GTP's Hot Version Touge Showdown

[XDesperado67]

@Ridox standing starts in offline practice mode are no problem for this. Just pull up and stop in the shadow cast by the banner at the start/finish line. Then once fully stopped go ahead and punch it. Your sector and lap time doesn't start until you actually cross the start line and you can use the shadow to gauge the same starting position for every "lap". Will take longer to do but this is how the cars will be tested according to Mat.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

@Ridox standing starts in offline practice mode are no problem for this. Just pull up and stop in the shadow cast by the banner at the start/finish line. Then once fully stopped go ahead and punch it. Your sector and lap time doesn't start until you actually cross the start line and you can use the shadow to gauge the same starting position for every "lap". Will take longer to do but this is how the cars will be tested according to Mat.

Would it be consistent ? The car might roll earlier and gain speed when crossing the start line, have to try it first and see the time difference

 

[brave bear]

Ok I'm just running laps and marking my splits

 

[XDesperado67]

Would it be consistent ? The car might roll earlier and gain speed when crossing the start line, have to try it first and see the time difference

That's why I say to use the shadow from the banner to get the same starting position. Also the track at the start line is nearly flat meaning you will see almost no roll when car is idling at 0mph. Not perfect and there will be some slight variance but close enough and doesn't depend on the cars performance on a section of track not being used for the event.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

That's why I say to use the shadow from the banner to get the same starting position. Also the track at the start line is nearly flat meaning you will see almost no roll when car is idling at 0mph. Not perfect and there will be some slight variance but close enough and doesn't depend on the cars performance on a section of track not being used for the event.

I am testing it now, got 59.xxx average over 3 laps, a bit tricky to start at 1st gear with stock transmission+LSD, throttle control is crucial to saves valuable time ( wheel spin )

 

[SolidSnake7735]

I don't know how familiar you guys are with Best Motoring's Hot Version Touge Showdown, but it's not always the fastest car that get's chosen for the battle round after testing. So really, the times aren't as relevant as you may think. Remember, they are being judged on overall feel, not speed.

Here you will see how they judge some cars from the Touge200 class


Here you will see the exciting final battle


You will also notice, they do a rolling start for the battles.
Whether we do a similar start for our battles, is up to Mat.

 

[TakumiFuji01]

I don't know how familiar you guys are with Best Motoring's Hot Version Touge Showdown, but it's not always the fastest car that get's chosen for the battle round after testing. So really, the times aren't as relevant as you may think. Remember, they are being judged on overall feel, not speed.

Here you will see how they judge some cars from the Touge200 class


Here you will see the exciting final battle


You will also notice, they do a rolling start for the battles.
Whether we do a similar start for our battles, is up to Mat.

Hehe, I'm guessing THAT Seeker made you choose a EG6 for this. Eh, Snake? lol I was inspired by it too when I drive a EG6 in games so we're even. Rolling start is my fav! Especially Tsuchiya's...LOL

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I am tuning the car in spirit of Hot Version's driver preferences, fun on the limit. The standing start time of 59.xxx is pretty slow I think, but this Alpine is all about controlled slides and trail braking corner entry. In fact, the last right hander before the tunnel can only be taken fast with trail braking to prevent understeer.

The down hill section is great for drifting techniques, the Alpine behaves well with feint and trail braking. I am surprised the stock LSD perform quite well, although one wheel spinning occur at times when pushed real hard exiting a corner.

 

[SolidSnake7735]

Hehe, I'm guessing THAT Seeker made you choose a EG6 for this. Eh, Snake? lol I was inspired by it too when I drive a EG6 in games so we're even. Rolling start is my fav! Especially Tsuchiya's...LOL

Actually, nope. It was THIS EG6


and can you believe THIS one beat a WRC Swift?!

 

[TakumiFuji01]

Actually, nope. It was THIS EG6


and can you believe THIS one beat a WRC Swift?!

Haha, well I have most of the Hot Version Japan vids so I know.
The one that crashed was so awesome...

 

[SolidSnake7735]

Haha, well I have most of the Hot Version Japan vids so I know.
The one that crashed was so awesome...

I'll do my best to make sure mine doesn't have the brakes lock up and understeer off the mountain at the big hairpin at Eiger lol

 

[XDesperado67]

The difference between the Hot version rolling starts and what most are doing here is that they enter the start point at low speeds then punch it. With most here you are counting on already going nearly full out on entry. Of course if your just comparing things to their timed sector then a full speed entry to the start point is probably more realistic.

 

[praiano63]

If the 111r not ok i'll enter a BMW 2002 turbo '73. Fasten your seat belt. If you have one on this car . Front seat belt was obligatory only since july '73 in Europe.


EDIT: Yes , here is the seat belt.... but nobody was using ... at this time, dangerous time. With the sticker to be seen from the rear view mirror of the guy in front of you , just to know the car that pass so fast...

