Has any one read this article?

[iamjajo]

I read the article and I wonder if it's a fake. It reads like it was written by a child.

I will probably buy Forza because I enjoy racing games. But, there was no reason to restate what is pretty well known about GT5. It sounded more like a rant than anything else.

 

[urunatural]

I have been playing the Gran Turismo series from day 1, more than 10 years I think, and the evolution (read improvement) is just fantastic, like the Porsche 911, getting better every day, if there is anyone playing catch-up here is Forza, I agree with some points in the article like we want DLC, too many Skylines and so on, but hey nobody is perfect, even the Porsche 911 has room for improvement

 

[TankAss95]

I have been playing the Gran Turismo series from day 1, more than 10 years I think, and the evolution (read improvement) is just fantastic, like the Porsche 911, getting better every day, if there is anyone playing catch-up here is Forza, I agree with some points in the article like we want DLC, too many Skylines and so on, but hey nobody is perfect, even the Porsche 911 has room for improvement

It's worrying though when you have more fun playing GT4 than GT5. To be quite honest, I think I enjoyed GT5 better. At least there was the challenge that GT5 doesn't have enough of. And I cannot comment on Forza because I have not played it yet, but Forza 4 looks really good.

 

[isildur]

Having read it I agree with most of what is written about GT5. It is a fair evaluation of the goods and not so good of GT5. I have never played Forza so can't comment on them. I still love GT5 and hope it gets better.

 

[marky5244]

To me that article is spot on regarding GT5.

 

[ADEuk]

Good article agree with most of it.
How can a game that took so long, feel so rushed?
A driving simulator for sure, but not much 'racing' simulation

 

[SkylineObsession]

Oh come on fanboys/girls, the article has some validity just because they don't blatantly support the game you like. I like GT5 but Forza 4 realistically is HUGE competition in the consul racing genre. I agree with IGN that PD should be doing something to combat Turn 10. They've always been, it seems, too underpowered at keeping up with the needs of their fans and gamers. The competition just seems to out-muscle them with content, no matter how much of car enthusiasts they are over at PD.

Take away the bias and be objective. Forza is going to trample all over GT5 and PD/Sony if they don't show they give a crap and take their followers more seriously.

Yeah, some of us will be loyal, me included (due partly to cost of xbox and xbox online service as well as loyalty). I want to see PD succeed and grow, but they gotta throw us a bone for that to happen.

x2.

That was a fairly decent article. I love GT and own every single one, i also really like Forza and have Forza 4 on pre-order (Forza 1 is the only one i don't own). Forza is better than GT in a lot of ways mentioned in the article and has done some things better.
PD still do a better job with car details (from what i've seen from F4, the cars look better than F3, but still not quite premium GT5 quality) and realistic tracks (Nordschliefe for exampe).

PD really do need to step up to the plate though and i'm hoping they are secretly working on some big things.

 

[OldF@rt]

Good article agree with most of it.
How can a game that took so long, feel so rushed?

+1 👍

The vibe I get from the article isn't that the author is hostile to GT, but that he's a GT fan who's frustrated and concerned about PD's apparent complacency and poor design decisions.

To put it bluntly, GT5 was a project management near-disaster and the franchise won't survive another massively late yet underdone release when the likes of Forza and the Shift series, while starting behind, are making massive strides much more quickly, are already better in some respects, and will inevitably overtake it unless PD *massively* reviews its design and development techniques.

 

[Spasiboy]

What a bunch of nonsense in this "article". Period.

 

[piethief100]

I think the article makes some very valid points. Top Gear is comically underused in the game. Why are there so many varieties of one kind of car, whilst others, aren't represented? Why is the VW camper a premium mode model whilst other cars, for instance the Veyron, just standard?

I understand that much time and effort was put into the game, but I completely agree with the author that what PD prioritised developer time on was in some cases ridiculous.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I feel slightly sick having agreed with an IGN reviewer.

 

[sngd]

The article has several good points. This "fanboyism" is utterly stupid.

I love GT5 and i've had all (standard) GT Games since GT1, including Prologues Tourist Trophy and the GT Concept. I like the GT Series, but its this kind of Fanboyism that generates situations such as waiting more than 2 years for an incomplete game.

