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[CSLACR]

I don't think there was any disrespect towards the GT300 cars and Owens didn't do anything stupid. As you can see, Aderrrm left the right lane (optimal line) open. Owens took that as an indication that Aderrrm is giving way so he went ahead - turned in and took the apex. Unfortunately, the car ahead (Paul?) was too slow so he was forced with two choices, let-off or punt Paul - as we see, he let-off. Aderrrm seems like he was still full-speed with a good head of steam.

That's exactly what I was thinking watching it, I would have assumed the same and done the same.

In that case, as most, the GT500 car has much more time to lose holding up then either GT300 car, Aderrm could have easily kept draft and passed Paul in the straight anyway, using Owens draft the whole straight, a GT500 car can't gain from being behind a GT300 car, especially at DRC.

Just my two cents.

Oh great, now I only just discover I got a penalty for it

Results affected or not you should have been informed in any case though... That is the standard.

 

[Andil]

Meh, if we're discussing it - looks like Owens got into a gap between the two cars. Which is fine and fair and I'd do the same. Wouldn't say the lead car (Paul) was particularly slow out of the corner, just that some lines there were slightly different resulting in a bit of crossover. Don't think Owens could have done anything else, he can't get any further forward without punting Paul, and he is in front well before the corner, so it's down to the car behind (Adam) to not make the contact. Could have braked later, let off the throttle, any number of things, to avoid it. Just my opinion.

While Owens could have waited till the straight, it's still quicker for him to pass one car, thus he only needs to pass one on the straight; and traffic management is what can win or lose you a race. As I say, I'd have done the same no doubt. Especially if the GT300 car is staying left - in the rules for the series it states that a GT300 car should hold its line when a GT500 car is coming to pass - Plus, defending against a GT500 car as a GT300 is not actually allowed within the rules, so Owens is more than entitled to assume Adam is staying left to let him through. Again I'd have assumed the same.

Still, if a penalty doesn't affect the race result (doesn't lose you or the other driver a place) then it's a "meh" issue anyway, imo.

 

[Denilson]

About the final this Thursday:

Anyone heard/seen HoertusIX lately?
KamyKaze1098 and Scanny_Flick, prepare to jump in if we can't get hold of HortusIX.

 

[Müle]

Personally, I still would have left a little room for Aderrrm there. Corner rights or not, better safe than sorry, and I still think it's a bad idea to force the issue around slower traffic. I made a post about that a couple of weeks ago, that was seemingly ignored.

 

[Masi_23]

About the final this Thursday:

Anyone heard/seen HoertusIX lately?
KamyKaze1098 and Scanny_Flick, prepare to jump in if we can't get hold of HortusIX.

He hasn't logged in to GTPlanet since the 16th. I say give him an ultimatum (monday) or he gets replaced. That way, Kam and Scanny have ample time to prepare.


@ Aderrrm - my fault for not letting you know. Actually, a table with all the penalties should be shown inside the RST (Race Specific Thread) but i've been to busy to do them. Last one i made was Round 8.

@ Mule - open for discussion in the Season 3 Thread inside the Interest Check Sub-Forum 👍

Still, if a penalty doesn't affect the race result (doesn't lose you or the other driver a place) then it's a "meh" issue anyway, imo.

Maybe an 'Aggressive Driving' warning may have been more suitable. I asked Owens if he received damage but i got no reply from him so we decided with 10 seconds.

 

[paulmac2k9]

i was hoping in that situation owens was going to pass me, i was on the left side as aderrrm was attacking me hard so was sorta defending from him while at the same time trying to let owens pass lol so i stayed on the left when seeing owens passing aderrrm but my corner speed was around what i was doing in qually so i wasnt going slowly i can tell you that..... i seen that happen and thought oh dear hope that wasnt my fault

 

[Denilson]

Personally, I still would have left a little room for Aderrrm there. Corner rights or not, better safe than sorry, and I still think it's a bad idea to force the issue around slower traffic. I made a post about that a couple of weeks ago, that was seemingly ignored.

MULE_9242, the move OwensRacing did was within regulations and not disrespectful at all. Period.
As you say, it was perhaps a bad idea.. bad idea or not, it was within regulations, he did not push/bump/touch any car.. Not against the rules = No penalty. Comming from behind and spinning a car is.
So please stop claiming that we think it's ok to treat GT300 cars disrespectful, cause obviously, we do not think so.
Perhaps we just judge this situation different, so just leave it at that, without adding that because we jude it differently, we accept disrespectful driving against GT300's.

