Has Forza 3 suppressed you appetite for GT5?

[Tapey]

Every third party game looks better on the 360 than PS3

Ahahaha no, sorry you have no idea what you're talking about. Even when the PS3 launched it had a bunch of superior versions of 360 games, and even now continues to get superior versions of multiplat games. There's also a wealth of games where the difference is non-existant or so small it's not visible during gameplay.

Personally, I'd rather trust Wikipedia.

Trusting Wikipedia is silly, since a lot of information on there is not factual. The reality is though in October Forza 3 only sold 175,000 copies lol. Now when you consider that even before launch, GT5P had 1million+ preorders in the UK alone? Welp.

 

[deep_sky]

Personnaly, i'd rather trust gamespot and NPD's numbers. Forza 3, 8th place with 175 000 copies sold in United States, that's not a commercial succes, Uncharted 2 with three times more is a success. With Modern Warfare 2 in november i wouldn't be surprise if Forza 2 doesn't make the top10.

Forza 3 did come out on the 27th, while UC2 came out on the 13th, so there's a chance it might rise in November before MW2 hit, but it does seem a little low.

But like I said before FM3's been strong in UK, topping the chart, and staying the top 3-6. Racing games seem more popular in Europe than the US. Maybe NASCAR in GT5 will help GT5 get numbers in the US like it got for GT3.

 

[Tenacious D]

Tenacious, you well know that FFXIII was once being coded specifically and solely for PS3, so the difference is marked, as SE would never have thought about how they were going to port it to the 360, as a 360 version wasn't in their plans.

I'm a bit lost here, because I'm not sure where:

it's easier to port from a PS3 dev kit to a 360 dev kit and get stellar results

says any differently. Maybe if you read a little more closely and do less conclusion jumping?

Anyway, Prologue's million unit pre-order stunned just about everyone. FW3's 175,000 sales number last month isn't shocking or anything, but that is odd. If Europe's numbers are stuck in there somewhere, that would be rather disappointing. I know Uncharted is mentioned at selling a million units globally already. Maybe the demo turned a percentage of potential buyers off, or GT5 rumors held down sales. Or maybe F3 just isn't a big enough jump for a lot of folk, or as shiny next to Prologue. If not for the livery improvements, I might have held off too because I'm not exactly in love with Forza's feel like I am GT.

It has the potential to sell better than F2, but it's hard to say. The things I like about it aren't universally shared.

 

[happycorey]

Didn't GT5P sell more than FM2?

 

[Joey D]

Trusting Wikipedia is silly, since a lot of information on there is not factual. The reality is though in October Forza 3 only sold 175,000 copies lol. Now when you consider that even before launch, GT5P had 1million+ preorders in the UK alone? Welp.

It sold 175,000 over 5 days, it's not like it only sold that over the course of a month. The number one selling game in October was Uncharted 2, which sold 537,000 copies over an 18 day period. To put that into perspective Forza sold 35,000 copies per day while Uncharted 2 only sold 29,833 copies per day.

I swear I've already had to do this once before....actually I did, it was here. Although I mistakenly used 4 days instead of 5 for Forza.

Please get your facts straight before making a post like that.

 

[IsmokeGT]

It sold 175,000 over 5 days, it's not like it only sold that over the course of a month. The number one selling game in October was Uncharted 2, which sold 537,000 copies over an 18 day period. To put that into perspective Forza sold 35,000 copies per day while Uncharted 2 only sold 29,833 copies per day.

I swear I've already had to do this once before....actually I did, it was here. Although I mistakenly used 4 days instead of 5 for Forza.

Please get your facts straight before making a post like that.

Don't games usually sell more copies the first week? Arent the preordered copies counted as first week sales?
If the answer is 'yes' to either of those question, then your post has crooked facts just like the guy you quoted.

Here is a good chart showing how crappy Forza did considering first week sales exclusively-
http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=5637
note the number of GT5 Prologue first week sales...

 

[Seismica]

Why do people keep saying Forza was a commercial failure? <100,000 in the first week would be a failure, but Forza 3 did better than around 95% of the other games on the market.

It wasn't a very anticipated game, there wern't many pre-orders. I see 3 reasons for this:

1) Modern Warfare 2, most were keeping their money for this release (i would expect FM3 sales to hit 1.5 million before christmas.)
2) Forza 2, many played the demo and decided to stick with Forza 2. There have been few improvements, and many FM3 buyers have went back to FM2, or so i've heard. Plus, you don't buy several DLC packs and then move straight onto another game. You want to play the game in full before moving onto the next.
3) GT5; The hotly anticipated racer that we are all waiting for. If Forza 3 turns out to be better than GT5 will be, i will eat my mattress.