 

[SolidSnake7735]

If the 111r not ok i'll enter a BMW 2002 turbo '73. Fasten your seat belt. If you have one on this car . Front seat belt was obligatory only since july '73 in Europe.


EDIT: Yes , here is the seat belt.... but nobody was using ... at this time, dangerous time. With the sticker to be seen from the rear view mirror of the guy in front of you , just to know the car that pass so fast...

great choice indeed!
fully independent suspension in a 70's car, quite revolutionary!

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

[/SIZE="6"]PEUGEOT 205 TURBO 16 '85 406PP 200HP 1185KG [/SIZE]


Online Offline OK SC Tires SH Tires SS Tires RS Tires All Driving Options is Off ABS Off or Set to 1 . Controller steering sensitivity is 0 .

-Displacement 1775 cc
-Max. Power 200 HP / 6600 rpm
-Max.Torque 194 ft-lb / 4000 rpm
-Drivetrain 4WD
-Power/Weight Ratio 5,81 kg/Hp
-Length 3820 mm
-Width 1700 mm
-Height 1353 mm
-Weight 1185 kg F 47 R 53
-Performance Points 406 pp
-Distance 38,423,9


SETTINGS :

Parts to buy ;

-Buy Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 '85 found in UCD

-Window Weight Reduction
-Fully Customizable Transmission
-Adjustable LSD
-Torque sensing Center Differential
-Suspension Fully Customizable Kit

-Comfort Tires (Soft )
-Sports Tires ( Hard / Soft )
-Racing Tires ( Soft )



TUNES ;

Weight Adjustment :
Ballast Amount (kg) : 50
Ballast Position : -50

Power Limiter :
Power Level : 96,7%

Transmission :
Gearing In this order please
Reset to Default
Default Final Gear 4.395
Default Top Speed - 149 MPH

Adjust gear like that :

1st - 2.896
2nd - 1.942
3rd - 1.402
4th - 1.070
5th - 0.863

-After that adjust final gear to 4,950
-IT Will Give Top Speed Up right 135 MPH

Suspension :
-Ride Height : F -43 R -38
-Spring Rate : F 7.4 R 13.2
-Dampers (EX) : F 7 R 3
-Dampers (com) : F 4 R 3
-Anti Roll Bars : F 2 R 3
-Camber Angle : F 1.5 R 1.7
-Toe Angle : F -0,10 R 0.05


This LSD with ABS set to. ( 1 )

LSD :
Initial Torque : F 14 R 14
Acceleration Sensitivity : F 35 R 40
Braking Sensitivity : F 5 R 10

This LSD with ABS is ( off )

LSD :
Initial Torque : F 14 R 14
Acceleration Sensitivity : F 35 R 40
Braking Sensitivity : F 8 R 10

Torque Sensing Center Def.. :
Front 35 Rear 65

Brake Balance Controller ;

With ABS set to ( 1 )
Front 5 Rear 6

With ABS set to ( off )
Front 2 Rear 1

This is not the fastest but i love the sound of this car .

Enjoy

ND

 

[BobbyBRAKEaNek]

I think I'm finally set.
Opel SPEEDSTER '00
OCD with oil change only
Weight reduction stage 1
Window weight reduction
No ballast or weight transfer
Stage 1 engine tuning
power limiter 100%
sport intake manifold
racing air filter
sports exhaust manifold
sports catalytic converter
sports exhaust
5 speed close-ration transmission
twin plate clutch
semi-racing flywheel
adjustable LSD
fully customizable suspension

LSD settings: initial torque 15, acceleration sensitivity 44, braking sensitivity 22

Suspension
-20 -25
6.6 4.8
6 5
6 5
7 3

0.3 1.0
-.18 .30

ABS set to 1
Brake Bias
6 5

She is a real flirt until the 4th lap and then it's all business.

 

[krenkme]

Soooo... if I got this right... engine tuning is allowed only if it gets you closer to the 200hp limit?

Example: car makes 90hp, but with stage 3 it makes 185hp. Is this okay?

 

[XDesperado67]

Soooo... if I got this right... engine tuning is allowed only if it gets you closer to the 200hp limit?

Example: car makes 90hp, but with stage 3 it makes 185hp. Is this okay?

Your free to use any tuning you want as long as the car doesn't exceed 200HP with no more than 95% power limiter use.👍👍

For S&Gs I've been playing with a G4. Car is extremely fast down the hill and along the bottom stretch between the bridge and the turn leading into the tunnel. That being said it suffers from extreme skinny tire syndrome, and loses major time due to wheelspin and low corner speeds. Best I've managed from a standing start was a 0:59.245.

Great looking car and on paper looks like it should destroy anything else at 200HP but that lack of grip and the rear tires getting completely overwhelmed by the torque prevents it from serious consideration. That being said burning the rubber off the rear tires in 4th gear for the entire length of the tunnel is a rather awesome experience in its own right!

