GTP's Hot Version Touge Showdown

[Mat123]

Hey…I'm not sure how they do things on the show since…well, I don't watch, but in that example you put in the OP, they split the classes by drivetrain as well, so are you doing that? Or do I need to start fretting about my 80s wedge going against a toilet from Norfolk?

Yup. But they're still competing against each other. You get the idea.

 

[Mat123]

My car had stage 2 weight and about 1245kg so i add window weight then i reduce the 5% ballast became 1185kg and no any upgrade parts on it just stock I add FC transimssion suspension LSD only

Final is 200HP 406PP 1185KG
Tell me if it allowed

ND

Sorry dude, Stage 1 weight only.

EDIT: Double Post.

 

[krenkme]

@krenkme you can use a FC transmission as long as it doesn't give you more gears than you would get from a stock model.

Time is from a standing start at the start/finish line through the end of the tunnel.👍👍

Oh and I dare you to enter that killer VW van of yours!

Thanks Harv 👍. I hope to be home really soon, so I'll start testing some cars.

Well with no mid range turbo, and a stock transmission the bus wouldn't stand a chance . To bad, I like the bus

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

Sorry dude, Stage 1 weight only.

EDIT: Double Post.

I look over and over to have one more car stock to remove the stage 3 that i installed in my car . And i start to tune it as you can't see the stage 2 on it or any thing just the ballast box . And after i tuned and happy with i go to see what i can do with it to change the Rims the color and do more upgrade .

Then i got confuse when i saw the only part can upgrade in weight section is stage 3 . That mean the car come with stage 1,2 on it stock version so i tought it will be allowed as its not that light like Toyota 86 old version 900kg its only 1145 kg and i put on it window weight and adjust ballast became 1185 as more than this car weight too bad i can't enter this car .

And the funy thing it can't enter also in the next round because its also can't go above 260hp .

Never mind mate i will look for another one i hope can found one like this car .

My car is Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 V '85 made in this year and there is no another version from it after that .

Thanks .

 

[Mat123]

I look over and over to have one more car stock to remove the stage 3 that i installed in my car . And i start to tune it as you can't see the stage 2 on it or any thing just the ballast box . And after i tuned and happy with i go to see what i can do with it to change the Rims the color and do more upgrade .

Then i got confuse when i saw the only part can upgrade in weight section is stage 3 . That mean the car come with stage 1,2 on it stock version so i tought it will be allowed as its not that light like Toyota 86 old version 900kg its only 1145 kg and i put on it window weight and adjust ballast became 1185 as more than this car weight too bad i can't enter this car .

And the funy thing it can't enter also in the next round because its also can't go above 260hp .

Never mind mate i will look for another one i hope can found one like this car .

My car is Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 V '85 made in this year and there is no another version from it after that .

Thanks .

Alright, so if I got it right, you're saying that the only part available was weight reduction stage 3. So in stock form, stage 1 and 2 are already there.

Okay guys, I want your opinions. Is his car eligible?

Stock: 1145KG
ND's car: 1186KG (His car has stages 1-2 weight reduction, stock. His ballast use is still valid BTW.)

 

[trackripper123]

What's the stock weight?

 

[Mat123]

What's the stock weight?

Stock: 1145KG
His car: 1185KG (His ballast use is still valid.)

 

[trackripper123]

Looks fine to me, I was just checking it wasn't ridiculously light.

 

[Mat123]

Looks fine to me, I was just checking it wasn't ridiculously light.

You have a point.

 

[Onboy123]

Well, I've had some kind of first hand experience racing it, and I'd say that his car, the way it is, isn't really that much quicker than mine, so I don't see what wrong. No, scratch that, mine's quicker, so I don't see an issue.

 

[TakumiFuji01]

It's kinda like the Amuse S2000 R1. The car uses mostly carbon and titanium without removing interior with A/C and radio. The only parts remove are the hardtop, tools and spare tire but overall. The fabric, leather and etc are in tact. Most people call its race car due to fast response. Well it's actually a Street/Time Attack car at Tsukuba and got 1:02 with A048. It was MC Blue Pearl before the car was painted New Imola Orange Pearl(Engine bay is MC Blue Pearl)

 

[Onboy123]

Hmm…I guess you could class all the group B cars (however many of them that are in GT5 that isn't the very sensible Quattro) into that grey area, since they were pretty much tins with a big fan stuck to the engine, held up by a wheel on each end.