 

[Kryz11]

Update.
I can say no, FM3 did not suppressed my appetite for GT5, because I stop playing with it, it became boring quick.. Had the game with 1st release. Even my brother stop playing the game...

Same thing with GT5P, I stop playing for couple of months now..

I just can't wait for GT5..

And in a week or two, I am going back to iRacing!

 

[McLaren]

Don't games usually sell more copies the first week? Arent the preordered copies counted as first week sales?
If the answer is 'yes' to either of those question, then your post has crooked facts just like the guy you quoted.

Here is a good chart showing how crappy Forza did considering first week sales exclusively-
http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=5637
note the number of GT5 Prologue first week sales...

Funny how that site & the site another member used to discredit FM3 says different....

So, which is it? 830,000+ through the first week, or 537,000 for October?

 

[IsmokeGT]

Funny how that site & the site another member used to discredit FM3 says different....

So, which is it? 830,000+ through the first week, or 537,000 for October?

I showed a chart that was exclusively first week sales, I dont which is correct. BUT I do know both charts have lower numbers for Forza 3 than than anyone expected.

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/5980.html

 

[McLaren]

I showed a chart that was exclusively first week sales, I dont which is correct. BUT I do know both charts have lower numbers for Forza 3 than than anyone expected.

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/5980.html

Considering 175,000 copies were sold within 5 days, that's not that bad as Joey already explained.

Your link, however, doesn't do much for whatever your argument is. All I see there is an editor estimating numbers.

 

[IsmokeGT]

Considering 175,000 copies were sold within 5 days, that's not that bad as Joey already explained.

Your link, however, doesn't do much for whatever your argument is. All I see there is an editor estimating numbers.

Im trying to be polite...
If you read the previous couple post you might understand. A guy was comparing a month of sales for Unchartered 2 to the 5 days of sales for Forza 3 by averaging the daily sales. As I already explained, with evidence, this is scewing the numbers because of the spike in first week sales.

 

[Tapey]

It sold 175,000 over 5 days, it's not like it only sold that over the course of a month. The number one selling game in October was Uncharted 2, which sold 537,000 copies over an 18 day period. To put that into perspective Forza sold 35,000 copies per day while Uncharted 2 only sold 29,833 copies per day.

I swear I've already had to do this once before....actually I did, it was here. Although I mistakenly used 4 days instead of 5 for Forza.

Please get your facts straight before making a post like that.

I did get my facts straight.

Fact: October NPD lists Forza 3 as selling 175,000 copies

Fact: GT5P had over 1 million preorders in Europe alone before launch

None of what I said is up for debate, it's cold hard fact.

It has the potential to sell better than F2, but it's hard to say. The things I like about it aren't universally shared.

Not really no. Forza 2's sales were artificially boosted by being a bundled game (along with Marvel Ultimate Alliance) for Xbox 360 consoles for quite a long time, and Microsoft counted each sale of a console as a sale for Forza 2. I doubt that Forza 3 could get anywhere near Forza 2's sales figures unless they make it a bundled game too.

I think it says it all though when for the first week of owning Forza 3, I'd go online and matchmaking would say that at most there were only about 7000 people online lol. It picked up a week later when the game landed in America but judging by the leaderboards and amount of people playing online, I really don't think many Europeans bought it.

 

[evilfoxhound]

Forza 2 was the most bundled videogame of ALL TIME (Well, behind mario Bros and Wii Sports LOL)

I worked in retail during the year that it released and it was given away with practically every xbox 360 acessory (Even the control pad!) and this went on for about six months.

In fact, my local Blockbuster has had a wall of used Forza 2 copies for about a year (Literally a WALL of them.) Basically, a result of giving it away to anyone and everyone.

I liked Forza 2, in fact, it's one of my all time fave' games. But MS cheated to boost sales figures.

 

[Terronium-12]

I did get my facts straight.

Fact: October NPD lists Forza 3 as selling 175,000 copies

Fact: GT5P had over 1 million preorders in Europe alone before launch

None of what I said is up for debate, it's cold hard fact.

Alright...I'm going to throw out a little bit of a theoretical premise here; did you ever consider that maybe GT5P had over 1 million preoders before launch was due to the fact that, oh, I don't know...GT5 is long overdue?

Besides, how is that relevant to FM being or not being a "commercial flop" based upon the units sold as of that report? By the logic listed above every game on that list is a flop compared to Prologue then.

 

[Joey D]

Don't games usually sell more copies the first week? Arent the preordered copies counted as first week sales?
If the answer is 'yes' to either of those question, then your post has crooked facts just like the guy you quoted.