 

[Müle]

MULE_9242, the move OwensRacing did was within regulations and not disrespectful at all. Period.
As you say, it was perhaps a bad idea.. bad idea or not, it was within regulations, he did not push/bump/touch any car.. Not against the rules = No penalty. Comming from behind and spinning a car is.
So please stop claiming that we think it's ok to treat GT300 cars disrespectful, cause obviously, we do not think so.
Perhaps we just judge this situation different, so just leave it at that, without adding that because we jude it differently, we accept disrespectful driving against GT300's.

Perhaps we just have different definitions on what exactly "disrespectful" is. The way I see it, he showed no regard for the fact that Aderrrm and paul were having their own battle, barged right in and split the two of them. Luckily, Owens is good and clean enough that he didn't hit either of them, but it slowed him down enough that Aderrrm didn't have time to adjust and gave him a little tap. Owens didn't spin out, nor did it look like he got any damage, so the penalty was quite harsh, especially given that he put himself in that position, instead of waiting until they got on the banking.


But I guess this is all beside the point now. I'm just one guy here, and my opinion probably doesn't mean a whole lot.

 

[Denilson]

perhaps we just have different definitions on what exactly "disrespectful" is. The way i see it, he showed no regard for the fact that aderrrm and paul were having their own battle, barged right in and split the two of them. Luckily, owens is good and clean enough that he didn't hit either of them, but it slowed him down enough that aderrrm didn't have time to adjust and gave him a little tap. Owens didn't spin out, nor did it look like he got any damage, so the penalty was quite harsh, especially given that he put himself in that position, instead of waiting until they got on the banking.


But i guess this is all beside the point now. I'm just one guy here, and my opinion probably doesn't mean a whole lot.

mule:

mule_9242, the move owensracing did was within regulations and not disrespectful at all. Period.
As you say, it was perhaps a bad idea.. Bad idea or not, it was within regulations, he did not push/bump/touch any car.. Not against the rules = no penalty. Comming from behind and spinning a car is.
So please stop claiming that we think it's ok to treat gt300 cars disrespectful, cause obviously, we do not think so.
perhaps we just judge this situation different, so just leave it at that, without adding that because we jude it differently, we accept disrespectful driving against gt300's.

 

[twistedfirework]

About the final this Thursday:

Anyone heard/seen HoertusIX lately?
KamyKaze1098 and Scanny_Flick, prepare to jump in if we can't get hold of HortusIX.

Hortus has quit WSGTC. He told me thus a couple of weeks ago. He has also said he isn't playing games online anymore.

 

[Denilson]

Hortus has quit WSGTC. He told me thus a couple of weeks ago. He has also said he isn't playing games online anymore.

Yea, I've noticed.. Sad that he did not tell us.. But ok.. Then we need to see if Kamy answers.. If not, it's scanny who takes his place.

 

[Masi_23]

Not sure about Kamy. He mentioned he's been pretty busy with University and might not even make Season 3. Hopefully he'll show up soon enough and let us know of the situation.




EDIT: WSGTC 3 OP. Still pending Logo and Banner until Photoshoot happens. Championship Calendar still being decided. Everyone check the season 3 discussion thread and leave feedback

 

[Scanny_Flick]

What time will the final be running on Thursday? I will be tied up in another race until around 21:30 UK time (22:30 CET)

 

[Denilson]

Same time as always. First race at 21.00 PM (BST) / 20.00 PM (GMT). But since we'll run one race at a time, we can do the race you're in last.. Then your 1st race should start at around 22.00 PM (BST) / 21.00 PM (GMT)

Sound ok?

 

[Scanny_Flick]

Sounds perfect 👍

Best get my hands on an NSX then and plot how I can sabotage Remy_K's engine ;-)

 

[twistedfirework]

Same time as always. First race at 21.00 PM (BST) / 20.00 PM (GMT). But since we'll run one race at a time, we can do the race you're in last.. Then your 1st race should start at around 22.00 PM (BST) / 21.00 PM (GMT)

Sound ok?

Seems a shame that the date was changed because 1 person couldn't make it, to a date when another driver can't make it. I would be fuming if I was aderrm. Just my take on things. WSGTC is run on a Friday?

