Here's Every New Car Coming to Gran Turismo 7

[MatskiMonk]

I wonder what the chances of a day one patch to get to the 420+ number is, or if a day one patch might add anything to it.

Also since we're arguing about car count... I want 4 figures... I know it won't happen but in order to recapture the feel of getting lost in a car lost that some of the earlier games had, that's just how many I think it would take, for me personally.

Look at it this way.. the game's got 80-100 years of car history to pull from, from 60+ manufacturers, and has form for including anything from the patent motorwagen, to the moon buggy, to military vehicles, to F1 cars, to concept cars made just for PD... The pool of passenger cars they could include is likely several thousand alone. Just for my preferred manufacturer there's a case for well over 100 cars IMHO..

They've made tremendous advances in most other areas, but the number of cars hasn't taken the kind of generational leap the other aspects have, and though that's not unreasonable, I still find it saddening... And I'm really hoping that we see a significant amount of content added to GT7, I'm more than happy to pay for it.

 

[Samus]

I thought if they'd announce huge number of cars, people'd complain about those large numbers like being 'unnecessary'? Based on GT5/6 (I know there's majority standard cars... but talking about the duplicates of which ppl honestly exaggerate the hell out of it) and FM7.

Who on earth have you ever seen complain about the large number of cars, solely because it's a big number? The number was never the issue but what that number contained. 1200 cars in GT6 - 20 Honda S2000, 35 MX-5s, nearly 50 Skylines, you know the drill. They may not have all been literal duplicates but the issue was the lack of variety. 50 skylines are 50 skylines no matter how different they are. That could have been 10 Skylines and 40 completely different other cars. There was about 120 Toyotas in all. 150 Nissans. Almost 25% of the car list came from two manufacturers. Meanwhile other manufacturers were barely represented, some not at all.

THAT is what people always had an issue with, even ignoring the standard/premium thing.

There are thousands and thousands of cars from history for PD to pick from, you could absolutely create a list of 1000 cars that contained massive diversity across time and manufacturers and not just small variations of a handful of models. It's not realistic for reasons we all know, but hypothetically, it's more than possible.

 

[Gerarghini]

Shot in the dark but was there evidence that some of the added cars to GTS were from GT5/6? If so, they can probably just pull a Forza 5 and re-add them through updates.

Although whats with the 2 Integras? No one cares about them pre-98 spec anyways may as well have just given us one with the non-JDM front

 

[RichiPuppy]

Common tuition to just make up a number for cars at launch with no evidence behind it ok thanks I understand the lack of thought processing and ability to think for yourself here 👍

Your the one not thinking for yourself. That would be you not being able to come up with a future equation based on past equation. Requiring someone to spoon feed you information is not thinking.

 

[Hellburner]

No.

You rather have 4 fantasy versions of a Mustang GT, than 5 different and real Mustang versions albeit one being an EV? Gran Turismo handles all sorts of cars, than why not include the car that is probably going to save the name Mustang from extinction?

 

[AlexWilmot]

Your the one not thinking for yourself. That would be you not being able to come up with a future equation based on past equation. Requiring someone to spoon feed you information is not thinking.

Ok mate 👍 then launch will be 1,000,000 cars because of intuition and if you disagree you can’t think for yourself, got it.
Making up numbers is not facts to go by and confirm cars at launch

 

[c0sm1c0wl]

There have been 428 cars for a while now, and PD is constantly scanning/creating more. It is common intuition that there could be 450 by release.

Yeah like how GT sport was supposed to have 148 cars at launch but had 164 upon release

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

You rather have 4 fantasy versions of a Mustang GT, than 5 different and real Mustang versions albeit one being an EV? Gran Turismo handles all sorts of cars, than why not include the car that is probably going to save the name Mustang from extinction?

First of all, "real Mustang" and "Mach-E" don't belong in the same sentence unless "is not" is in between. That Mach-E is a SUV pretending to be a Mustang. Ford can name it whatever they want, but that doesn't mean anything imo. A real Mustang was, is, and should always be a 4-seater Coupe, not a CUV or SUV. The Mach-E was never made to save the Mustang from extinction. Ford could've as easily made a Mustang EV Coupe to do that. The Mach-E was nothing more than a marketing term to get people talking about and buying their EV SUV.

Second yes and no, because those fantasy cars were fun cars I enjoy driving and the Gr.3 & 4 Mustangs are based on real-world racing classes. Well, except for the Gr.B Mustang, there's no modern Group B. That Mustang Gr.4 is essentially the PD version of a Mustang GT4 race car, which exists btw:

If anything I would prefer if PD actually just edited the Gr.4 car to become the real GT4 race car. Versus just throwing away months' work for a completely different car. The same could've been done for the Mustang GT3 aswell since there's a couple of cars in real life that are kinda like it.

Modeling time should be spent on just adding additional content, not just replacing it. The fantasy cars we have now plus the real-life cars can coexist. Bottom line, I don't we should spend time destroying things already made replacing it when we could get those cars regardless.