I'm going by the information which was present. I don't know if preorders were counted or not.

I did get my facts straight.

Fact: October NPD lists Forza 3 as selling 175,000 copies

Fact: GT5P had over 1 million preorders in Europe alone before launch

None of what I said is up for debate, it's cold hard fact.

Except you presented it completely wrong. Yes it sold 175,000 units...over 5 days. That's something you failed to mention. I don't see how selling that many units over 5 days is bad.

I should have never stuck my head in this thread, the GT Fanboyism and the Forza hate is rank.

 

[Lain]

Bottom line is regardless of how it stacks up against GT5P, 175k copies sold in 5 days is by no measure a "flop".

 

[myke6699]

Bottom line is regardless of how it stacks up against GT5P, 175k copies sold in 5 days is by no measure a "flop".

MS will probably be the one who decides whether FM3 is a flop or not. Besides, the NDP number is US only and lately it hasn't been warming up to almost anything from the racing genre. Even Prologue number was much lower than Forza 3. EU on the other hand is voracious when it comes to driving games and although FM3 sales for the first 3 weeks doesn't match that of Prologue, it's still a pretty healthy number.

 

[Terronium-12]

I don't understand how racing games don't sell very well here, for that matter I don't understand how the US is the only country (that I'm aware of) that doesn't see Top Gear unless it's from several seasons ago.

 

[TrievelA7X]

I don't understand how racing games don't sell very well here, for that matter I don't understand how the US is the only country (that I'm aware of) that doesn't see Top Gear unless it's from several seasons ago.

watch bbc then.

 

[happycorey]

BBC America, which doesn't show any recently up to date seasons. I've concluded however that it's because of the different language allowances between the countries, and other clips are edited out and edited differently for the US airwaves.

 

[Seismica]

Top Gear should be showed in the US unedited, much the same way US shows are shown unedited in the UK. If people complain about JC critiscising/making fun of the US, or have problems with the slight language differences, it doesn't matter because us brits have had much worse from shows like family guy *shrug*

Meh you can always catch top gear on various websites anyway, most of the challenges are shown on youtube on unofficial channels that arn't region locked.

Plus i don't think Top Gear has that much of an affect. I think that in the US, cars and fuel are (in general) cheaper, and the average wage in the US is higher than most European countries (with the exception of places like Luxembourg which have a population of 10,000 or something). It means people don't have to do this in a game, they can go out and build they own cars and compete on their local racetrack. More people do that in the US than anywhere else. The tuning community over there i've heard is huge.

Oh yeah i forgot to mention, Gran Turismo 1 and 2 were out before Top Gear released its new and improved entertainment format, and GT3 was out before it became popular too. Sales of those 3 were highest in Europe too.

 

[Custer85]

GT5 GTTV will most likely feature TopGear. So everyone can watch it, though I guess it will cost money.
Iam from Germany and TopGear is not broadcasted here, since we got nearly 8 other TV shows that are similar to what TopGear does.
But there is a Show on DMAX (D Motor), which seems to be pretty close to TopGear, they even had a show, in which TopGear and D Motor guys (and one girl, Sabine Schmitz , she drives the BMW M5 Ringtaxi at the Nordschlife) fought eachother in several different "races".
Though England won in the end (The Stig won the deciding race) it was fun to watch.

But thats one of the aspects that is going to make GT5 great. Its obvious, that Polyphony Digital has a very good relationship to everything that has to do with cars. Kaz drives races, they designed stuff (computer and performence screen layout) for the Nissan GTR, they give away prices for best of show on several events, they are sponsoring many race events and they formed partnerships with several manufacturers.
Gran Turismo really captures the spirit of the automobile Industry and the people that consider themselves gearheads.
I missed that spirit, I missed the soul in Forza Motorsport 3, it just feels like every other game on the market.

 

[TokyoDrift]

Personally, I'd rather trust Wikipedia.

Personally, I trust places like Metacritic and Gamerankings, because they compile the reviews and scores from almost all known popular sources. I can then read the words, ponder the ratings, and make my own judgement of the game and how it has performed.

I'm not going to get into another debate over how "meaningless" sites like that are, because it's a pointless argument. The sites are relevant, and present the information for you to agree or disagree with.

I find it rather sad that the debate over Forza 3 is still raging on, despite being clearly well accepted by the reviewing and gaming community. Yes, it has its flaws...so what? Every single game has its flaws, including the oh-so-mighty Gran Turismo series. I read statements like "even long-time Forza fans are disappointed", but with no weight behind it. The problem is this forum. By its very nature, you lot represent a tiny proportion of racing fans out there, and an even smaller proportion of fans who would favour anything Xbox-related. As such, the natural bias that results really means that your arguments are falling on deaf ears.