I prefer the physics of GT5 to those of Forza and that is why I play GT5 and not Forza, but Forza is a great game. It has tons of support, varied cars, full interiors (not that I use 'em on GT5, but it would be good to have 'em, none the less), engine swaps, customization options, etc.

I will continue to play GT5, since, as I said, I prefer the physics. But I would sure like to see a fan base that is not such an asskisser as those of Gran Turismo.

PD sends several messages talking about DLC and no DLC comes out, but all fans excuse PD "because [insert whatever reason]". We wait 3 years and the game has bad AI and only around 400~500 unique cars. PD promises but never delivers, and everybody keeps kissing ass on Kaz and the lot.

Well, PD renders a service, which you pay. If the service is not good, one should complain and not excuse.

Turn 10 is exactly the opposite of PD, it actively supports its community and listens to it (see the DLC packs for Forza 3, such as the Jalopnik Pack).

For anyone with a brain, it is impossible not to acknowledge that Forza is serious competition and a very well made game. It is impossible to acknowlege that PD is disrespectfull of those who buy their products.... however, 90% continue with the fanboyism, granting them the right to ignore the truth... they need to shape up.

 

[kiladonut]

The article has several good points. This "fanboyism" is utterly stupid.

I love GT5 and i've had all (standard) GT Games since GT1, including Prologues Tourist Trophy and the GT Concept. I like the GT Series, but its this kind of Fanboyism that generates situations such as waiting more than 2 years for an incomplete game.

I prefer the physics of GT5 to those of Forza and that is why I play GT5 and not Forza, but Forza is a great game.

It has tons of support, varied cars, full interiors (not that I use 'em on GT5, but it would be good to have 'em, none the less), engine swaps, customization options, etc.

I will continue to play GT5, since, as I said, I prefer the physics. But I would sure like to see a fan base that is not such an asskisser as those of Gran Turismo.

PD sends several messages talking about DLC and no DLC comes out, but all fans excuse PD "because [insert whatever reason]". We wait 3 years and the game has bad AI and only around 400~500 unique cars.

PD promises but never delivers, and everybody keeps kissing ass on Kaz and the lot.

Well, PD renders a service, which you pay. If the service is not good, one should complain and not excuse.

Turn 10 is exactly the opposite of PD, it actively supports its community and listens to it (see the DLC packs for Forza 3, such as the Jalopnik Pack).

I will not buy Forza, just because I don't like the physics, but it is impossible not to aknowledge that it is serious competition and a very well made game.

+1. quoted to reiterate. The article is 100% correct. It might be hard to agree with it seeing as how we are all gt fans but there are nothing but valid points made.

 

[mrkevans]

I pretty much completely agree with the article. Polyphony dropped the ball in so many ways with GT5.... and no, I'm not a Forza Fan. I've been playing GT since the first one.

GT5 is a great game, don't get me wrong, but it could have been so much more...

I 100% agree with you mate, I've been a massive fan since gt1 but pd need to pull somthing out of the hat and soon, gt5 is a great game but it could and should have been epic!

 

[Ras35001]

Well Forza 4 must get the physics / steering right. If not, it doesn`t matter much how good the rest is. It`s the core of any racing game.
I`m not going to buy an Xbox. One gaming console is enough for me. But i`m really interested how the physics / steering is judged by the GT5 enthusiasts.

 

[Samus]

Aaaand now this thread's going to my backburner. Like every other thread that asks a question with 'PD' in it.

Anyway, he obviously goes far too overboard with Top Gear, which I think you'll find the first 4 GT's managed perfectly fine without.

What sort of logic is that? They added a new feature and half baked it, especially compared to someone else's integration of the same content. Saying GT did fine without is irrelevant to the point he is making.

I'm really not bothered about DLC to be honest, when the truth is in fact - it's technically been in the game since Day 1 (but in a different context to what everyone else claims it to be).

I'd love to hear this context of DLC that has been in the game since day one. If you're talking about seasonal events then they're not DLC for the simple fact that you don't need to download them.

