GTP's Hot Version Touge Showdown

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Looking forward to your commentary on my Swede-machine. :D Seems to be doing OK for my first shot at this.
 
Looking forward to it, Snake. Have it ready sometime today, if possible. 👍
 
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SolidSnake7735
I may have been harsh on some cars. But only constructive criticism given.
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I'm pretty harsh on many cars. Don't worry. I do sort of wanted to give lower scores, as I feel we currently have a 1-10 or maybe now a 1-20 score list. In Hot version, some pretty good cars only got 82's or so, like that R31 with carburetor issues. I approve of this moment. The median for average should be 50, not 90.

I'm willing to discuss this with anyone.
 
Hei
I'm pretty harsh on many cars. Don't worry. I do sort of wanted to give lower scores, as I feel we currently have a 1-10 or maybe now a 1-20 score list. In Hot version, some pretty good cars only got 82's or so, like that R31 with carburetor issues. I approve of this moment. The median for average should be 50, not 90.

I'm willing to discuss this with anyone.
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That's kinda what I expected to see when I first started here. I'm not complaing though. :lol:
 
Snake's T300 Reviews
Track: Mt. Akina
Laps: 5
Grip: REAL
Controller: Driving Force GT​

FF:

Volvo C30 R-Design
DigitalBaka

Times:
S2: 0:33.453
S3: 0:59.884
Lap: 3:05.092

Review:
What a surprisingly good setup. It's so close to perfect but with minor drawbacks. Biggest being the weight, but you barely realize it's there thanks to witty suspension settings. Along with the differential, it's perfect. Transmission is excellent, always in the power. The brakes were a huge letdown, though. They cause me to understeer since all the weight is up front and it stays loaded on the front tires far too long during a corner with such a weak setting.

Comments:
I was running nearly a second faster on all sectors with 5/5 brake bias, maybe you could find something more suitable for the car's weight balance.

Scoring Guide:
Traction - 20/20
Stability - 18/20
Steering - 20/20
Braking - 16/20
Cornering - 17/20

TOTAL: 91/100

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Honda Integra Type R(DC5)
TakumiFuji01

Times:
S2: 0:34.419
S3: 1:00.631
Lap: 3:10.488

Review:

A very stiff ride. At least the downforce from the GT Wing helps keep the rear in line with the front so the understeer isn't as pronounced. But it's a double-edged sword because all that downforce slows the car down soooo much, especially going uphill. The LSD is good, but not great. It makes the car feel sluggish of steering. It's a fast little car, but requires too much work to make it go fast and lacks the power to be competitive in this ring.

Comments:

Where's the POWER!!?

Scoring Guide:
Traction - 20/20
Stability - 18/20
Steering - 13/20
Braking - 15/20
Cornering - 15/20

TOTAL: 81/100

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FR:

Toyota 86 G
Rotary Junkie

Times:
S2: 0:33.086
S3: 0:59.269
Lap: 3:03.380

Review:

Wow! This thing is fast and unforgiving. It struggles uphill due to the lack of torque but that can't be helped in GT5 (no forced induction options available for this car). The suspension is confidence inspiring; the differential, not so much. Gearing is superb for this car's powerband. The steering feels a bit slow and unresponsive in the S-bends as the car doesn't keep up with my inputs. The acceleration sensitivity is partly to blame.

Comments:

When I have a bit of slip angle mid-corner, instinctively, I blip the throttle (or in some cases, I floor it) to power my way out of a corner and continue the slip and subsequently be faster. When that happens in this car, it tends to push out (understeer) and is counter-intuitive to the nature of the car's stock handling. Not saying this is a bad thing, it's just a driver preference.