Forza 3 is, without doubt, a very good, entertaining racing game. It offers a wealth of customisation that GT can currently only dream about, so you can do one of two things - acquire the means to play the game and enjoy it for what it is, or what for GT5 and let the rest of the gamers enjoy it without feeling the need to ridicule their opinions.

 

[happycorey]

Top Gear should be showed in the US unedited, much the same way US shows are shown unedited in the UK. If people complain about JC critiscising/making fun of the US, or have problems with the slight language differences, it doesn't matter because us brits have had much worse from shows like family guy *shrug*

Meh you can always catch top gear on various websites anyway, most of the challenges are shown on youtube on unofficial channels that arn't region locked.

Plus i don't think Top Gear has that much of an affect. I think that in the US, cars and fuel are (in general) cheaper, and the average wage in the US is higher than most European countries (with the exception of places like Luxembourg which have a population of 10,000 or something). It means people don't have to do this in a game, they can go out and build they own cars and compete on their local racetrack. More people do that in the US than anywhere else. The tuning community over there i've heard is huge.

Oh yeah i forgot to mention, Gran Turismo 1 and 2 were out before Top Gear released its new and improved entertainment format, and GT3 was out before it became popular too. Sales of those 3 were highest in Europe too.

If the US had a show like Top Gear (or Top Gear was shown frequently) it would be a lot better off. In fact there was supposed to be an American Top Gear, but the presenters wouldn't have been funny/as funny, and most Americans don't get the Brits humor. I find a lot of the stuff funny, but even then there's some things that I'm left in the dark because I don't know the reference.

I mean the language would have to be dealt with.. The American TV is so anal about anything and everything to protect all the innocent childrens little ears it wouldn't fly.

I absolutely LOVE Top Gear though, the presenters altogether make the show what it is, and even though it seems they are getting more 'scripted' it's always a good laugh, and reviewing cars is something we don't get on American TV. Okay I lied, we get Supercars Exposed and Motortrend SOMETIMES on Speed, but those are possibly the two most boring shows on television. I hate watching them because they're so dull and lifeless. Jeremy Clarkson and his co-hosts actually have a passion for it and it shows. The presenters on the two shows I mentioned couldn't be any less entertaining.

Average fuel and car costs are INCREDIBLY less. Road tax and all that other crap? Driving is a fortune in Europe. But I wish there were more laws against cars in the US like the size of the engines and such, because there would be a 5L V8 with only 250hp, JUST because they could make a 5L V8, there is nothing technical, and there is no efficiency behind the madness, unless European and Japanese cars, there is thought and innovation in each motor.

But that is also what makes all the tuning companies here so successful, Underground Racing (twin turbo Lamborghini specialists) Hennessey muscle car tuners, and even in the import community is further along than some top Japanese tuners. There is no government limit on what we can do to cars (in some states it is worse than others) but in Florida we are virtually free.

they even had a show, in which TopGear and D Motor guys (and one girl, Sabine Schmitz , she drives the BMW M5 Ringtaxi at the Nordschlife) fought eachother in several different "races".
Though England won in the end (The Stig won the deciding race) it was fun to watch.

That was a good episode haha 👍

But thats one of the aspects that is going to make GT5 great. Its obvious, that Polyphony Digital has a very good relationship to everything that has to do with cars. Kaz drives races, they designed stuff (computer and performence screen layout) for the Nissan GTR, they give away prices for best of show on several events, they are sponsoring many race events and they formed partnerships with several manufacturers.
Gran Turismo really captures the spirit of the automobile Industry and the people that consider themselves gearheads.
I missed that spirit, I missed the soul in Forza Motorsport 3, it just feels like every other game on the market.

Yeah there was something about FM3 that just didn't do anything for me. I just wanted to advance and get the next best car, or the next fastest car. I didn't want to take my time with a car, or when I won a lot of money, and build a lower class car, the power it would have rendered the car useless. I couldn't even have a decent race without spinning through 4th. I know in GT5 even though I'm going to save up for the Enzo, or save up for the Lambos, I'm going to enjoy them just as much as I'm going to enjoy the Honda Civic I build for time attacks. The entire feel of the game is so much more solid and even if I spend a day saving up for another car, I know I can spend an entire day snapping photos of the car I have gladly built. Not a halfassed photomode where the graphics in the picture look worse than the graphics in the game. Kaz puts his passion of the car industry into the game, not just trying to make a buck and one up the competition

 

[yogaflame]

Honestly for racing sim fans Forza 3 can really help suppress the hunger and frustration of not having GT5 yet. With a possible Fall launch , there is no other way to be happy for racing sim fan for almost a year, but to buy Forza 3

 

[deep_sky]

Forza 2 was the most bundled videogame of ALL TIME[...]I liked Forza 2, in fact, it's one of my all time fave' games. But MS cheated to boost sales figures.