 

[Paginas1]

Sounds perfect 👍

Best get my hands on an NSX then and plot how I can sabotage Remy_K's engine ;-)

please do lol

 

[Adam41]

Perhaps we just have different definitions on what exactly "disrespectful" is. The way I see it, he showed no regard for the fact that Aderrrm and paul were having their own battle, barged right in and split the two of them. Luckily, Owens is good and clean enough that he didn't hit either of them, but it slowed him down enough that Aderrrm didn't have time to adjust and gave him a little tap. Owens didn't spin out, nor did it look like he got any damage, so the penalty was quite harsh, especially given that he put himself in that position, instead of waiting until they got on the banking.

Summed it up better than I could.

and traffic management is what can win or lose you a race. As I say, I'd have done the same no doubt.

But in this case Owens in last in GT500 and when the contact occurs, the gt500 leader is already on the first corner of the next lap. Whereas me and paul are battling for 2nd position (yes, battling, not just swapping slipstream every couple of corners) whilst being only seconds away from you (the gt300 leader). It would have been nice for Owens to get his priorities right and had a little patience. His impatience blatently shows at 6 seconds when he half-tries to overtake me into the right hander...

I don't know about you but I'd never try to get in the way of 2 gt300's battling if I was in gt500, or vice versa.

May I turn your attention to the GP/F race we had where Supraphant0m broke me and Mole up for the gt300 lead towards the end of a lap? To which you (Dennis) agreed with me that he shouldn't have done it and which he got a penalty for (although not just for this), which probably contributed towards his ban from WSGTC.

 

[Lynchy098]

Sorry. OT But. R.I.P Marco Simoncelli. Bad month for motorsport :'(

 

[Denilson]

Seems a shame that the date was changed because 1 person couldn't make it, to a date when another driver can't make it. I would be fuming if I was aderrm. Just my take on things. WSGTC is run on a Friday?

It's not like Aderrrm said he could not make it.. He said that he might go out,and if so, it was a spontanious decition.
I asked him if he could perhaps decide to not do a spontainous decition to help the group find a slot that was within a reasonable time frame (Don't want to postpone the final for 3 weeks, sort of).
He said no.
So, in the end, we had to change the dates to get all drivers on board. One feel that he would rather have the possibility to take a spontainiuos decition, and another one had a wedding to attend to.
As an Admin, I decided that a wedding should be more taken in to account than a spontainous decition not even made by the time I asked the question.
Nothing against Aderrrm at all, I love the guy.. But the way I see it, Redreevos reasons are ahead of a spontainious decition not even made by the time the question was asked.. And still isn't made I might add.

But in this case Owens in last in GT500 and when the contact occurs, the gt500 leader is already on the first corner of the next lap. Whereas me and paul are battling for 2nd position (yes, battling, not just swapping slipstream every couple of corners) whilst being only seconds away from you (the gt300 leader). It would have been nice for Owens to get his priorities right and had a little patience. His impatience blatently shows at 6 seconds when he half-tries to overtake me into the right hander...

I don't know about you but I'd never try to get in the way of 2 gt300's battling if I was in gt500, or vice versa.

May I turn your attention to the GP/F race we had where Supraphant0m broke me and Mole up for the gt300 lead towards the end of a lap? To which you (Dennis) agreed with me that he shouldn't have done it and which he got a penalty for (although not just for this), which probably contributed towards his ban from WSGTC.

There was a huge difference between SupraPhant0m's and OwensRacing's actions.
SupraPhant0m did not wait for 1 second.. He just plowed thru the very second he arrived to the first GT300's bumper, forcing cars to slow down quite a lot, wich made the two GT300's to get separated.
In OwensRacings case, it was a wide open opportunity to overtake aderrrm well before turn-in point, wich he did sucessfully. You can clearly see how he is overtking Aderrrm with causion... On a staright.. Completed well before turn in.
And since there was room for one car (lots of room) between Aderrrm and paulmac2k9, it can not be viewed upon as interfering (OwensRacing do got rights to race as well). If Aderrrm and paulmac2k9 was bumper to bumper, and that move took place, the story would've been different. The 2 GT300's would'nt have gotten separated if it was'nt for the crash. Aderrrm would've picked up some speed behind owens Racing and paulmac2k9 if all 3 cars had made ot out on the straight.


