX. Honda/Acura's beautiful V6 supercar. This car handles very well. It always got around corners just the way I wanted it to. However, I did notice some lift-off oversteer in some corners and the outside front tyres glowing, and some exit oversteer, both of which could be bad for a novice in an MR such as this. This car stopped nicely and had a neutral balance, which was great for weight transferring. The transmission was excellent as well and provided excellent acceleration for the power the car has. This car could be a little faster if it lost a little more weight, but it’s great on the touge and for cruising.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent rotation
-Excellent transmission
-Good LSD
-Excellent suspension
-Excellent brakes

Cons:
-Lift-off oversteer

Score: 97

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Jackthalad - Mazda Efini RX-7 Type R (FD) '91

Sector Time: 32.633

Impressions: This car has insane acceleration! It's jaw dropping! I reached 147 on the main straight, whereas all my other cars hit about 142. The engine was superb; it was responsive, smooth, and torquey. The transmission was also great; a 5 speed is always good for a classic Japanese car. The suspension was also very good and allowed for excellent rotation. However, the LSD could have been improved. It allows for a little too much spin which slows down corner exits quite a bit and leaves me feeling a bit unconfident about touching the gas. Nevertheless, I really enjoyed the car even though it was kind of a handful. This is definitely not for the novice touge driver, but great in the hands of a master.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent rotation
-Excellent acceleration
-Excellent transmission
-Excellent suspension
-Excellent brakes

Cons:
-Exit oversteer

Score: 97

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Korza - Honda S2000 '01

Sector Time: 32.433

Impressions: A lovely S2000. This car is simply perfect! It’s fast, it’s easy to drive, and it sounds great! There’s lots of grip and I always felt confident in the car’s abilities. It rotates perfectly and never steps out of line. The engine and transmission are smooth in providing excellent acceleration and torque. The LSD prevents lift-off oversteer and keeps the S2000’s playful rear end in line. The suspension allows the car to hug the road and absorb the bumps in it. This car reminds me of what an M3 should be. This is an excellent driver’s car.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent rotation
-Excellent engine
-Excellent transmission
-Excellent LSD
-Excellent suspension
-Excellent brakes

Cons:
-None

Score: 100

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krenkme - Toyota 86 GT '12

Sector Time: 32.083

Impressions: The first 86 GT! This car feels pretty good; it just feels well-tuned. There is plenty of grip to go around, but sometimes it gets a little squirrely on corner exit. The transmission is excellent and is just a tad bit longer than the course needs, which would be excellent for the tracks that are longer than Akina. The LSD probably could have used a bit of refinement to rid the car of that exit oversteer, but was otherwise great. The suspension worked great with the chassis and allowed the car to turn sharply and flatly. The car comes to a stop excellently and proves to be a big strong point for this car. I only noticed a bit of mild understeer and some exit oversteer on a few corners. The car is safe, stable, and reliable.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent acceleration
-Excellent engine
-Excellent transmission
-Excellent LSD
-Excellent suspension
-Excellent brakes

Cons:
-Mild understeer

Score: 98

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VTiRoj - Scion FR-S '12

Sector Time: 32.150

Impressions: The 86 GT's American brother. This car felt a little better to me than krenkme's because it rotated a little more. There was a lot of grip, but it is not as planted as the 86s. The transmission was great, but both 86s' felt faster and smoother. The LSD and suspension work in harmony to provide excellent grip and rotation. My only gripe with this car was the brake balance. It felt difficult trying to trailbrake and maintain stability because I'd get a little bit of oversteer. The car feels and drives great and was quite fast, but I couldn’t always be confident in my braking.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent rotation
-Excellent acceleration
-Excellent engine
-Excellent transmission
-Excellent LSD
-Excellent suspension

Cons:
-Brake balance

Score: 98

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fbccars924 – Mazda RX-7 GT-X (FC) ‘90

Sector Time: 33.467

Impressions: An old FC! What a beautiful car. This car feels a little odd. It turns nicely but the LSD just kills the cornering confidence. The car has a nice, smooth, torquey engine and a nice and long transmission paired with it. The suspension is soft and causes a bit of understeer but is otherwise great. The problems start with the LSD and the brakes. The car’s LSD is set to basically create exit oversteer in every corner and that killed my cornering speed and confidence a lot. The brakes were set too low (ABS 0 balance?) and caused very long stopping distances. The car needs brake and LSD improvements.