Sony aren't exactly exempt from guilt here either; Prologue was bundled as well, and part of three different bundles as far as I can remember.

And lest we forget GT3 in the NA; 7 million sold when part of a PS2 bundle; 3 million when GT4 was sold separate. I think GT5 will be the most bundled game of this gen - maybe ever - as it's Sony's most important release in a long time, and the game that people are expecting huge things from.

And this bundling will inflate GT sales heavily. But I doubt GT supporters will complain if it helps it outsell Forza.

 

[Dr.Boss.]

To post ON TOPIC, Forza take a back seat to Need For Speed Shift; which is currently keeping me busy while i wait for GT5. I know i know, the NFS franchise has sucked for a while. But once you turn off the driver assists and get your controller set right, turning laps around the Nürburgring Gesamtstrecke has never been so fun.

If you are looking for something to tied you over until GT5, NFS Shift is my recommendation.

 

[cobraagent90]

If the US had a show like Top Gear (or Top Gear was shown frequently) it would be a lot better off. In fact there was supposed to be an American Top Gear, but the presenters wouldn't have been funny/as funny, and most Americans don't get the Brits humor. I find a lot of the stuff funny, but even then there's some things that I'm left in the dark because I don't know the reference.

I mean the language would have to be dealt with.. The American TV is so anal about anything and everything to protect all the innocent childrens little ears it wouldn't fly.

I absolutely LOVE Top Gear though, the presenters altogether make the show what it is, and even though it seems they are getting more 'scripted' it's always a good laugh, and reviewing cars is something we don't get on American TV. Okay I lied, we get Supercars Exposed and Motortrend SOMETIMES on Speed, but those are possibly the two most boring shows on television. I hate watching them because they're so dull and lifeless. Jeremy Clarkson and his co-hosts actually have a passion for it and it shows. The presenters on the two shows I mentioned couldn't be any less entertaining.

Average fuel and car costs are INCREDIBLY less. Road tax and all that other crap? Driving is a fortune in Europe. But I wish there were more laws against cars in the US like the size of the engines and such, because there would be a 5L V8 with only 250hp, JUST because they could make a 5L V8, there is nothing technical, and there is no efficiency behind the madness, unless European and Japanese cars, there is thought and innovation in each motor.

But that is also what makes all the tuning companies here so successful, Underground Racing (twin turbo Lamborghini specialists) Hennessey muscle car tuners, and even in the import community is further along than some top Japanese tuners. There is no government limit on what we can do to cars (in some states it is worse than others) but in Florida we are virtually free.



That was a good episode haha 👍




Yeah there was something about FM3 that just didn't do anything for me. I just wanted to advance and get the next best car, or the next fastest car. I didn't want to take my time with a car, or when I won a lot of money, and build a lower class car, the power it would have rendered the car useless. I couldn't even have a decent race without spinning through 4th. I know in GT5 even though I'm going to save up for the Enzo, or save up for the Lambos, I'm going to enjoy them just as much as I'm going to enjoy the Honda Civic I build for time attacks. The entire feel of the game is so much more solid and even if I spend a day saving up for another car, I know I can spend an entire day snapping photos of the car I have gladly built. Not a halfassed photomode where the graphics in the picture look worse than the graphics in the game. Kaz puts his passion of the car industry into the game, not just trying to make a buck and one up the competition

Here in Greece we have the 7th season of Top Gear. So what do I do to watch the latest season 14 episode? I DOWNLOAD THE EPISODE OR WATCH IT ONLINE:idea:

 

[Lucas]

note the number of GT5 Prologue first week sales...

Considering I have seen many members here saying that they will buy GT5 if only because it is GT, and because they have waited too long to buy it, I don't find that impressive... Yes, it had over 1 million preorders before it was released. Two years have passed since it was released. It has over 4 million copies sold right now. How come it had 1 million preorders before release, but it has sold "just" 3 millions after it's release? My view on it is that those 1 million preorders were from hardcore GT fans, or at least those who could preorder the game (GT fans with money).

But as I said, that's just my view on the subject. As Joey D said, however, I should have never entered this thread at all. Funny, it's the only thread in this section that I actually visit and I care of. Says something about it...