Scoring Guide:
Traction - 18/20
Stability - 20/20
Steering - 17/20
Braking - 18/20
Cornering - 19/20

TOTAL: 92/100

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Toyota Supra 3.0GT Turbo
fbccars924

Times:
S2: 0:35.416
S3: 1:02.451
Lap: 3:14.105

Review:

This car has plenty of traction, it's easy to drive and forgiving but it isn't very fast (unless it's going sideways). The extremely front biased brakes make the car understeer on corner entry. I expected some slight oversteer on exit but the wing keeps it planted. Steering is direct adn high speeds but sluggish at low speeds.

Comments:

The gearing needs some work as I found myself out of the powerband often and trying to figure out where the power was.

Scoring Guide:
Traction - 17/20
Stability - 20/20
Steering - 18/20
Braking - 15/20
Cornering - 15/20

TOTAL: 85/100

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BMW Z4
AudiMan2011

Times:
S2: 0:34.309
S3: 1:00.947
Lap: 3:09.726

Review:

Power delivery is excellent, the gearing is to thank. The car has so much grip, tons of it! In fact, it has too much. Therefore it understeers ALL THE TIME. That wouldn't be a bad thing if the car weighed 200kg less. The brakes have an aggressive initial bite, but their vice grip is quick to fade. The suspension feels great, though being so low, there isn't much wheel travel.

Comments:

Initial torque is pretty high for such a short wheelbase and hinders the car's potential to rotate effectively.

Scoring Guide:
Traction - 20/20
Stability - 20/20
Steering - 18/20
Braking - 15/20
Cornering - 15/20

TOTAL: 88/100

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Honda S2000 (AP1)
Korza

Times:
S2: 0:33.154
S3: 0:59.033
Lap: 3:02.572

Review:

Superb tune. Light, agile, responsive and fast. So much fun and easy to drive. My only qualm is the front brakes. I can;t go too deep into braking and trail braking is compromised as well because the strong front brakes cause understeer. The 6-speed close-gear transmission works beautifully at keeping you always in the power, and this thing revs over 9.000RPM!!

Comments:

A slightly weaker front brake setting will help reduce the seldom seen understeer mid-corner and on entry.

Scoring Guide:
Traction - 19/20
Stability - 20/20
Steering - 19/20
Braking - 19/20
Cornering - 19/20

TOTAL: 96/100

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AWD:

Toyota Caldina GT-FOUR
Hei

Times:
S2: 0:33.798
S3: 0:59.131
Lap: 3:05.484

Review:

"It's dangerous out there. Here, take one of these." Sure, it understeers sometimes, it's not that agile, it's kinda heavy, and let's be honest... it's not that pretty either. So what is the point of this car? It's a necessary evil. It's an unexpected answer to the Evos, Subies and R32's. Not as fast but in the right hands it's an Ace.

Comments:

No matter how hard I pushed it, it never spun out or went off track/into a wall. Talk about reliable. Gearing is also superb.

Scoring Guide:
Traction - 20/20
Stability - 20/20
Steering - 17/20
Braking - 20/20
Cornering - 17/20

TOTAL: 94/100

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Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR
DCybertron

Times:
S2: 0:33.791
S3: 0:58.616
Lap: 3:04.369

Review:

There is a lot right with this tune. It could be far better with more time. There's a lot of grip and traction. The brakes have a hard bike but don't slow you down fast enough. The AYC is set so strong that all aspects of the car suffer slightly from the volatile nature of the handling. The car gets unsettled easily, especially in the s-turns and requires delicate steering and pedal inputs to keep it from going off-road.

Comments:

It's a very effective setup with minor faults. A ride height adjustment could be enough to make the brakes work better and for increased stability at speed.

Scoring Guide:
Traction - 20/20
Stability - 18/20
Steering - 18/20
Braking - 18/20
Cornering - 17/20

TOTAL: 91/100

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MR/RR:

NSX Type R '92
robrabbitman

Times:
S2: 0:32.980
S3: 0:58.949
Lap: 3:00.869

Review:

A superb setup!! Puts the power down very effectively and the gearing works surprisingly well at always having power on-hand and not spinning the tires. It's very neutral and tackles the twisties with minimal drama.