Fact remains:
He did not bump/push/crash thru. He overtook well before a corners turn in point without trouble. Positioning his car between the 2 without forcing the car behind to yield, and without bumping/pushing the car in front.
Aderrrm ran in to OwensRacing from behind, causing a semi spin with quite a few seconds lost to him self and OwensRacing as a result.

You can discuss in eternity how stupid it was to overtake at that spot, and how he could've waited for a better oportunity etc, yes.
But running in to someone from behind in a corner, causing a spin/time loss will always be against the rules.

 

[Adam41]

There was a huge difference between SupraPhant0m's and OwensRacing's actions.
SupraPhant0m did not wait for 1 second.. He just plowed thru the very second he arrived to the first GT300's bumper, forcing cars to slow down quite a lot, wich made the two GT300's to get separated.
In OwensRacings case, it was a wide open opportunity to overtake aderrrm well before turn-in point, wich he did sucessfully. You can clearly see how he is overtking Aderrrm with causion... On a staright.. Completed well before turn in.
And since there was room for one car (lots of room) between Aderrrm and paulmac2k9, it can not be viewed upon as interfering (OwensRacing do got rights to race as well). If Aderrrm and paulmac2k9 was bumper to bumper, and that move took place, the story would've been different. The 2 GT300's would'nt have gotten separated if it was'nt for the crash. Aderrrm would've picked up some speed behind owens Racing and paulmac2k9 if all 3 cars had made ot out on the straight.


Fact remains:
He did not bump/push/crash thru. He overtook well before a corners turn in point without trouble. Positioning his car between the 2 without forcing the car behind to yield, and without bumping/pushing the car in front.
Aderrrm ran in to OwensRacing from behind, causing a semi spin with quite a few seconds lost to him self and OwensRacing as a result.

You can discuss in eternity how stupid it was to overtake at that spot, and how he could've waited for a better oportunity etc, yes.
But running in to someone from behind in a corner, causing a spin/time loss will always be against the rules.

I can't see the difference. Supra overtook Mole on a straight (albeit a kink the straight) and tried to fire one up the inside of me at the chicane, and the last corner of GP/F (very very similar, nearly identical to what Owens did at 6 seconds on the vid). Did he make contact? No. If anything, Mole tapped the back of Supra (like I did with Owens) but was lucky enough that the tap occured on a fairly 'straight lined' chicane rather than a sharp 90 degree left hander. And I'm sure things would have been different there. If only I could put the video from my phone on to Youtube...

Just look at the video and how small the straight is between each corner. Now puase it at 17 seconds. You think that's a large enough gap for a GT500 to go in, even when he's not even ready to pull into that gap and there's a corner approaching? I know he didn't make contact, you don't have to say that again, but because he pulled into that gap is the reason I was slightly put off by it and made the contact with him. Between 18 and 19 seconds you can still see my front end which is really close to Owens back end. Yeah you could say I should have emergency braked or let off but I really shouldn't have to be doing that, especially when I'm focused on fighting for 2nd position with paul.

I'm not saying any more if you can't see it was both our actions which caused the contact, and not just mine.

 

[twistedfirework]

It's not like Aderrrm said he could not make it.. He said that he might go out,and if so, it was a spontanious decition.
I asked him if he could perhaps decide to not do a spontainous decition to help the group find a slot that was within a reasonable time frame (Don't want to postpone the final for 3 weeks, sort of).
He said no.
So, in the end, we had to change the dates to get all drivers on board. One feel that he would rather have the possibility to take a spontainiuos decition, and another one had a wedding to attend to.
As an Admin, I decided that a wedding should be more taken in to account than a spontainous decition not even made by the time I asked the question.
Nothing against Aderrrm at all, I love the guy.. But the way I see it, Redreevos reasons are ahead of a spontainious decition not even made by the time the question was asked.. And still isn't made I might add.

There was a huge difference between SupraPhant0m's and OwensRacing's actions.
SupraPhant0m did not wait for 1 second.. He just plowed thru the very second he arrived to the first GT300's bumper, forcing cars to slow down quite a lot, wich made the two GT300's to get separated.
In OwensRacings case, it was a wide open opportunity to overtake aderrrm well before turn-in point, wich he did sucessfully. You can clearly see how he is overtking Aderrrm with causion... On a staright.. Completed well before turn in.
And since there was room for one car (lots of room) between Aderrrm and paulmac2k9, it can not be viewed upon as interfering (OwensRacing do got rights to race as well). If Aderrrm and paulmac2k9 was bumper to bumper, and that move took place, the story would've been different. The 2 GT300's would'nt have gotten separated if it was'nt for the crash. Aderrrm would've picked up some speed behind owens Racing and paulmac2k9 if all 3 cars had made ot out on the straight.

