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"I thought my line of thought was more simple than you made it out to be."
I was speculating in part. Mostly my comments were centered around the word civil and what it means.
"All I meant is this: A nation that absolutely forbids anything beyond hurting others or their property is, in my opinion, corrupt. One must question the motive for the prohibition. It is always about taking power away from the many and consolidating it in the hands of the few. This is dangerous and only serves to place unecessary pressure on society, pressure that must be more and more severely supressed by the keepers of the power."
Ok. Ty.
"So I agree with the fact that to forbid guns is wrong and corrupt. But I also reserve the right to think owning machine guns and grenade launchers is stupid."
Or overkill in most cases. But one must be wary of the slippery slope no matter how sensible a regulation appears.
"So if you want to have an arsenal, I want to make fun of you."
Depends on how you do it. Making fun of intellect is less offensive than attacking character, presuming malicious intent, in my opinion.
"I guess if there were more real, compelling evidence that the population needed to pepare for a revolution or to defend themselves against some pending invasion, I would be the first in line for my AK47. But I think people who think that's currently necessary are paranoid."
Maybe so, but noone really knows how their leaders will behave down the years. Might be best to give them notice of the people's willingness to fight. And corrupt governments exist. One, in my opinion, fallacy with using the paranoid label is that, like a statistic, it does not necessarily prove the course upon which the so-called paranoid person takes as the wrong one, it mostly shows the person as stubbornly refusing to accept that a statistic cited to them will remain constant.
"And regarding hunting...
I made a generalization and didn't justify it. But then it wouldn't have been a generalization. Many gun owners also hunt. Many rifle owners also own handguns. That's about it. I eat meat that was killed in a big, ugly industrial food complex. I do not want to kill my own food, but I would if I had to. And if it ever bothered me that much I would just not eat meat. I only question guys who (and I've been told all about it by people who've done it) chase down herds of elk in a pick-up and shoot into the group, bait animals in the off season and just sit and wait for them to come back and shoot them; people who enjoy killing because it's fun, etc."
Agree.
"I have also listened to hunters that seem to have a deep understanding of what they do by killing animals, not unlike the Pacific Northwest indians who kill whales, and waste nothing, recognize the sacristy of the act and it's consequences, and feel fulfilled in a spiritual way by participating in the cycle of life; this I have the utmost respect for and may even, at some point in my life, have to try. But when I see a bunch of hicks in Flagstaff walking around shooting squirrils for fun I have pure disdain."
Agree.
"I hope that clarifies, Talentless. If it doesn't, please let me know."
Yeah, it does. Like I said, I was mostly responding to your your use of the word civil.
I was speculating in part. Mostly my comments were centered around the word civil and what it means.
"All I meant is this: A nation that absolutely forbids anything beyond hurting others or their property is, in my opinion, corrupt. One must question the motive for the prohibition. It is always about taking power away from the many and consolidating it in the hands of the few. This is dangerous and only serves to place unecessary pressure on society, pressure that must be more and more severely supressed by the keepers of the power."
Ok. Ty.
"So I agree with the fact that to forbid guns is wrong and corrupt. But I also reserve the right to think owning machine guns and grenade launchers is stupid."
Or overkill in most cases. But one must be wary of the slippery slope no matter how sensible a regulation appears.
"So if you want to have an arsenal, I want to make fun of you."
Depends on how you do it. Making fun of intellect is less offensive than attacking character, presuming malicious intent, in my opinion.
"I guess if there were more real, compelling evidence that the population needed to pepare for a revolution or to defend themselves against some pending invasion, I would be the first in line for my AK47. But I think people who think that's currently necessary are paranoid."
Maybe so, but noone really knows how their leaders will behave down the years. Might be best to give them notice of the people's willingness to fight. And corrupt governments exist. One, in my opinion, fallacy with using the paranoid label is that, like a statistic, it does not necessarily prove the course upon which the so-called paranoid person takes as the wrong one, it mostly shows the person as stubbornly refusing to accept that a statistic cited to them will remain constant.
"And regarding hunting...
I made a generalization and didn't justify it. But then it wouldn't have been a generalization. Many gun owners also hunt. Many rifle owners also own handguns. That's about it. I eat meat that was killed in a big, ugly industrial food complex. I do not want to kill my own food, but I would if I had to. And if it ever bothered me that much I would just not eat meat. I only question guys who (and I've been told all about it by people who've done it) chase down herds of elk in a pick-up and shoot into the group, bait animals in the off season and just sit and wait for them to come back and shoot them; people who enjoy killing because it's fun, etc."
Agree.
"I have also listened to hunters that seem to have a deep understanding of what they do by killing animals, not unlike the Pacific Northwest indians who kill whales, and waste nothing, recognize the sacristy of the act and it's consequences, and feel fulfilled in a spiritual way by participating in the cycle of life; this I have the utmost respect for and may even, at some point in my life, have to try. But when I see a bunch of hicks in Flagstaff walking around shooting squirrils for fun I have pure disdain."
Agree.
"I hope that clarifies, Talentless. If it doesn't, please let me know."
Yeah, it does. Like I said, I was mostly responding to your your use of the word civil.