You do know 90 percent of DLC in games is actually on the disk and your paying to unlock it? Thats not caring thats just greediness

I'd love to see some proof of that. In terms of Xbox I'm pretty sure it's against the rules set by MS to do that. Also as a random example, plenty of DLC cars on Forza 3 have been cars that haven't been announced before the game is released, so not possible to be on the disc. The large downloads for DLC also counters your theory that it's on the disc.

I have to say, I don't get this whole DLC thing either. Why would I want new content I actually have to pay for? I just want new content, which should have been part of the game in the first place. So far, I've refused to pay for any DLC, unless I don't have the game yet and it doesn't actually cost all that much extra to add the DLC on initial purchase.

Most DLC content is content completed by the developers after the game is sent for certification. Why should it be free to you, they grafted to complete it just as they did the main game.

 

[7Sins]

As much as IGN are biased XBox fanboys, I found they hit the nail on the head with this article.

GT5 is still a love/hate relationship with me.

 

[piethief100]

As much as IGN are biased XBox fanboys, I found they hit the nail on the head with this article.

GT5 is still a love/hate relationship with me.

Couldn't agree more. I'm a fan of GT5, I'm guessing we all are being members of this forum, but that doesn't mean there aren't significant flaws in it.

To say GT5 is a perfect game is absurd, and the article is actually a pretty good summary of where the flaws are that prevent this game from being perfect.

Competition is usually a good thing for the consumer, however, so I can only hope that PD will learn the lessons that Forza, and other racers, teach for GT6.

 

[PletdeKoe]

As always gamesites (especially IGN) are starting the hype by writing very uninteresting articles of a game to come. The only thing I hated about the article is the DLC debate.

Forza 4 isn't even out yet, but they already have trailers on their upcoming DLC pack. Fully modelled and ingame footage that is..... In other words. The programming for these cars is done. They leave it out of the game on purpose!!!

GT5 hasn't had any DLC yet. There have been a lot of seasonal event additions. Not because they left is out of the game. They just added more. Of course... an event is a lot easier than new cars and tracks.

What I am trying to say is this. DLC like Forza (and a lot of other games) is killing my love for new games. I hate it. Of course GT5 is far from perfect, but I am still playing it almost every day for at least an hour. No other game has done that over such a long period of time (it's been nearly a year).

 

[symustafa1996]

Look, most of the Miatas and S2000 feels the same, so why include them? And why does the VW KubelWagen get premium priority, not the Veyron? And Forza 4 may have less cars, but they all have cockpit views. Its just such a disappointment. There are a lot of questions, but none have been answered. Isn't GT TV supposed to be regularly updated? And now that the races doesn't require licenses, its not fun anymore. With the seasonals, its like they are making the game easier. The series is getting predictable. And the tracks? What the hell happened? GT4 had like twice as much. And the track maker? I was expecting it to be like ModNation Racers. More contact with the road.
GT5 is a great game, but its just not good enough for a Gran Turismo game.

 

[Samus]

GT5 hasn't had any DLC yet. There have been a lot of seasonal event additions. Not because they left is out of the game. They just added more. Of course... an event is a lot easier than new cars and tracks.

Yes you're right A-Spec wasn't horribly lacking at all, those 100 odd events compared to 500 odd on GT4 were more than fulfilling, with seasonal events just adding to that massive event list. 👎

 

[Snakebitten]

The fanboi's that say the article is wrong/crap etc should try to remove the emotion and read the facts of the article. I agree with the article 1000000%. What PD did with the Top Gear liscence is patently foolish along with so many other things they just got wrong. They got many things right however, but the wrong stuff just overpowers the good stuff for many of us.

I do think PD is in a bubble. Nothing gamers or other game makers do/say seems to light a fire under them as regards GT5. I'm hoping they will shut us up with some excellent PD redeeming DLC.

 

[C-ZETA]

I'd love to hear this context of DLC that has been in the game since day one. If you're talking about seasonal events then they're not DLC for the simple fact that you don't need to download them.

Stealth Models, Chrome Lines, the Camaro Edge and the Gamestop NASCAR are technically 'DLC' even if not everyone can necessarily obtain them.

 

[Samus]

Stealth Models, Chrome Lines, the Camaro Edge and the Gamestop NASCAR are technically 'DLC' even if not everyone can necessarily obtain them.

Well ok yes, but that obviously isn't relevant to the point the writer of the article was trying to make.