Pros:
-Good grip
-Excellent acceleration
-Excellent transmission
-Excellent suspension

Cons:
-Exit oversteer
-Fair brakes

Score: 95

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Hei – Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R32) ‘91

Sector Time: 32.600

Impressions: Ah, the only GT-R in the competition. This car grips the road well and has an excellent engine and transmission. Even with this combo, the car is quite a slow accelerator. The car’s LSD is excellent and allows the car to put the power down well. The car really doesn’t like to go around corners while not on the gas, however. It hardly rotates and just kind of slowly goes in the direction you want it to. Turn in is excellent but it struggles around the middle of the corners. The car stops very reliably and quickly. The car would feel a lot better with some more camber and maybe some higher ARBs.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent engine
-Excellent transmission
-Excellent LSD
-Excellent brakes

Cons:
-Mild understeer
-Average acceleration

Score: 97

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SolidSnake7735 – Nissan Silvia K’s DIA Selection (S13) ‘90

Sector Time: 33.533

Impressions: The car grips okay. The engine is good and torquey, but the transmission is awkward if you don't know that you're supposed to short shift, but the car accelerates excellently if you do. The LSD is weak because it allows way too much corner exit wheelspin. The car also doesn’t rotate too well off the throttle. The car brakes decently, but it only feels average. The car has way too much wheelspin to feel confident accelerating around corners. If this was improved, the car would feel a lot better. The car just feels playful and not very fast.

Pros:
-Good grip.
-Excellent engine
-Excellent transmission
-Excellent acceleration
-Good brakes

Cons:
-Exit oversteer
-Mild understeer

Score: 96

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Optomoscrime – Mazda Roadster RS (NC) ‘07

Sector Time: 32.483

Impressions: This little car is pretty fast! It accelerates like a rocket! It also grips the road pretty well, with excellent rotation. The engine is excellent, as is the transmission, but it’s way too long for Akina. The car’s LSD is a little weak and allows a bit of inside wheelspin, kind of like Ridox’s R32. The suspension is great and feels smooth and responsive to inputs. The brakes were a little weak, as I had to stop a lot earlier than I thought was necessary to clear some corners. This car just feels like a fast go-kart and I love it.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent rotation
-Excellent engine
-Excellent tansmission
-Excellent suspension

Cons:
-Average LSD
-Average brakes

Score: 98

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BobbyBRAKEaNek – BMW 330i ‘05

Sector Time: 33.084

Impressions: This car turns really well! There’s a lot of rotation here. The engine is excellent but the car accelerates kind of slowly compared to the other cars. The transmission is a little short for this track, but it’ll do. The LSD allows for a bit of corner exit wheelspin, but the suspension works well on this track. The brakes are excellent on this car as well. This car is great but needs the LSD set down a tad to improve confidence. And.. don't even get me started on the exhaust note. It sounds like a ricey Honda!

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent rotation
-Excellent engine
-Good transmission
-Good LSD
-Excellent suspension
-Excellent brakes

Cons:
-Exit oversteer

Score: 98

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Rotary Junkie – Toyota 86 GT ‘12

Sector Time: 32.200

Impressions: This car hangs on to the road excellently! The engine is also smooth and responsive and has plenty of torque to go around. The transmission is excellent and smooth shifting and suits the car on this track perfectly. The stock LSD surprised me because it works really well for this car, but allows a tad of exit oversteer to add to the car's playful nature. The suspension is tight but feels great. The car brakes excellently and surprisingly feels better than Roj's, but I can't put my finger on why. This car is solid but not quite as fast as the other two 86's.

Pros:
-Excellent grip
-Excellent acceleration
-Excellent engine
-Excellent transmission
-Excellent LSD
-Excellent suspension
-Excellent brakes

Cons:
-Slightly tight suspension

Score: 99


Thanks to everyone who participated! This was a really great season and there was quite a good turnout compared to T200. Hopefully TMax will be just as great! 👍

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I'm surprised on a number of fronts actually.

First surprise was the Pretzels doing so well on entertainment value. I had doubts based around the fact they're AWD and generally drama-free, but absolutely no doubt about their pace.

Second, the pace of the 86 GANG! overall. From less than a tenth off the fastest to two tenths off fastest is absolutely shocking to me considering the time gap between a 300hp Impreza and a 300hp BreezeFrees86 at Trial (the 86s won't break out of the 38s with me using a DS3 whereas an Impreza or FD would do mid-36s all day), most of which is surprisingly due to cornering speeds (the 86s aren't huge on grip).

Third, my car being the slowest 86. It should have been the fastest; it's got the best powerplant and probably the best gearing if they were to line up at a drag strip... But it's also naturally biased towards mild understeer while the other two are (based on looking at setups) built to be slightly oversteery and loose = fast is true right until you have to countersteer because of it. Hmm.