And I bet you wrote that just because you wanted to talk about the R1's epicness.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I am doing basic tuning now, 1st split 34.xxx then 2nd split at the goal 58.xxx with a mildly tuned french car, 168hp, stock weight 930kg (real car weight 840kg ), just bolt on power upgrade, no engine tuning or turbo. Stock LSD and transmission, but it has full custom suspension. I love this car, very easy to slide and control. The car did not come with ABS in real life, so no ABS in GT5, BB set at 10/7.

There's a catch, I did it with 1.07 GT5 Not sure if the tune would work well on 2.08, I'll post the tune when it's done, anyone feel free to test it, see if it drives well.

 

[SolidSnake7735]

Here is my tune.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was already stated that the Lotus Elise is ineligible for the Touge200 class because of the obvious implication of how unfair it is. Mat also stated that car will, at some point, be allowed in its own class along with the likes of the ZZ-S and Fireblade and other cars of the like.

As you may have noticed, at 200hp, the Elise weights at least 100kg less than the average car.

 

[Onboy123]

Eh…It was stated, but only by you. I think.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I might give this a shot. Not sure if this has been asked somewhere in the 10 pages already, but are we to practice for this online or offline? Competition will be online?

Edit: Re-read the OP, so we just tune them offline and send you the tune. Got it.

 

[praiano63]

I have a 54.540 standing start , but it's impossible to compare times with no limit of weight or performance point.

REMEMBER! The cars will be judged based on feel, rather than speed.

Most of this touge people that i know is as fast , it's not the point, i did this with the lotus 111R , not very hard to do.
What i was asking is about the final selection. You want to priorize the driving feeling but you want to race the winner tune against a winner car that i supose must be fast.
"Okay, after testing the cars, I will be deciding on which car will get to battle the "Touge Monster". My Hachi-Roku!
If it beats me, then it get's titled "Touge Monster"! "

If it's about racing , the faster must win and you need a PP limit. If it's cruising, the driving feeling is more important , i agree. I just don't understand .
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Ahh,I see your confusion (That sounded wrong. lol). Anyway, I've based the rules on the original "Touge Showdown". You see, in the original show, they based it on driving feel. Why? Bacause they are judging street cars. For them (and I myself), think that a street car should be a fun car to drive.

Now, onto my Hachi-Roku. I think that, for me, it's a very fun car to drive. So that's why I chose it.

Before the battle, I will be testing your tunes. (Remember to send them to me via Private Message.) I will pick the car that is most fun, for a street car.

Okay, so in the battle, it will be a battle of street cars. This time, it depends on who's car is quicker. So, to summarize it, the car must be fast, and fun! But mostly fun. lol

There are no PP limits, because there is already a HP limit, and Engine size limit. It's on the 1st page BTW. So, yeah, that's it I suppose. lol

Don't hesitate to raise your concerns. Every question so far has led me to improving this thread.

Ok i understand , i've read the first post, but you can't compare a car of 200 HP 800kg or 500 kg and a sedan of 1250 kg. That what i wanted to say.
It's ok now.👍

I see what you mean, don't worry though. I'm sure a sedan with 1250 kg would have WAY more than 200 HP. lol

EDIT: So far, only 1 person has sent me their tune. lol

No worries, deadline is still on Saturday.

In the Touge200 class, you would rarely see sedans. In the show i think the largest car entered in that class was an Altezza. Sometimes they would enter Kei cars in that class too but with less than 200hp to keep it stable.

And basically your car must be fun, exciting and not too much of a handful to make be picked for the final showdown. then once you make it to the final showdown, they are usually pit against each other and the remaining car takes on the touge monster... that's how the show is run.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was already stated that the Lotus Elise is ineligible for the Touge200 class because of the obvious implication of how unfair it is. Mat also stated that car will, at some point, be allowed in its own class along with the likes of the ZZ-S and Fireblade and other cars of the like.

As you may have noticed, at 200hp, the Elise weights at least 100kg less than the average car.

Eh…It was stated, but only by you. I think.

I don't see anything in the OP about this, i've told first about how unfair it can be without PP limit and about the weight of the cars....
For me it's ok if the car can't compete , i can do another , but it's good to define rules first, just to not waste time.

Have a good day everybody.

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[SolidSnake7735]

I have a question..

Are there any cars you will be banning from this showdown? I know you're judging by overall feel but there are those that will still go for the fastest car available.

And at 200hp, some rather imposing cars come to mind. ie: Caterham Fireblade, Lotus Elise, Arta Garaiya and the Tommy Kaira ZZ-S, to name a few.

Yeah, cars such as those you mentioned, obviously are not allowed. Instead, they will have their own class. I won't reveal it just yet. It's still in the works.

