Have You Purchased Microtransactions in GT7?
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- FordGT40Guy
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I understand the argument but I think people take this argument to absurd levels. If you have a gambling addiction that is negatively affecting your life and you cannot control; you should seek help. Buying a MTX is not a sign someone needs to get help.
Not everyone that buys MTX does so impulsively or through addiction; I would say that the majority of people don't buy it through an addiction. It becomes a bit condescending when people white knight to try and defend people from themselves. (As a general statement to the argument and not directed to anyone: Yes, I am an adult and I chose to purchase it from my own decision and I do not need you to defend me from the evil MTX.) Does this mean we shouldn't call out absurd MTX? No, we should but not every example of a MTX is some evil greed scheme.
DLC is actually a really good thing for gaming; it helps extend games and add variety to a base game after release.
MTX can be very good for monetizing free to play games.
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And what would a doctor say? I can answer that for you in the UK you wouldn't even get an appointment in the US they would love for you to go see them and they would send you onwards to see a psychiatrist. There is nothing wrong with it each to there own everybody has their own reasons for doing it. People do not need to apologise for doing it. It is there money not yours.
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No, I probably will never intend to... (even if a certain 4.0 Mezger engine car was to ever feature in Hagerty for an absurd price as such).
But I will never critique the people who go down the MTX route. As collectively as gamers as such probably have gone down the same path or eventually will someday whether its directly or indirectly on different games.
But I will never critique the people who go down the MTX route. As collectively as gamers as such probably have gone down the same path or eventually will someday whether its directly or indirectly on different games.
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I feel people comparing the MTX in this game to those FTP MTX saying it's justified in those games is a bit bizarre, overpriced MTX is overpriced MTX it doesn't matter if the game is free or not, it just means if you think it's justified in free to play games, you are vulnerable to the free to play model, which have overpriced MTX ranging from mere colour swaps, some cosmetics, to skins etc.
It doesn't mean I'm justifying the MTX in this game, I'm not buying them and probably never will, I also already spent hundreds of hours without needing to buy MTX, having fun in the process, that cannot be denied, I think people need to set goals, and if your goal is to obtain all the most expensive cars or having all cars then grind is unavoidable, most of the complaints I feel can be summed up as people not being able to purchase the most expensive cars or all cars as fast as possible, for as little as possible, GT IV is my fav GT and I never had full completions, as long as those endurance races exist I never will, back then the only solution was gameshark, now it's MTX, so I have to live with not having the full collection, I'm fine with that, and if you aren't then you know what to do. I hope PD make better in game economy and add an offline mode thou, I really do, but I am also in no rush to 'finish' the game, as I will be playing it for hundreds of hours more.
It doesn't mean I'm justifying the MTX in this game, I'm not buying them and probably never will, I also already spent hundreds of hours without needing to buy MTX, having fun in the process, that cannot be denied, I think people need to set goals, and if your goal is to obtain all the most expensive cars or having all cars then grind is unavoidable, most of the complaints I feel can be summed up as people not being able to purchase the most expensive cars or all cars as fast as possible, for as little as possible, GT IV is my fav GT and I never had full completions, as long as those endurance races exist I never will, back then the only solution was gameshark, now it's MTX, so I have to live with not having the full collection, I'm fine with that, and if you aren't then you know what to do. I hope PD make better in game economy and add an offline mode thou, I really do, but I am also in no rush to 'finish' the game, as I will be playing it for hundreds of hours more.
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
Yea, but with every new content drop, websites like these get an influx of hits, and Gran Turismo gets a bump on social media and works its way into our various algorithms. Hell, I didn’t even discover Gran Turismo Sport till a year after its release when one of Super GT’s videos sashayed across my YouTube.com feed
And it goes without saying that with each algorithm bump, there’s the corresponding bump in unit sales and MTX’s. There were still people (now on this forum), that didn’t discover GTS until November/December of last year. Even later
I’m ok with content being held back, because it keeps the game fresh.