I think I might stay up slightly late tonight to work on a TMax non-R35.

 

[robrabbitman]

I'm surprised on a number of fronts actually.

First surprise was the Pretzels doing so well on entertainment value. I had doubts based around the fact they're AWD and generally drama-free, but absolutely no doubt about their pace.

Second, the pace of the 86 GANG! overall. From less than a tenth off the fastest to two tenths off fastest is absolutely shocking to me considering the time gap between a 300hp Impreza and a 300hp BreezeFrees86 at Trial (the 86s won't break out of the 38s with me using a DS3 whereas an Impreza or FD would do mid-36s all day), most of which is surprisingly due to cornering speeds (the 86s aren't huge on grip).

Third, my car being the slowest 86. It should have been the fastest; it's got the best powerplant and probably the best gearing if they were to line up at a drag strip... But it's also naturally biased towards mild understeer while the other two are (based on looking at setups) built to be slightly oversteery and loose = fast is true right until you have to countersteer because of it. Hmm.

I think I might stay up slightly late tonight to work on a TMax non-R35.

Onboy's and Slender's Imprezas were excellent in keeping me entertained due to how crazy fast they were. I didn't honestly think my car was that great. The GT86s were on average about 2 seconds slower around the entirety of Akina, but they kept up excellently on the sector time. They were on par with my Impreza overall. I tired a few times to get a faster lap in your car but the fastest I could muster was a 32.200 and I'm not sure why. It had excellent torque and crazy acceleration but I couldn't get it around quite as fast. Overall, all three were excellent and I enjoyed driving your car the most because it was a blend of krenkme's stability with Roj's speed. I already know what I'm going to enter for TMax because I'm only competing with Onboy. It's only got 530-so horses and it's a 550PP AWD monster.

Were my results alright? They were repetitive and just kind of objective, but I tried to do each car justice.

 

[Onboy123]

Argh…I said this before, but to be beaten by a tweaked version of an old tune is just so…so…so unbearably embarrassing and it's pissing me off infinitely more than any R35.

So, after 6 months, I've gone backwards, it seems. Anyway, Rob's seen the next steps I've taken on the Impreza, but it's only going to do so much…anyway, I'm glad you liked it, but you sure it wasn't just a bit too stubborn turning in?

And yes, We'll have our own TMax battle, 530hp Impreza v Evo very soon.

By the way, Mat, can we haz our hybrid battle as an extra to T300/TMax?

 

[Mat123]

It's great, Rob! 👍

All I have to do now is wait for Slender's, and finalize mine. BTW, do you happen to have a replica of Korza's S2000? If so, could you put it on share?

EDIT: Yeah, Onboy. I'll try to see if I could make it an extra for T300.

 

[robrabbitman]

Argh…I said this before, but to be beaten by a tweaked version of an old tune is just so…so…so unbearably embarrassing and it's pissing me off infinitely more than any R35.

So, after 6 months, I've gone backwards, it seems. Anyway, Rob's seen the next steps I've taken on the Impreza, but it's only going to do so much…anyway, I'm glad you liked it, but you sure it wasn't just a bit too stubborn turning in?

And yes, We'll have our own TMax battle, 530hp Impreza v Evo very soon.

By the way, Mat, can we haz our hybrid battle as an extra to T300/TMax?

I don't think it has to do with your tune, but the car itself. I think the newer chassis is just naturally faster by a little bit.

The next steps? Imitating my LSD? The car was perfectly fine throughout corners. It performed excellently but Slender's just felt a tad bit better. If anything, your car just seemed kind of tight in comparison.

I'm looking forward to it. I'm sure your Impreza will dominate the Evo, as they naturally do in this game.

It's great, Rob! 👍

All I have to do now is wait for Slender's, and finalize mine. BTW, do you happen to have a replica of Korza's S2000? If so, could you put it on share?

Do you need it now? I'm supposed to be in bed. If you can wait until the morning, I can have it up.

 

[Mat123]

I don't think it has to do with your tune, but the car itself. I think the newer chassis is just naturally faster by a little bit.

The next steps? Imitating my LSD? The car was perfectly fine throughout corners. It performed excellently but Slender's just felt a tad bit better. If anything, your car just seemed kind of tight in comparison.

I'm looking forward to it. I'm sure your Impreza will dominate the Evo, as they naturally do in this game.



Do you need it now? I'm supposed to be in bed. If you can wait until the morning, I can have it up.