Comments:

The rear brakes could use being a bit stronger. Driver preference, I guess.

Scoring Guide:
Traction - 20/20
Stability - 20/20
Steering - 18/20
Braking - 19/20
Cornering - 20/20

TOTAL: 97/100

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Honda NSX Type R '92
extreme car

Times:
S2: 0:33.089
S3: 0:59.606
Lap: 3:03.989

Review:

Great setup! It just devours corners without breaking a sweat. But when driven at the edge, the cracks being to show. It's steady and stable taking the snakey S-turns and is always at hands reach when it start sliding. The steering is responsive... almost always. Mid-corner corrections go unanswered at times if the front tire load is a pinch too high.

Comments:

The negative rear toe angle was surprisingly pleasant in an MR platform. The LSD's braking sensitivity could benefit from being a bit higher for more effective mid-corner performance. 2nd gear felt odd, too short perhaps?

Scoring Guide:
Traction - 19/20
Stability - 20/20
Steering - 17/20
Braking - 17/20
Cornering - 19/20

TOTAL: 92/100

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NSR Type R '92
787bcgr

Times:
S2: 0:32.957
S3: 0:58.893
Lap: 3:02.151

Review:

I'm in love ... the steering is basically telepathic. Tell it where to go and it obliges without resistance. Even lets you hoon around, throw it into corners, and recover/exit with speed and plenty of style. The brakes inspire confidence even with the short gears churning out all 300 horses at low speeds.

Comments:

Don't change a thing!!... though you could play around with minute LSD changes and wheel alignment for that sweet spot between grip and slip. My favorite car of the shootout (besides my own Evo :sly:)

Scoring Guide:
Traction - 20/20
Stability - 19/20
Steering - 20/20
Braking - 20/20
Cornering - 18/20

TOTAL: 97/100

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Acura NSX '91
ZedMan1993

Times:
S2: 0:34.070
S3: 1:00.929
Lap: 3:07.361

Review:

This car is fast but it has its drivetrain layout to thank, more so than the setup. The brakes are scary and prevent rotation when trail braking, but are effective at slowing down this speed machine. The gearing ISN'T effective for the powerband. LSD could use being a bit more aggressive as the car understeers plenty in mid-speed corners unless I left-foot brake constantly. It takes a lot to unstick this car, though/ Plenty of grip at all times, has high limits.

Comments:

LSD and Transmission could both use some ACTUAL work, you're better off with stock tranny than 5-speed close-gear in this car. Suspension is so low that there isn;t enough wheel travel and understeer occurs even at low speeds because of this. The reason I marked so low on "cornering" is because the car is so busy and requires way too many inputs per corner to be consistently fast.

Scoring Guide:
Traction - 18/20
Stability - 17/20
Steering - 15/20
Braking - 15/20
Cornering - 15/20

TOTAL: 80/100
 
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My NSX barely edged out a Caldina?

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:lol:

Really though, I was getting worried reading the reviews leading up to my car. I didn't get a perfect score, but it's still very high. I'll take that. I think the scoring system you're using is excellent.
 
robrabbitman
My NSX barely edged out a Caldina?

...

:lol:

Really though, I was getting worried reading the reviews leading up to my car. I didn't get a perfect score, but it's still very high. I'll take that. I think the scoring system you're using is excellent.
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Thanks. I feel it's a fair scoring system. The Caldina's brakes were reliable and consistent. Can't say the same about your NSX's since I would get a tad bit understeery on entry, but barely noticeable.

The Caldina's score is actually 94, not 96... it was a typo on my behalf. The scores did add up to 94 but I wrote 96 instead.

If anyone has any discrepancies regarding their scores or comments, feel free to bring it up.
 
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I expected it too be harsh, but a little less than this lol. It is refreshing though, too see how much these tunes change when in the hands of someone with a wheel, though.
 