FWIW…. The same business principal you see in video game DLC nowadays was more or less pioneered by the movie industry years ago. Pretty much every block buster trilogy these days is shot all at once, then released over the course of 3-5 years. Obviously to optimize the production costs —-> profit ratio via press, merchandise, dvd sales, trilogy sales, network broadcast royalties in between releases, HBO (and the like) deals…blah, blah, blah. Even if they released these “episodes” of these trilogies 6 months apart over 18 months….the total revenue is literally sliced in half compared to a metered release over a few years.
The metrics have proven the success of this business model 20 years ago. The video game industry is just late to the party 😉
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No, and technically/practically, since I'm waiting for the PS5 to be available at a semi-normal price, I haven't yet played GTS or GT7, but I would be willing to pay €700[!] for a GT7 or GTS version that let me the individual player in single player modus, change/modify the rules in all events so that I decide the PP limits and tyre rules! A pricey game can be a good game if options are abundant!
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I still go back to old games that were released as complete packages, I'm already bored of GT7 because I ran out of things to do 2 weeks ago. It's a grind to get new cars, and then there's nowhere to race them that has any effect on my "career".
They've failed to keep the game fresh already by releasing it with next to no content, and then they've added nothing 3 weeks in while only making the game objectively worse.
The game as it is right now is boring.
No, I don't need to gold everything, in case you want to bring that up.
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It is very easy for a bunch of coders/engineers to implement 'secularity' or different taxons within a game, so that the online part of GTS/GT7 that is playing against other humans players there's a checksum or bot who controls the essential car functions so that cheating is eliminated, or greatly reduced. This can be done in addition to something similar to the "punkbuster" that is used in Counter-Strike and other STEAM FPS games.
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- NRW - GT
We're welcome to discuss this further, but it won't be fruitful as we're just guessing what PD's motivations are for doing what they do. Those who see everything rather negatively claim "it's all about the money you can earn with MTX", others say: "It can be, but I think this reason is unlikely and think it's more about keeping the game clean keep"
As I said, there are plenty of examples where the only really effective way to prevent bots and cheats, or to make their use more difficult and to have the opportunity to punish such users afterwards, is to be the one who only plays as much of the game content online as possible to have available.
As a WoW - Dibalo2 "addict" for years, I have no problem with this approach. WoW doesn't really have any offline content, that doesn't bother anyone there either, as this game is designed to be played with other people. With Diablo2 it is rather mixed, there is plenty of offline content, or the complete content offline as well. But the game is only really fun and "useful" online when you can play with and against other people.
For this reason I can live very well and probably better than many others that there is this online compulsion. However, I think that some offline content in this game, more comparable to Diablo2, would not deprive the game of any security and would allow some players who may have very limited internet access to enjoy the game as well.
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
I don’t need to gold everything either. We’re eye to eye there my friend.
I honestly think PD is fixing a lot of the base issues with the game right now, namely the physics with N-class RWD cars, the glaring connectivity issues in sport mode… as well as the BOP issues, PP issues, private lobby issues (and understandably none of this will matter to you if you don’t play sport mode), and hopefully the in hand economy. Word around the campfire is PD is going to give us credits as compensation for the 36 hour blackout. I’m sure that’s been posted elsewhere on this forum so that’s probably not news. Besides, adding DLC to a game which still needs foundation work isn’t in anyone’s best interest. PD, or ours
My reasoning for not getting all theatrical about the many short comings of this game right now, is because I know the fixes are coming. And this game will look much different a year from now. Wether people will stick around for the steady stream of DLC is to be seen. But I’ll bet my paycheck that 95% of the people who complain online and threaten to leave, will stay. Or at the very most, will come back. It’s going to be a very small amount of people who actually leave
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It won't be a small ammount that leave, a large portion of the casual playerbase will probably have left already and moved onto something else.
A very small amount of the playerbase will be dedicated fans.