I'm not in a hurry. Go get some rest.

 

[fbccars924]

I know I'm no where near a top 5 but I am actually quite pleasantly surprised at the results. I will admit I hadn't changed the LSD from the Original Drift Setting that I started my first FC with. I will work on my LSD settings for next season. I will warn my Viper is also a drifty beast as well.


edit: also I tuned both with a DS3 controller.

 

[Korza]

By the way, Mat, can we haz our hybrid battle as an extra to T300/TMax?

You can probably count me out of the battle for now.

It's great, Rob! 👍

All I have to do now is wait for Slender's, and finalize mine. BTW, do you happen to have a replica of Korza's S2000? If so, could you put it on share?

I'll make sure I accept your FR as soon as I got home from work. 👍

I think the biggest surprise for me is the fact that my S2000 managed to score a 100.

 

[Mat123]

You can probably count me out of the battle for now.



I'll make sure I accept your FR as soon as I got home from work. 👍

I think the biggest surprise for me is the fact that my S2000 managed to score a 100.

We'll see if it could average a 100.

Also, I was surprised I managed to lose only by a second to Onboy.

 

[Onboy123]

You can probably count me out of the battle for now.



I'll make sure I accept your FR as soon as I got home from work. 👍

I think the biggest surprise for me is the fact that my S2000 managed to score a 100.

We did it already. The Impreza won, both cars were running 75% power so that no one was killed.

Yea, was Rob high or something?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

T Max with hybrid only ? How about my Akio's Devil Z against Takumi's AE86 . I just built Honda AP2 S2000 '06 with F20C and Twin Turbo conversion + AP1 stock 6 speed ratio , with only ECU + Sports Air Filter + Titanium Racing Exhaust = 400PS/9000rpm and 239 ft lb /8500rpm for 494PP. Brand new no oil change.

 

[Mat123]

T Max with hybrid only ? How about my Akio's Devil Z against Takumi's AE86 . I just built Honda AP2 S2000 '06 with F20C and Twin Turbo conversion + AP1 stock 6 speed ratio , with only ECU + Sports Air Filter + Titanium Racing Exhaust = 400PS/9000rpm and 239 ft lb /8500rpm for 494PP. Brand new no oil change.

Hurrrrrr. Twin Turbo.

 

[robrabbitman]

I know I'm no where near a top 5 but I am actually quite pleasantly surprised at the results. I will admit I hadn't changed the LSD from the Original Drift Setting that I started my first FC with. I will work on my LSD settings for next season. I will warn my Viper is also a drifty beast as well.


edit: also I tuned both with a DS3 controller.

I would have loved the car a lot more if the LSD acceleration sensitivity was down to about 13. It felt great but I had a hard time putting the power down.

I tested with a DS3.

I think the biggest surprise for me is the fact that my S2000 managed to score a 100.

I loved the car, honestly. It was just such a perfect feeling. It let me feel everything it was doing and it responded perfectly to my every input. Like I said, it's a great driver's car if it's not the fastest.

We did it already. The Impreza won, both cars were running 75% power so that no one was killed.

Yea, was Rob high or something?

We were too slow to see any of that battle. Damned R32s

Nah, I'm innocent, I swear.

 

[Korza]

^ Onboi just feels threatened.

 

[fbccars924]

I would have loved the car a lot more if the LSD acceleration sensitivity was down to about 13. It felt great but I had a hard time putting the power down.

I tested with a DS3.

I had it originally tuned as a drift car so yeah I also have a very "sideways" driving style I guess lol. Even my most grippy tunes have a propensity for drifting.

 

[Onboy123]

^ Onboi just feels threatened.

I messaged you, did I not, on both ARM and on your profile, and did you respond or get on? No. So what the bloody hell does this have to do with me feeling threatened? None.

You missed it, your fault. I told you I can only do that weekend, you didn't show.

Not like you could have got your Cappucino together in time anyway, as it seems.

 

[Korza]

I messaged you, did I not, on both ARM and on your profile, and did you respond or get on? No. So what the bloody hell does this have to do with me feeling threatened? None.

You missed it, your fault. I told you I can only do that weekend, you didn't show.

Not like you could have got your Cappucino together in time anyway, as it seems.

I wasn't talking about the hybrid battle you fool. I was talking about you claiming Rob must've been high to rate my S2000 so highly.

 

[Aesthetics]

I'm surprised at how my rs200 was received. Unfortunately, I think I sacrificed a little too much speed for the acceleration. And I never knew how much an LSD could impact the handling. I'll try it when I'm upgrading it to 500pp.