Bash Turn 10 and their DLC models all you like but 120 extra cars over 12 months of DLC, most of those cars being either new models or heavily requested cars from the community can only a good thing for the consumer. Remember, nobody is forcing you to download them but the option was/is there if you want them.

I mean, here are the cars added by Turn 10 since Forza 3 launched in October 2009.

2009 Aston Martin #007 Aston Martin Racing Lola
2009 Audi #2 Audi Sport Team Joest R15 TDI
2010 Audi S4
2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
2010 Ferrari 599xx
2010 Jaguar XFR
2010 Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SV
2009 Mercedes SLR Stirling Moss
2010 Nissan GT-R SpecV
2010 Porsche Panamera Turbo
2009 Audi RS 6
2010 Ford Shelby GT500
2009 Lotus 2-Eleven
2010 Aston Martin One-77
2010 Porsche Boxster S
2009 Audi R8 LMS Show Car
2010 Pagani Zonda R
2010 Saleen S5S Raptor
2010 BMW Motorsport M6 Coupe
2010 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport
2008 Mazda Furai
2010 Honda Civic Type R Mugen
2009 Robertson Racing Ford GT #40
2010 Aston Martin Rapide
2011 BMW Z4
2010 Audi TT RS
2010 RSR Jaguar XKR
2010 Porsche 911 Sport Classic
2010 Aston Martin V10 Vantage
1992 Bugatti EB110SS
2010 SEAT Leon Cupra R
2010 Mazda MX-5 Superlight
2010 Bentley Continental Supersports
2010 Mini Coupé Concept
2010 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG
2009 Holden HSV w427
2010 Volkswagen Golf R
2010 Ford Taurus SHO
2010 Renault Megane RS 250
2010 Vauxhall Insignia VXR
2010 Gumpert Apollo S
2010 Spyker C8 Laviolette LM85
2010 SSC Ultimate Aero
2010 Devon GTX
2010 Rossion Q1
2010 Joss JT1
2010 Mosler MT900S
2010 Radical SR8 Supersport
2010 Wiesmann GT MF5
2010 Spada Vetture Sport Codatronca TS
2010 Lotus Evora Type 124
2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8
2010 Ford Fusion Sport
2010 Legacy Subaru 2.5B
2010 Morgan Aero Supersport
2010 Mercedes Benz SLK 55 AMG
2010 Bertone Mantide
2010 Mazdaspeed 3
2010 BMW X6 M
2010 Peugeot 308 RCZ
2011 McLaren MP4-12C
2010 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG
2010 Mercedes-Benz CL 65 AMG
2011 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
2010 Fiat Punto Evo SPORT
2010 Acura TSX V6
2010 Kia Forte Koup SX
2011 Mazda 2
2011 Citroën DS3
2010 Mitsubishi Colt Ralliart
1971 AMC Javelin-AMX
1973 BMW Motorsport 2002 Turbo
1970 Chevrolet El Camino SS 454
1971 De Tomaso Pantera
1982 DeLorean DMC-12
1987 Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth
1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II
1978 Saab 99 Turbo
1983 Volvo 242 Turbo Evolution
1957 Ferrari 250 California


Look at how many 2010 and 2011 cars are there. I'm not going to hunt the information down but i'd bet many of those cars weren't out when Forza 3 went gold. Then the last 10 were community choice cars. Where is the 2010 and 2011 car DLC in GT5? Where are the cars the community is asking for? Nowhere. Given the option most GT5 players would take something similar even if they won't admit it on this forum.

 

[MitchZ06]

So hang on, let me get this straight. An article is written with entirely valid points and is shot to bits as being wrong and 'hate' by a GT5 forum....Seems to me some people don't like the truth and the fanboys would rather hold their hands on their ears going "LALALALALALALALA" and not see just how terrible PD is with community relations and actually providing a finished product.

You want a half baked game with too many ideas, framerate drop and 80% of the cars being of last generation console? Stick with GT5.

You want a game with no compromises, a livery editor, solid framerate, 100% of the cars at the current gen console quality, more modern and relevant cars, continuous support and 'something new' monthly (bring up Seasonal Events and you're putting your hand up for a throat punching), and a whole host of other things people actually want? Buy FM4.

