Guns

[Omnis]

Is that dude a dude?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Is that dude a dude?

Not sure if we will ever know that...but I can tell you this, Biden isn't all that smart when it comes to guns

 

[Michael88]

One thing i'd like to ask all the people who believe that banning guns will stop this is:

If banning guns doesn't stop mass murders, where would you go next?

Maybe?

Banning everything? There is a comic about this from David Firth:

 

[Nicksfix]

but I can tell you this, Biden isn't all that smart when it comes to guns

That's the understatement of the year. Simply put ..... he's a 🤬 idiot. The recent shotgun videos he has been seen in just prove it ..... solidly !

Well, Thursday is D-Day (sort of .... ). The Senate Judiciary Committe is set to vote on the proposed gun control bills.

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Has anyone else heard about some gun companies boycotting the sales of firearms to the government ?

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This could get interesting.

 

[arora]

Has anyone else heard about some gun companies boycotting the sales of firearms to the government ?

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This could get interesting.

Cool, thanks for posting that, I must have dropped the ball and missed it.

I'm not sure what difference it will make but I reckon on the NY front it might put some pressure

 

[Slash]

Most of the proposed counties are going against it, Genesee (mine) I know for a fact will oppose it.

 

[Zenith]

Has anyone else heard about some gun companies boycotting the sales of firearms to the government ?

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This could get interesting.

There's a lot of companies doing this, according to this blog it's nearly 100.

Magpul, maker of magazines and accessories for AR-15's, is now shutting down production in Colorado where a 30 round magazine ban was just passed and moving to Nevada. Before they leave they are offering special pricing and priority shipping to residents of the state before the ban comes into the state, effectively flooding the state with 30 round magazines. Bravo, I say.

 

[Nicksfix]

There's a lot of companies doing this, according to this blog it's nearly 100.

Magpul, maker of magazines and accessories for AR-15's, is now shutting down production in Colorado where a 30 round magazine ban was just passed and moving to Nevada. Before they leave they are offering special pricing and priority shipping to residents of the state before the ban comes into the state, effectively flooding the state with 30 round magazines. Bravo, I say.

Imagine if the big boys like S&W, Ruger joined in on this. No guns for Government officials until they withdraw their gun bills, and at the same time, they offer up discounted pricing for the loyal citizens who are gun advocates. Hell yeah !

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So what happened at the Senate Judiciary hearing today ?

Quite a lengthy video, but worth watching. Video

A cut down scripted version. Link

Sad day for Maryland gun advocates. Article

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

Is Magpul boycotting yet? Surely that'd carry quite a weight as lots of U.S troops have been using Magpul out in the Middle East (although you're out soon, so maybe not).

 

[Keef]

The good thing about the areas of the country that support guns is they're the ones who make the food for the areas that support gun control. They could simply stop selling them food or restrict it heavily.

The problem is that the Federal government would see that as an attempt at blocking interstate commerce; another problem is that if the rural areas were to export, the largest ports in the country are in areas that support gun control.

It's not an issue that the urban areas have more people than the rural areas because 80% of them are hopeless sissies anyway.

Honestly, the whole heart of this country supports guns. Agriculture and industry are overwhelmingly in support of them. The people who make the things that allow the gun control supporters to do their jobs are the ones carrying all the guns. You might say, oh, but computers run the world these days. Well, you can't make a computer without smelting some metals out of dirt and processing them first. The people that do that like guns because they're men.

I guess I'm just pondering the idea of class warfare in terms of real warfare, like a civil war. I don't doubt it'll happen in the future and I'd go so far as to say I'll be fighting it in my lifetime. Meh.

/ramble

 

[FoolKiller]

Joe Biden says no law abiding citizen has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed.



Stupid or liar?

 

[Nicksfix]

Joe Biden says ...... (anything Biden says is to be taken with a grain of salt)
He has not a clue what he is saying. He is being controlled by the master puppeteer himself ... Obama. The video shows him lying and his stupidity all in one shot.

Gun owners will not be infringed ? Yeah right .... ok ....

Behind the "Master Gun Ban" of Obama and that, that, that thing you call a woman Senator from California, lies an evil ending.

Feinstein has said, and Obama's experts have made the comments about the new gun registration laws. Here is how their new registration will work.