PS: Is a Dodge Ram legal for TMAX?

 

[fbccars924]

I dont see why it wouldnt be. theyre lettin me run a Viper ACR

 

[SAPPH]

Argh…I said this before, but to be beaten by a tweaked version of an old tune is just so…so…so unbearably embarrassing and it's pissing me off infinitely more than any R35.

So, after 6 months, I've gone backwards, it seems. Anyway, Rob's seen the next steps I've taken on the Impreza, but it's only going to do so much…anyway, I'm glad you liked it, but you sure it wasn't just a bit too stubborn turning in?

And yes, We'll have our own TMax battle, 530hp Impreza v Evo very soon.

By the way, Mat, can we haz our hybrid battle as an extra to T300/TMax?

Wow, +1 for that extra battle. Might enter my NSX Type R with bits here and there.. Hehehehe..

Anyway, that to Rob for a nice review. Quite shock to see my S2000 score a 99. Might change the tuning for that mild understeer. Congrat to anybody who won 100 score especially korza, since only 2 S2000s enter this season.

 

[Onboy123]

That "extra" isn't much, I'll sound really mean, but I did drop the pace on my Impreza a bit since Mat looked like he was about to die if he went 100% for any more than half the track.

 

[SolidSnake7735]

GTP's Hot Version - Touge Showdown Round 2 Touge 300

SolidSnake7735 – Nissan Silvia K’s DIA Selection (S13) ‘90

Sector Time: 33.533

Impressions: The car grips okay. The engine is good and torquey, but the transmission is awkward if you don't know that you're supposed to short shift, but the car accelerates excellently if you do. The LSD is weak because it allows way too much corner exit wheelspin. The car also doesn’t rotate too well off the throttle. The car brakes decently, but it only feels average. The car has way too much wheelspin to feel confident accelerating around corners. If this was improved, the car would feel a lot better. The car just feels playful and not very fast.

Pros:
-Good grip.
-Excellent engine
-Excellent transmission
-Excellent acceleration
-Good brakes

Cons:
-Exit oversteer
-Mild understeer

Score: 96

Frankly, I'm not happy with the time my car set, I'm confident it can go at least 2 tenths faster. But overall, the review and comments were fair. The understeer is an inherent flaw of a dated chassis. The oversteer on exit is a throttle-control issue as it is a fine line between control and out-of-control with this car. I suggest it be driven a gear higher than recommended on almost all corners. It's one of those cars that gets better the more you drive it lol.

That being said, I'm highly satisfied with the setup. Nearly a year of work on a car that began life as a 400PP touge cruiser and evolved to 420, 450 and now it's a 480PP bruiser (480PP without ballast, more exciting that way albeit slower).

I'm really looking forward to the comments on it by Slender and Mat. Also curious how much faster if can go, if at all, in different hands. Now I must back into my cave and scour for a worthy entry for TMAX, I'm thinking 500-600hp.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

A second and a half off the pace of the lead pack and you're worried about two tenths?

Also different drivers and all that.

 

[SolidSnake7735]

A second and a half off the pace of the lead pack and you're worried about two tenths?

Also different drivers and all that.

What? Me worry?

I knew from the getup that my S13 wouldn't keep pace with the Subies and GT86's, so it's not about leading the pack. In the time I was tuning this car I ran it against a plethora of 300hp cars and it fared well. I ran Wynter's car for the first time early this morning (or last night, depending where in the world you are) about 3 times at Akina and it kept up well. I had the uphill advantage and downhill was his. Mid corner we both held equally though driver mistakes (on my part mostly) would cost me the lead time and again. That's probably because Wynter and I know driving styles so well from having ran against each other countless times since LoTS' inception so we know our weaknesses on the road.

Anyway, that's not the point. The real point actually is that I came into this not aiming to win it all but to showcase a bespoke S13 touge setup, since most are wary of that car's many flaws, and to get as much feedback on it as I could garner from the testers. So far, so good. Sector times are but a fraction of the true spirit of touge.

But of course, this is a competition and one must win, all others, myself included, are losers unless there's a special award. Then in that case there are two winners.

Edit: dang, I talk a lot.

 

[fbccars924]

^ I'm actually in a similar boat Plisken. (haha get it) My main intention here was to get an idea of how good I am and how can I improve my tuning. I never truly expected to win, I hoped to fare better, kinda knew I wouldn't win as I am a newcomer to Touge and proper tuning.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I am satisfied with my car result, taken note on the understeer, weak LSD and brake I should have put higher BB.