I'm gonna have to rethink my trans and my diff. I do hope I have time to do it with my new job. I also need a little feed back on my T500 as I got it fast for my thumbs but I'd like a second opinion on it as it's another first for me being my first serious AWD tune.
 
fbccars924
I'm gonna have to rethink my trans and my diff. I do hope I have time to do it with my new job. I also need a little feed back on my T500 as I got it fast for my thumbs but I'd like a second opinion on it as it's another first for me being my first serious AWD tune.
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Ican give it a go for you. BTW, my Supra is on share for you to try.

Hei
Wanna help test and develop my T400 car? It's stuck at 3:03, but with some hp and torque detuning, i may be able to average 3 flat.
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Yeah man, send me a PM with the details.

SS, I am impressed with your testing layout. I like the idea of having 5 categories each worth 20 points that account for the score. I might have to take that idea on myself. 👍
 
Finalist's​

FF: DigitalBaka – 91, 99, 95 = 285
4WD: SolidSnake – 98.5, 100, 100 = 298.5
FR: Korza – 96, 99, 99 = 294
MR: Rob – 100, 97, 99 = 296
 
Snake in my opinion has a really good organization for test reviewing and is really reasonable and this is probably one of the first judges I ever seen to give really good outcomes. Kind-of hard for me to explain but umm..yeah. Maybe I could cut it down in a simple way: Despite he gave a low score, he gave really detailed & accurate reasons for that. This is a type of judge that I think myself is just amazing!

Arigato Gozaimasu, Snake!
 
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TakumiFuji01
Snake in my opinion has a really good organization for test reviewing and is really reasonable and this is probably one of the first judges I ever seen to give really good outcomes. Kind-of hard for me to explain but umm..yeah. Maybe I could cut it down in a simple way: Despite he gave a low score, he gave really detailed & accurate reasons for that. This is a type of judge that I think myself is just amazing!

Arigato Gozaimasu, Snake!
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Giving useful feedback is an art form. Firstly, it takes someone who knows about both tuning and driving well enough to understand what is wrong and then tell you how to correct it. Then said person needs to be articulate enough to tell you that something is wrong without making you feel like they are nitpicking or finding fault for the sake of finding fault. You have to be able to take someone seriously to get anything out of their opinion of your work and be able to use it moving forward.

Very few can pull together all of these things. Even fewer really know what to do with it but that's another thing altogether. :embarrassed:
 
extreme car
Very harsh score on my nsx... Barely got better score than the ff cars, I guess my tune doesn't suit snake's driving style.
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I try not to let driving preferences affect my judgement of a tune. If it's good or bad, any driver will be able to tell if something's horribly wrong or stupendously outstanding.

In the case of your NSX, the greatest fault was the unresponsive steering and brakes. In any car, you have to have a little bit of slip to go really fast. If the car feels like it's on rails, then you're not going fast enough. When I try to push the car hard it gives in under the pressure. So if I dive into a corner with it, I better pray I came in with just the right speed and angle because the car doesn't give you a chance to correct mid-corner.

DigitalBaka
Giving useful feedback is an art form. Firstly, it takes someone who knows about both tuning and driving well enough to understand what is wrong and then tell you how to correct it. Then said person needs to be articulate enough to tell you that something is wrong without making you feel like they are nitpicking or finding fault for the sake of finding fault. You have to be able to take someone seriously to get anything out of their opinion of your work and be able to use it moving forward.

Very few can pull together all of these things. Even fewer really know what to do with it but that's another thing altogether. :embarrassed:
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I like to think that I know a thing or two about a thing or two :lol:
I'm just glad being able to give feedback to those who are willing to listen and not just take it with a grain of salt.
 
Damn, T400 is shaping up to be an interesting event! My T400 car is already up for share. The Orange RUF 3400S. It's not completed yet as it still needs a bit of work, but feel free to give it a whirl and see what you're up against in the MR/RR category.
 

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