It's not in the OP, but as you can see here, he stated it.
Personally, I don't care, I've already chosen my car and it's an 1995 EG6.
But simply for the spirit of fairness. And we should all adhere to the same rules without any single tuner being the exception.

 

[praiano63]

It's not in the OP, but as you can see here, he stated it.
Personally, I don't care, I've already chosen my car and it's an 1995 EG6.
But simply for the spirit of fairness. And we should all adhere to the same rules without any single tuner being the exception.

So what it's going to be. If you start a shootout you can't think about the rules after this.... This class will be a 1 car class. No ZZ or else can reach the 111R .

The car is out or in ???

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Now I am worried, my car is Alpine A310 1600'73, will this be okay ? It's doing 56.xxx comfortably with an early tune - stock LSD + transmission and less than 200hp.

 

[SolidSnake7735]

So what it's going to be. If you start a shootout you can't think about the rules after this.... This class will be a 1 car class. No ZZ or else can reach the 111R .

The car is out or in ???

That's up to Mat to decide. But for now, the best we can do, as tuners an a community, is set aside the zeal of victory. But, you make a good point, Praiano, he should've sorted out all the details before starting the shootout.

On another note: How could you think the ZZ-S not keep up with an Elise 111R? It weights 100kg less than the elise and has a bigger engine (2.0L vs 1.6L). It's more capable, though the chassis might not be as rigid. Understandably, it's far easier to do good with the elise than the tail-happy TK. But that would definitely be a great battle, between those two 💡

 

[praiano63]

That's up to Mat to decide. But for now, the best we can do, as tuners an a community, is set aside the zeal of victory. But, you make a good point, Praiano, he should've sorted out all the details before starting the shootout.

On another note: How could you think the ZZ-S not keep up with an Elise 111R? It weights 100kg less than the elise and has a bigger engine (2.0L vs 1.6L). It's more capable, though the chassis might not be as rigid. Understandably, it's far easier to do good with the elise than the tail-happy TK. But that would definitely be a great battle, between those two 💡

You're right, for me no problem, i can present another car.
For the ZZ, i say this because i have already tested. With weight reduction 1 the
ZZ is 852 kg /440PP
Elise 111R 832 kg / 460PP + the huge grip and fantastic handling.

= no chance.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I am sharing my early tune for the 200hp class :

Alpine Renault A310 1600VE '73 ( real car has no ABS - tune with no ABS )

199hp, 864kg

Parts installed

weight reduction stage 1
window weight reduction

engine tuning stage 2
racing air filter
ecu
clutch : twin plate
flywheel sports
sports exhaust manifold
catalytic converter: sports

full custom suspension
F R
ride height : -20 -20
Spring Rate :7.0 9.0
Extension : 5 7
Compress : 6 5
Anti roll bar : 3 5
Camber : 2.5 1.5
Toe : 0.00 0.25

BB 10/7 or your own BB.

Test run with SH tire, no ABS or other aids, first split at Eiger : 32.xxx then goal 55.xxx, not the best time yet and sliding around on the down hill section, still under tuning and this was done with GT5 1.07. Please try the tune if anyone interested see if it's works on 2.08

 

[brave bear]

Quick question is there a particular track we're tuning for and if so what is it?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Quick question is there a particular track we're tuning for and if so what is it?

Eiger Nordwand, rolling start to 2nd split right after the tunnel, check the map in the OP.

 

[trackripper123]

Eiger Nordwand, rolling start to 2nd split right after the tunnel, check the map in the OP.

I thought it was standing start? That's why your times were so fast...

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I thought it was standing start? That's why your times were so fast...

I think it does not matter when tuning, but Mat123 tested the car by rolling start, he said it somewhere on page 2. Offline practice only allows rolling start, standing start is only possible online ( race ).

 

[brave bear]

Eiger Nordwand, rolling start to 2nd split right after the tunnel, check the map in the OP.

Ahh ok. And when you say rolling start what speed?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Ahh ok. And when you say rolling start what speed?

That depends on you, from your previous lap run if you do warm up lap, when exiting the last corner, the exit speed determines your rolling start speed. Mine is around 60-75 mph from the start, I didn't do warm up lap for that 55.xxx time.

 

[TakumiFuji01]

Hmm…I guess you could class all the group B cars (however many of them that are in GT5 that isn't the very sensible Quattro) into that grey area, since they were pretty much tins with a big fan stuck to the engine, held up by a wheel on each end.

And I bet you wrote that just because you wanted to talk about the R1's epicness.

Haha! Sure did.