 

[krenkme]

@Harvey,
Are reading my mind? That was going to be the car I was to try first . That's why I asked (it has just under 100hp stock and over 200hp when tuned if I remember correctly ). I still may have a go at it


...Honda Beat?

 

[XDesperado67]

@Harvey,
Are reading my mind? That was going to be the car I was to try first . That's why I asked (it has just under 100hp stock and over 200hp when tuned if I remember correctly ). I still may have a go at it
...Honda Beat?

Your Beat would probably fare much better in driver fun than the G4 and its newer rubber would be a bonus but you'll be well under 200HP even fully tuned so might not be much difference in time between the two.

Oh and I've gotten the G4 down to a best time of 0:59.064. Still not a touge car though as it demands 110% driver concentration and perfect inputs at all times or will try and kill you.

 

[Mat123]

I think it does not matter when tuning, but Mat123 tested the car by rolling start, he said it somewhere on page 2. Offline practice only allows rolling start, standing start is only possible online ( race ).

I said online, standing start.

@Ridox standing starts in offline practice mode are no problem for this. Just pull up and stop in the shadow cast by the banner at the start/finish line. Then once fully stopped go ahead and punch it. Your sector and lap time doesn't start until you actually cross the start line and you can use the shadow to gauge the same starting position for every "lap". Will take longer to do but this is how the cars will be tested according to Mat.

Actually, it will be tested in race mode, online. Standing start. I already mentioned this a few pages back.

I don't know how familiar you guys are with Best Motoring's Hot Version Touge Showdown, but it's not always the fastest car that get's chosen for the battle round after testing. So really, the times aren't as relevant as you may think. Remember, they are being judged on overall feel, not speed.

Here you will see how they judge some cars from the Touge200 class


Here you will see the exciting final battle


You will also notice, they do a rolling start for the battles.
Whether we do a similar start for our battles, is up to Mat.

Yeah, that's how I'll be doing it.

That's up to Mat to decide. But for now, the best we can do, as tuners an a community, is set aside the zeal of victory. But, you make a good point, Praiano, he should've sorted out all the details before starting the shootout.

I apologize for that. Don't worry though. For the next episode, the rules will be far more detailed! I assure you. I really didn't know that the 111R was too dominant.

I was just assuming that people were going to enter "proper" touge cars.

Starting after the first episode, each Touge Class will have a "Proper Touge Car" rule implemented.

 

[Mat123]

If the 111r not ok i'll enter a BMW 2002 turbo '73. Fasten your seat belt. If you have one on this car . Front seat belt was obligatory only since july '73 in Europe.


EDIT: Yes , here is the seat belt.... but nobody was using ... at this time, dangerous time. With the sticker to be seen from the rear view mirror of the guy in front of you , just to know the car that pass so fast...

I just found out that your Lotus was far too dominant for the competition. I really didn't know that.

It's your choice though, if you still want to enter with it, or this BMW.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I said online, standing start.
Actually, it will be tested in race mode, online. Standing start. I already mentioned this a few pages back.

I see, sorry I missed that. I am tuning the Alpine offline now, can't get online until I can finish the update to 2.08 . Anyway, could anyone who have the car and free time to try the tune online, see if it works and enjoyable to drive

 

[Mat123]

I see, sorry I missed that. I am tuning the Alpine offline now, can't get online until I can finish the update to 2.08 . Anyway, could anyone who have the car and free time to try the tune online, see if it works and enjoyable to drive

Ahh, I see. Then that's fine then. The physics differ quite slightly.

 

[praiano63]

I just found out that your Lotus was far too dominant for the competition. I really didn't know that.

It's your choice though, if you still want to enter with it, or this BMW.

Ok no problem, so i'll enter the BMW 2002 TURBO '73. The tune is ready. I'll post it later.

><(((((°>°°°°°

 

[Mat123]

Ok no problem, so i'll enter the BMW 2002 TURBO '73. The tune is ready. I'll post it later.

><(((((°>°°°°°

Yay! Thank you!!!! I apologize again. I'm terribly sorry for making you have to go through this.

 

[praiano63]

Here is my entry. Tested for the first time with DS3 also. 2 years that i was using only like navigation tool only.
The car is very easy with it , Very good drift all the downhill.
With the wheel it's another story. A pilot car, fast ,fun, "educative", Just don't brake too late. Not because of no ABS, you can almost forget that the car don't have, but if your driving input for a turn is not according to your speed, you'll see your back end passing over the tires.
Have a soft nice drive.

><(((((°>°°°°°°

 

[Mat123]

Awesome! Thanks a lot!

 

[Onboy123]

Praiano, I'm really surprised that you didn't give the 2002T a LSD&#8230;

 

[TakumiFuji01]

In Hot Version Vol.84. When their doing Sector timing for the Touge Tournament, they do standing start but for battle, it's rolling start unless you cheat like Tsuchiya. No passing though.