REGISTRATION = CONFISCATION.
CONFISCATION = EXTINCTION

TRUTH

Go ahead, believe them if you so wish. If you do, you are only hurting yourself.

Watch and see :

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and ...

This one

 

[Ardius]

The good thing about the areas of the country that support guns is they're the ones who make the food for the areas that support gun control. They could simply stop selling them food or restrict it heavily.

How democratic.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Joe Biden says no law abiding citizen has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed.

Stupid or liar?

Does it have to be an either/or?

 

[Crash]

How democratic.

Actually, that has nothing to do with democracy. People who farm and grow crops or raise livestock are private citizens with a private business. They are and should be free to sell to whoever they want. The government has no right to force someone to sell something to a person.

You know what kind of government often confiscated food and distribute it to others without the owner's consent? Communists.

What Keef said has nothing to do with the people being able to choose the government and policies that they want through elections.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Actually, that has nothing to do with democracy. People who farm and grow crops or raise livestock are private citizens with a private business. They are and should be free to sell to whoever they want. The government has no right to force someone to sell something to a person.

You know what kind of government often confiscated food and distribute it to others without the owner's consent? Communists.

What Keef said has nothing to do with the people being able to choose the government and policies that they want through elections.

It has everything to do with democracy...because what you described, that is being free to sell to whomever you want...that is democracy.

 

[FoolKiller]

Does it have to be an either/or?

Per incident, yes. As a whole, no. Basically, if he believes his statement is true then he is stupid. If he knows it isn't true then he's lying.

It has everything to do with democracy...because what you described, that is being free to sell to whomever you want...that is democracy.

Um, that is capitalism, which can be exclusive of a democracy. It can exist in a republic, in anarchy, and in a monarchy. It can also be destroyed in a democracy, via tyranny of the majority.

That said, capitalism is a democratic form of business, in that the most success comes from convincing the most people to vote for your goods/services with their money. But it is also tyrannical, as the business owner has the ability to choose who they do and do not sell to. And if they are a successful business leader they will have something so highly valued that they get to dictate the terms of their sale.

 

[Ardius]

Actually, that has nothing to do with democracy. People who farm and grow crops or raise livestock are private citizens with a private business. They are and should be free to sell to whoever they want. The government has no right to force someone to sell something to a person.

You know what kind of government often confiscated food and distribute it to others without the owner's consent? Communists.

What Keef said has nothing to do with the people being able to choose the government and policies that they want through elections.

Democratic = social equality. Forcing people to change their minds by with-holding or restricting their food supply is not exactly encouraging social equality.

Maybe democratic is the wrong word, probably "helpful" is a better word, seeing as it wouldn't help matters, only escalate them. (though I guess some people might see escalating arguments as a solution) I do feel this kind of becomes a question of democracy when you're talking about disagreeing with another opinion (on the country/law) and using some questionable methods to oppose it.

I find it rather bizarre to suggest that people should have the freedom to sell who they want to, but not allowed the freedom to express a differing opinion on gun control. Its not about "freedom", but what you do or do not agree with. Is freedom now a word to hide behind to justify yourself?

 

[Zenith]

They absolutely have the right to express a differing opinion on gun control, they do not have an entitlement to somebody else's product.

I have the freedom to choose not to sell my product to somebody else for whatever reason I choose.

 

[FoolKiller]

Maybe democratic is the wrong word, probably "helpful" is a better word, seeing as it wouldn't help matters, only escalate them. (though I guess some people might see escalating arguments as a solution) I do feel this kind of becomes a question of democracy when you're talking about disagreeing with another opinion (on the country/law) and using some questionable methods to oppose it.

Who escalated what, again? We weren't even discussing gun control six months ago.

I find it rather bizarre to suggest that people should have the freedom to sell who they want to, but not allowed the freedom to express a differing opinion on gun control. Its not about "freedom", but what you do or do not agree with. Is freedom now a word to hide behind to justify yourself?

Gun control advocates support having a product taken away from people or not being sold to them with force. Those people then decide they won't sell their products of their own labor to those who support gun control. How is that different?