 

[Samus]

So hang on, let me get this straight. An article is written with entirely valid points and is shot to bits as being wrong and 'hate' by a GT5 forum....Seems to me some people don't like the truth and the fanboys would rather hold their hands on their ears going "LALALALALALALALA" and not see just how terrible PD is with community relations and actually providing a finished product.

You want a half baked game with too many ideas, framerate drop and 80% of the cars being of last generation console? Stick with GT5.

You want a game with no compromises, a livery editor, solid framerate, 100% of the cars at the current gen console quality, more modern and relevant cars, continuous support and 'something new' monthly (bring up Seasonal Events and you're putting your hand up for a throat punching), and a whole host of other things people actually want? Buy FM4.

Nail firmly whacked on the head.

 

[Energizerrr]

The artice is 100% correct but they just can't compare GT5 to a game which isn't even out yet, nor should they even compare GT to FMS.

Comparing GT to FMS is like comparing Ferrari to Koenigscegg. Yes, Koenigscegg is faster now but c'mon, Ferrari's a Ferrari (longer history, had cars which literally made history etc).

 

[TankAss95]

So hang on, let me get this straight. An article is written with entirely valid points and is shot to bits as being wrong and 'hate' by a GT5 forum....Seems to me some people don't like the truth and the fanboys would rather hold their hands on their ears going "LALALALALALALALA" and not see just how terrible PD is with community relations and actually providing a finished product.

You want a half baked game with too many ideas, framerate drop and 80% of the cars being of last generation console? Stick with GT5.

You want a game with no compromises, a livery editor, solid framerate, 100% of the cars at the current gen console quality, more modern and relevant cars, continuous support and 'something new' monthly (bring up Seasonal Events and you're putting your hand up for a throat punching), and a whole host of other things people actually want? Buy FM4.

Truth. The thing that really annoys me about PD though that they cannot even give out consistent seasonal events. I have never played Forza 3 but from what I've heard Turn 10 are really consistent with there management etc. PD are a bit chaotic in comparison, they really need to focus on what is necessary and what is not.

We did not need 3D option or head tracking.
We did need tire pressure options, more linear a-spec, better A.I. , realistic damage, realistic tire depletion, ability to choose weather and time in practice mode, more race modifications... I could mention far more but I'm sure you get the point.

 

[FyreandIce]

So much denial and butt hurt in this thread. It's actually quite funny.

 

[Samus]

We did not need 3D option or head tracking.

The reason they put all that stuff in (Well, the 3D at least) is the same reason Forza has all of the kinect crap. Pressure from the top. Sony wanted 3D on the game, MS want Kinect in their game.

 

[1KNm)]

I do in fact agree on pointing out the car rooster segment, one being better on Poorza 4 and actually UP TO DATE.. And that goes for GT5s loss in quality over quantity. Also true is the Top Gear segment failure, the start line and unvisible barriers locking us up in one track full of cones.

That said.. this is the only race in which GT5 looses against FM4 (IMO!).

Read carefully,

The experience of SPEED in GT5 is fenomenal, the braking is absolutely spot on and the fact that (with the appropriate Home Media, and settings for it) you wont come any closer to the reality feel!

Still I have seen the replays of Forza 4, but the gameplay just reminds me of a colorful cartoon movie with reflections that really do not compete with the in-game feel that GT5 offers (with the premium cars!).

The sound is another issue where FM is said to be better, well, implications of such feel would be the Vtec kick that I personally miss, but as well in FM you can turn your camera angle over and out, the sound wont differ wich is lame. In GT5 therefore, the cockpit sound and the chase camera view is IMO better (PREMIUM CARS).

With a good cinema gear, and "large theatre" setting, as well as a good CALIBRATED tv, crank the volume up and you can feel every single detail crisp as .. well I skip the metaphor thing.. It looks and feels REAL, which is GT5s SOUL.

Oh yea, fix some issues with our way of communicating, searching and playing online, the community "function" sucks IMO, I want to share the fun in an easier way.


Please PD, give us some Up-to date cars, set the ugly ones to Premium, and we all can truly enjoy GT5 as the best "real life simulator" of racing it represents.

Im out!