Heartfelt congratulations to Jammy for winning ITCC 3!

[Com Fox]

Well sorry, we still cool?

 

[polarbear345]

Well sorry, we still cool?

Duh!
Now back on topic;

We're running grand valley east in the normal direction?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Sorry, if I offended you, didn't mean too

Came across as you think you're better than me here

I didn't mean it like that , I know I'm not better than you, I was just surprised that I'm capable of beating you.

I really didn't mean to try to offend you .

This is going somewhere. I mean, one end of a circle is different from the other, right?


RESH, I know you're on a champion's pride-trip, but let's not fall flat on our face by creating rivalries that don't need to exist.


Rivalries that remain on-track and non-confrontational (like, for example, Driverman447, Jammy, and I battling for track position) is awesome and I expect it. Taking it onto the thread with anything other than positive praise "thanks for the good race, Jammy! I really enjoyed it!" will likely end in you being put into a wall. Ummmm, been there, done that. Well, I was the guy who was offended by the whole ordeal... It's a bit unpleasant.


Edit: And things have calmed down. Ninja'd.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Posting new info:

Duh!
Now back on topic;

We're running grand valley east in the normal direction?

Yes.



Possible points system change:


So, someone has contacted me, complaining that people aren't going to qualify. Maybe people will come a bit late, or maybe people will be busy and simply won't put in a lap time.


According to this person, it'd be best to remove qualifying points.



Possible change:


Qualifying: 0 points, sets grid for Race 1.

Race 1: 0 points, qualifying race (rolling start), grid order set to fastest first.

Race 2: 32 points, standing start, grid order set to previous race results

Race 3: 64 points, standing start, grid order set to reverse previous race results.


Bonus points:


Race 2:


fastest lap = 1

leading most laps = 1


Race 3:


fastest lap = 1

Leading most laps = 1



Opinions, please?

 

[Com Fox]

Why keep on changing it within a season like this . I say wait 'till next season for the switch.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Why keep on changing it within a season like this . I say wait 'till next season for the switch.

Let's put it this way: furi would still be leading the points. It's not like it changes anything.

 

[sparkytooth]

It just changes the main points system. Everyone stays the same.

I have a lot of points to climb

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

It just changes the main points system. Everyone stays the same.

I have a lot of points to climb

No. There're still 1100 points available 💡 to everyone. Oh! And there's also drop-rounds. Two, to be specific. Maybe three, depending on how badly Sakery's points situation looks after his return from whatever-during-September thing he's doing, and how many rounds other people miss.

 

[sparkytooth]

When October starts, I'll miss them all

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

When October starts, I'll miss them all

2nd: Grand Valley East
3rd: Trial Mountain Circuit
4th: Suzuka Circuit East


^ Lucky you, all of the classic "best" ITCC courses. The rest are okay, but these ones are simply epic.

 

[sparkytooth]

Unlucky me when school starts.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Anyways...



Investigation #5: Honda lacking speed



The Honda was found to be of an extremely similar pace, in both corners, straights, and lap times. The request for 286 hp has been declined.

 

[Furinkazen]

I disagree here... Honda has no torque compared to others, and needs less weight if anything. I speak from experience...

 

[Siggers]

At gve I can only manage 1.10s in the Honda, don't know about Adam or others. Very high 1.09s might just be possible but I read most of you guys are easily doing low to mid 1.09s - which is over a second faster :/

 

[LancerEvo7]

Is the Honda on a similar pace with you driving it or with Polar driving it?

 

[polarbear345]

Is the Honda on a similar pace with you driving it or with Polar driving it?

Mel driving it, he says a 1:09.4

Thing is once I have to slow down, I can't get going again...

 

[adam46]

I'll hop on PS3 later and see what I can do in the Honda.

 

[Furinkazen]

Nothing wrong with pts system. Leave it. There is no reason for doubling points. Changing that is silly.

 

[Willfred_1]

At gve I can only manage 1.10s in the Honda, don't know about Adam or others. Very high 1.09s might just be possible but I read most of you guys are easily doing low to mid 1.09s - which is over a second faster :/

don't worry my bmw in a similar situation

 

[adam46]

don't worry my bmw in a similar situation

Ah well, once we're all drafting down the front straight it won't matter

 

[jammy21]

Current point system is ok.

 

[polarbear345]

How can you guys like qualifying points???

