This is just incorrect. Toyota had a long history of producing championship-winning rally cars long before group B. Toyota Celica Twin Cam Turbo won half a dozen Group B rallies.
Where? Before and to the end of group B (1986) the entire list of WRC champions are;
So you are just going to ignore the fact the Rx7 dominated for nearly an entire decade in the IMSA GTU class..Got to promote some fun discussion when you're bored.
I stand by my point which is Japanese manufacturers only tend to win when the current status quo leave and that GT7 is shamelessly biased.
Ford powered half the F1 grid for about 20 years with the DFV, including constructors champions. It's widely regarded as the best F1 engine ever built. So I'm talking historically as well as the present - the whole thing.
As I said with WRC, Japan was literally nowhere until Group B was banned. Most of the top manufacturers and independents left or lost interest. Only after Audi showing the way with the quattro did the Japanese super saloon's take over...
...which is a similar story with WEC. There's almost no other manufacturers competing. Kind of easy to win when there is no-one to race.
And when they do try to race where there is unlimited competition with an entire car, not just an engine as per F1, they have failed embarassingly.
Honda engines won 6 constructor's championships in a row, through an engine formula change from turbo to NA, beating the likes of Ferrari, BMW, Renault, Porsche & Ford to name a few.
No, that wasn't your point. You just changed your point, to this slightly less stupid but still wrong point, when you got your arse handed to you on a plate.
Which was cherry picking. Then, when it was revealed to you that Japan has a strong history of competing against "Corvettes, 911s, BMWs, etc", you moved the goal posts to recent times because, "30 yEaRs AgO" & tried to continue limiting the discussion to just 1 specific class.
Show me that strong history. I didn't limit it to a class, I'm asking Japan's best sports cars, their halo cars competing on the world stage. We got the RX7 and R32 in the 80s early 90s. Where are they now? 1 GTD championship and 2nd place with the RCF in GTPRO.
I already did.
What class do you think these cars (Viper GTS-R, Corvette C5R/C6R/C7R, 911, Ford GTLM) mainly raced in? Hint: It's the one the manufacturers field their own teams in & at one point, was just GM vs privateers. Then it was Porsche & Chevrolet until the class actually expanded.
Out of production alongside the other Japanese halo cars you've tried to bring up. Your argument repeatedly centered around an era of American sports cars when Japan wasn't competing on that level; again, by wanting to purposely cherry pick & ignore that their efforts in the era of the "Viper GTS-R, Corvette C5R/C6R/C7R, 911, Ford GTLM" were in LMP & attempting to win the championships overall. You even ironically said, "People remember the cars who won" & yet here you are going, "Don't count".
Something you didn't even know about 48 hours ago.
Yah bruh.
There's the GT4 European Series that Toyota has gotten back into with the Supra & I believe won in 2021. Should be an acceptable measure of race car by your determined restriction of, "street driven" given GT4 cars are a lot closer to road legal than x.Rs, Ford GTLMs, & RSRs. But, of course, you also wanted to exclude rally racing which weirdly negates the, "street driven/road car" restriction given rally cars are street legal.jergto
Like I said I was at the Laguna Seca race earlier this year, I got in with Lexus since my brother owns an RCF. I actually did not care at all about that car. Cared more about getting to drive a CT4 and CT5, both blackwings outside the track. I don't remember if the RCF won.
So your best rebuttal is prototypes which do not resemble any sports cars, do they resemble engines with production cars? LOL
That doesn't exclude your ignorance, but it reveals enough at the same time.
You're so caught up on this absolutely insignificant detail that A) It wasn't my argument, it is was highlighting for the 'Xth' amount of time that you cherry pick a specific class. B) It absolutely highlights the hypocrisy in this entire argument because you wanted Rally Cars excluded as well except those cars are street legal unlike GTLM/GTD cars, but anyone with half a brain can probably understand why you don't want those cars brought up. Same reason you don't want SuperGT/LMP/Nascar/Open Wheel cars brought up.
I'm not well versed in rally cars nor have I actually driven rally. The basis of my comparison is something we can actually have first hand experience in like driving the cars I've been talking about. Not fantasy land where you can drive prototype cars on the street. Let me guess, you've driven rally cars and the street version of that car?
That is not what you insinuated at all.
The manufacturer wins were to back up the pedigree of the cars I've been mentioning have. Yet in GT7 they cant even get the color and fitment right, at least for my car. And experience from what the OP has posted. Not to mention the limited mods you can do to the American cars. C'mon are you that much of a fanboy that you don't see the bias?
No one ever said they didn't have pedigree.
I hate to break it to you, but this is an unfortunate occurrence that happens in other games as well. Has nothing to do with "purposeful bias".
What in the **** does this have anything to do with your short sighted history of Japanese motorsports? I've long been critical of the game's other areas.
Yes, the rules require them to be street legal because they take part on public roads. And yes, judging by the current ruling, they might just pass emissions in Cali.
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