Fact remains:
He did not bump/push/crash thru. He overtook well before a corners turn in point without trouble. Positioning his car between the 2 without forcing the car behind to yield, and without bumping/pushing the car in front.
Aderrrm ran in to OwensRacing from behind, causing a semi spin with quite a few seconds lost to him self and OwensRacing as a result.

You can discuss in eternity how stupid it was to overtake at that spot, and how he could've waited for a better oportunity etc, yes.
But running in to someone from behind in a corner, causing a spin/time loss will always be against the rules.

Thanks for replying. No explanation is needed. If aderrm is happy, that is fine. It was just an observation.

 

[Denilson]

I can't see the difference. Supra overtook Mole on a straight (albeit a kink the straight) and tried to fire one up the inside of me at the chicane, and the last corner of GP/F (very very similar, nearly identical to what Owens did at 6 seconds on the vid). Did he make contact? No. If anything, Mole tapped the back of Supra (like I did with Owens) but was lucky enough that the tap occured on a fairly 'straight lined' chicane rather than a sharp 90 degree left hander. And I'm sure things would have been different there. If only I could put the video from my phone on to Youtube...

Just look at the video and how small the straight is between each corner. Now puase it at 17 seconds. You think that's a large enough gap for a GT500 to go in, even when he's not even ready to pull into that gap and there's a corner approaching? I know he didn't make contact, you don't have to say that again, but because he pulled into that gap is the reason I was slightly put off by it and made the contact with him. Between 18 and 19 seconds you can still see my front end which is really close to Owens back end. Yeah you could say I should have emergency braked or let off but I really shouldn't have to be doing that, especially when I'm focused on fighting for 2nd position with paul.

I'm not saying any more if you can't see it was both our actions which caused the contact, and not just mine.

It was not your fault at all. I take full responability as a steward. OwensRacing should've recieved the penalty.
You're right.
I'm sorry.

Can we leave this now?

 

[Denilson]

Thanks for replying. No explanation is needed. If aderrm is happy, that is fine. It was just an observation.

Yes, it's needed since you indicate that 1 driver is favoured over another, when that's not the case.

Do you see the difference between the reasons stated, and why both of them could not attend to each respective date?

 

[Adam41]

It was not your fault at all. I take full responability as a steward. OwensRacing should've recieved the penalty.
You're right.
I'm sorry.

Can we leave this now?

I see where you're coming from, but I hope you see where I'm coming from too. And yeah.

Also, I don't like that the Finals are now on a Thursday but yeah a Wedding is more important than me getting drunk. Just gotta live with it.

 

[twistedfirework]

Yes, it's needed since you indicate that 1 driver is favoured over another, when that's not the case.

Do you see the difference between the reasons stated, and why both of them could not attend to each respective date?

Yes I can see the difference. I was just stating that if it was me I wouldn't be happy. I don't for 1 minute think you show any favouritism. I know you can't please everyone all of the time.

 

[KamyKaze1098]

So if it is this thursday I can't make it too. Out to get drunk with the ladies. But don't change it cause of me. I only played GT5 1 time in 3 to 4 weeks so I'm really not ready to race.

 

[Joshua1994]

Yea, I've noticed.. Sad that he did not tell us.. But ok.. Then we need to see if Kamy answers.. If not, it's scanny who takes his place.

Err, if im not correct, Kamy posted a while back saying he isn't participating in the rest of season 2, or season 3 because of Uni.

EDIT: Didn't scroll to the bottom of the page before I posted, hadn't seen Kamy had posted.

 

[Masi_23]

So if it is this thursday I can't make it too. Out to get drunk with the ladies. But don't change it cause of me. I only played GT5 1 time in 3 to 4 weeks so I'm really not ready to race.

What's the chances of you racing in Season 3?

 

[KamyKaze1098]

What's the chances of you racing in Season 3?

Pretty bad actually.
Now I have a social life so it's hard to make such a comitement.