And fighting for their freedom is not hiding behind anything. It is defending what they believe freedom is from those who think freedom should have more restrictions. Gun owners aren't looking for a reason to fight. They had a reason thrust at them by those who wish to restrict them.

 

[Ardius]

They absolutely have the right to express a differing opinion on gun control, they do not have an entitlement to somebody else's product.

I have the freedom to choose not to sell my product to somebody else for whatever reason I choose.

Gun control advocates support having a product taken away from people or not being sold to them with force. Those people then decide they won't sell their products of their own labor to those who support gun control. How is that different?

And fighting for their freedom is not hiding behind anything. It is defending what they believe freedom is from those who think freedom should have more restrictions. Gun owners aren't looking for a reason to fight. They had a reason thrust at them by those who wish to restrict them.

I just feel like there is an inconsistent interchanging of the meaning of "freedom" to mean individual freedom or freedom for society as a whole to back up people's own argument.

 

[Zenith]

No there isn't. You have freedom, but you are not immune from the consequences of what you do with that freedom. If you use your freedom to piss off somebody else, they can use their freedom to not sell you their goods.

 

[Nicksfix]

There's a lot of companies doing this, according to this blog it's nearly 100.

Magpul, maker of magazines and accessories for AR-15's, is now shutting down production in Colorado where a 30 round magazine ban was just passed and moving to Nevada. Before they leave they are offering special pricing and priority shipping to residents of the state before the ban comes into the state, effectively flooding the state with 30 round magazines. Bravo, I say.

Magpuls threat to move out of Colorado will cost the state $85 million (pending - the outcome of proposed gun ban legislation)

As the debate unfolds, states have made overtures to Magpul, including offering to pay their moving costs. The company won't name the states, but Wyoming and Texas have expressed interest in netting the $85 million the company projects it will spend in Colorado next year in payments to suppliers, subcontractors and service providers.

"It's not really a threat. It's a promise,"

Bully for Magpul. 👍

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[Slash]

I showed the video of Biden talking to my dad and all he had to say was "Biden go 🤬 yourself"

 

[Nicksfix]

I showed the video of Biden talking to my dad and all he had to say was "Biden go 🤬 yourself"

He's not the only person saying this now-a-days.
All this guy is doing is ruining Obama's push for a ban and strengthening the pro-gun stance. He literally is making himself and his lead cronies out to be a bunch of mis-guided, uninformed a-holes. Watch his videos, read his comments. It's pretty much self explanatory. With this "Ban Team", we pro-gunners will easily shoot down any proposed legislation.

 

[FoolKiller]

I just feel like there is an inconsistent interchanging of the meaning of "freedom" to mean individual freedom or freedom for society as a whole to back up people's own argument.

Without individual freedom there is no freedom for society because any individual person or group's rights are up for debate by society. That is exactly how Hitler justified what he did to the Jews, by making them out to be the cause of their societal problems. If we do not put individual rights first that is the risk we allow to happen.

Now Biden and those who believe in gun control have made an argument that gun owners are the root of our violence problem, ignoring the fact that they are attacking the law-abiding citizens who aren't shooting each other. How is defending oneself inconsistent with being attacked?

 

[Slash]

Latest map on countys in NY opposing the "Safe Act".

 

[Crispy]

That guy needs to be taken out of office. He is seriously insane. Are those his actual words?

 

[a6m5]

I trust you guy have heard about Mark Kelly having purchased an AR-15?

I don't know who to believe, but I first heard a report by a conservative radio that Kelly was "caught" purchasing a AR-15 + high capacity magazine(s) and I think some ammo. They also said that he is only now explaining that he bought the AR-15 to learn hands-on how easy it is to purchase "assault weapons". Here is, at least to me, a really horrible backpedaling job with "you know" throw-in about a hundred times.

If he isn't lying, he's really good at looking like he got caught. The CNN article does not question Kelly's story at all. In the video, it's asked like the question is obligatory, but not even noteworthy.

Also, if you have purchased firearms in the States before, you know about straw purchases. This blog brings up a interesting point, though I don't think Kelly is actually guilty of it. He says he is turning it into the Police, not purchasing it on the behalf of the Police.

 

[Slash]

That guy needs to be taken out of office. He is seriously insane. Are those his actual words?

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Not sure.