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Mazda: 1:09.3
Honda: 1:09.4 (with 276 hp, and 286 hp.)


The recommendation was to add power to the Honda; it does nothing except make it easier for the Honda to make straight-line passes. Strangely, the Honda is faster through corners with 276 hp, and with 286 hp, is too unstable for a good lap time. The difference in power makes next to no difference; the only measurable, quantitative measurement of improvement is 1 km/h on the straightaways.


If the Honda continues to be a "back-marker" car, I will consider raising the horsepower or removing weight. The problem with that, is that the car handles worse with more power, apparently, and has worse weight distribution with less weight.


I'll continue testing the lap times here at GVE, but I honestly believe that the specs are quite accurate.


Also, the Mazda, BMW, Volvo, Honda and Ford are all "momentum-cars." Every car does better when speed is carried out of the corner. Complaining that it adversely affects one car more than another seems odd, given that the excuse given is that the Honda has less torque - this is wrong, other cars in the series have less torque than the Honda. The only car that puts out high torque figures is the BMW, which is ironically slightly slower in terms of acceleration; the most likely result of the extra 50 kilograms of weight it holds over all other cars.

How can you guys like qualifying points???

The people who like the qualifying points system actually took part in qualifying. You didn't.

 

[polarbear345]

Actually, I did. I got 2 points.

And more power won't make it unstable at 286 horsepower with racing tires... Dunno what you've been driving.

Car isn't bad at Grand Valley, it's bad at courses with more than one sharp turn.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Which courses have more than one tight corner?


-Madrid?


Pretty short list.

-GVE
-Trial Mountain
-Suzuka East
-Daytona
-Indy
-Nürburgring

^ Momentum tracks. If anyone gets botched up on corner exit at Daytona, they're going to lose like 3-4 positions.


-Laguna Seca
-Madrid
-Rome

^ relatively tight courses, Honda might struggle a little bit, but should be fine.

 

[Furinkazen]

Mazda: 1:09.3
Honda: 1:09.4 (with 276 hp, and 286 hp.)


The recommendation was to add power to the Honda; it does nothing except make it easier for the Honda to make straight-line passes. Strangely, the Honda is faster through corners with 276 hp, and with 286 hp, is too unstable for a good lap time. The difference in power makes next to no difference; the only measurable, quantitative measurement of improvement is 1 km/h on the straightaways.

10hp does not make a car more unstable, you just can't drive it right Mel. Total rubbish in the extreme. I can assure you 10hp does not do that. You just don''t want to raise the power or alter specs.

If the Honda continues to be a "back-marker" car, I will consider raising the horsepower or removing weight.

^Again. It's not got 100 more horses, it's got 10. Total rubbish.

The problem with that, is that the car handles worse with more power, apparently, and has worse weight distribution with less weight.

Any weight issues can be countered with intelligent placing of ballast.

Also, the Mazda, BMW, Volvo, Honda and Ford are all "momentum-cars." Every car does better when speed is carried out of the corner. Complaining that it adversely affects one car more than another seems odd, given that the excuse given is that the Honda has less torque - this is wrong, other cars in the series have less torque than the Honda.

1. I generally thought that every car in damn existence did better when speed is carried out a corner.

2. Excuse? You just proved you don't want to change it.

3. No matter if "other cars" have less torque, this is a HONDA-only problem. You CANNOT put loads of cars at the same bhp and weight and expect them all perfectly close to one another.

The people who like the qualifying points system actually took part in qualifying. You didn't.

He did.

 

[Com Fox]

How can you guys like qualifying points???

Not that for me, it is because of sudden changing that has been happening and it happens every single week here .

 

[LancerEvo7]

If anyone gets botched up on corner exit at Daytona, they're going to lose like 3-4 positions.

If anyone's within drafting distance of the car behind them at Daytona, they're going to lose like 3-4 positions.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Guys, the series is fine.


If you have serious suggestions on ways to improve it, post them up. Otherwise, this is not going to be like the second season, where everyone complains about specs, and argues.


The Honda's fine.

 

[Furinkazen]

Guys, the series is fine.


If you have serious suggestions on ways to improve it, post them up. Otherwise, this is not going to be like the second season, where everyone complains about specs, and argues.


The Honda's fine.

Well if you don't bother listening to people you are going to have everyone leaving, again.. My comments are 100% serious and you can't even construct a reply to them.