I just don't understand what PD are thinking. If they want to release a 'service' game then they need to maintain engagement and that requires constant updates. Think FIFA Ultimate Team.
You cannot just sell a bare bones game for full price, add a 'daily mileage' quota which rewards **** all and call it a day. There's just nothing here to entise players to stick around other than 'promises of more' which most casuals won't even be aware of.
This is even worse given limited hard drive space and the size of the game. Once someone deletes it it's probably not getting redownloaded.
A very small amount of the playerbase will be dedicated fans.
I just don't understand what PD are thinking. If they want to release a 'service' game then they need to maintain engagement and that requires constant updates. Think FIFA Ultimate Team.
You cannot just sell a bare bones game for full price, add a 'daily mileage' quota which rewards **** all and call it a day. There's just nothing here to entise players to stick around other than 'promises of more' which most casuals won't even be aware of.
This is even worse given limited hard drive space and the size of the game. Once someone deletes it it's probably not getting redownloaded.
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- NRW - GT
Only YOU see it that way and some eternally nagging ones... very many others enjoy the game and enjoy sufficient opportunities to play the game how they like it and they don't have to be bored like YOU.
If YOU and that applies to everyone who is so dissatisfied and bored because they can't find anything else to do.. just quit the game and look for something new.
It can be so easy!
And now... please MORE "PUH" from everyTime the Same "Kids"
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You are the one acting like a kid, desperately trying to defend his favourite toy. Honestly some of the things you come out with are bizarre.
If you believe the average person is going to stick with this game then you are completely delusional. There is next no content without grinding.
Quiting the game and looking for something new is EXACTLY what I'm saying will happen, which is very bad for PD (and you, given you require PD to increase the games content, which will be dependent on player engagement).
I'm fine with the game because I've been running an AFK script the past week to farm credits while asleep and at work. No need for me to quit yet.
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@XSquareStickIt should've made the poll results public so we can name & shame the people contributing to the problem 
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- NRW - GT
You are acting like a delusional child here and not me and moreover you are a scammer using a script and so I hope your account will be banned!
Thank you for being so honest or stupid to make it public here!
I also have a job and other things to do in life, but using a script or rubber band to do something for me in a game wouldn't occur to me.
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I would be happy to see GT7 as f2p-game on PC. In this case such game's economy and business model would be ok for me.. I'd play it a lot!
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- mc_polo
I have not and refuse to. Sony and PD bullies players into buying credits by:
- Overpricing cars or making them match IRL pricing (18.5 million credit McLaren F1 and maybe the F1 GTR LeMans Version too)
- Slashing prize credits by a signifigant amount making farming that much more of a bore (Patch
1.07I mean Patch 1.08) - Disrespecting the player's time investment into the game (see point #2)
- Making the roulette tickets pointless i.e. very rarely getting what you want but somehow in someway lands on low pocket change credits 9 out of 10 times. This is even accounting for tickets being 4 and higher in which those tickets contain the engine swaps players are looking for.
- Before Update 1.09, capping players at 20 million free credits. Just why? To have players buy "paid credits"?(Also see point #1)
- Having players pay $70 or more for the game, dependeing on version you got, and then to add in MTX after the first 1-2 weeks
- Side note, this was also padding their game review score which users are promply tanking (as a fan of GT since GT3, this is rightfully so).
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I feel you on that point.......However to show the player(s) those cars up for sale (The freaking Hagerty Lot) and only have a week is kind of a mean/Richard move to pull. Especially for players that want to have time invested into the game. They should have increase the payouts for patch 1.07/1.08 not nerf them.
TBH my main issue isn't the price tag but the time we are allowed to purchase the car plus the credit payouts after the race. Let's be fair, if the WTC800 was paying out 90-100k per race (before applying the clean race bonus) and then keep the prize credits where it is for winning the championship, I would be more than happy to grind that out. Hell, even giving me a ticket or some performance parts as a random award with it would make me grind it out more.
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