I get the criticism of vgt and the spaceship cars but I personally enjoy concept cars due to them being what if and pushing the boundaries.

Also dont mind concept cars like the Audi Lemans Quattro i know we have the Audi R8 both the V8 and V10 but the Lemans quattro is just so cool. How about the Audi R8 V12 TDI concept that would be really to cool to see a V12 powered diesel supercar in a game like Gran Turismo.

Concept cars and their production variants are really different from each other. Alfa Romeo Brera concept is pretty cool compared to the production model. Lets not forget some cool concept cars that never made it to production like the Ford GT90, Ford Indigo, Lamborghini Cala, Bmw Nazca C2, Bmw Nazca M12, Alfa Romeo Schighera, Cadillac Cien man to be honest I can go on and on.

For sure, I enjoy being able to drive "what if" cars sometimes myself. I loved the Jaguar F-Type Gr.3 for PD exploring what I wanted Jaguar to do in real life. The cool thing about some of the VGT cars in Gr.1 was that I got an in-game imagination of a GT1 revival class I always wanted like the Bugatti VGT for instance.

I can see more fun with concept car revivals like you mentioned, seeing how these things would compare to the production cars we got in real life. Though for now, I at least having modding on Assetto Corsa to explore that.

 

[Scuderia Paul]

Since it has been raining all day here, I tried to compile a list of cars based on the cars on GT7's list that I see as filler material. When possible I tried to remain as close as possible to the original car on GT7's list. In some cases it was not possible or I had not enough inspiration to put another car on the list. I also tried to avoid making a wishlist out of it, allthough some of the cars on this list would also be on my wishlist. The only point that I want to make with this list is that PD could have, in some cases, quite easily transformed these filler cars into something more desirable or appealing to more people. The same can be done with other cars like the Tesla Model S. PD has the base model, so why not update it to a 2021 Plaid version? In some cases when it was a fantasy car made by PD, I tried to replace it with a concept car made by the car brand.

I do not want to start a new discussion if these cars deserve to be, or not to be, seen as filler car, I made this list mainly for fun but also because I'm disappointed and I wanted to see what could have been possible...

• Alfa Romeo 4C Gr.3 -> 4C Gramenzi Hillclimb
• Alfa Romeo 4C Gr.3 Road Car -> 4C 33 Stradale
• Alfa Romeo 4C Gr.4 -> Giulia GTAm '21
• Alpine Vision Gran Turismo 2017 -> Sports X Concept
• Alpine Vision Gran Turismo Race Mode -> A521 F1 car
• Aston Martin V8 Vantage Gr.4 -> V8 Vantage '22
• Aston Martin V12 Vantage Gr.3 -> Victor
• Audi R8 GT3 LMS Evo 2019* -> R8 V12 TDi
• Audi R18 TDI 2011 -> S8 V10
• BMW 3.0 CSL 1973* -> MKO CS M5
• BMW M3 Sport Evolution 1989 -> Alpina E30 B6 3.5
• BMW M4 Gr.4 -> 430i Gran Coupe
• BMW M4 Safety Car -> M4 sedan
• BMW M6 GT3 Sprint Model 2016 -> M6 gran coupe
• Bugatti Veyron Gr.4 -> Veyron Super Sport
• Bugatti Vision Gran Turismo Gr.1 -> Chiron
• Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE 2018 -> COPO Camaro '22
• Chevrolet Corvette Gr.3 Race Car -> Corvette C8 Z06 '23
• Chevrolet Corvette Gr.3 Road Car -> Callaway Corvette C7
• Chevrolet Corvette Gr.4 Race Car -> Equus Throwback
• Citroen GT by Citroen Race Car Gr.3 -> Survolt
• Citroen GT by Citroen Race Car Gr.4 -> DS9
• Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat Safety Car -> Redeye widebody
• Dodge SRT Tomahawk S Vision Gran Turismo -> Copperhead
• Dodge SRT Tomahawk Vision Gran Turismo Gr.1 -> Diamante
• Dodge SRT Tomahawk X Vision Gran Turismo -> RAM TRX
• Dodge Viper Gr.4 -> Dart GT '15
• Ferrari 458 Gr.4 -> GTC4 Lusso
• Ferrari 458 Gr.3 -> F355 Berlinetta
• Ford Focus Gr.B Race Car -> Kuga 2.5t '11
• Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II -> GT90
• Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car Gr.3 -> 2011 Evos
• Ford Mustang Gr.3 Race Car -> Shelby Super Snake
• Ford Mustang Gr.3 Road Car -> SVT Cobra R
• Ford Mustang Gr.4 Race Car -> Mach-E GT '21
• Ford Mustang Gr.B Race Car -> Matt Soppa V8 Fusion Sport '16
• Honda Civic (EK9) Type R 1999* -> Accord '98
• Honda Integra DC2 Type R 1998 -> Legend '99
• Honda NSX Gr.3 Race Car -> Project 2+4 concept
• Honda NSX Gr.4 Race Car -> Sports EV concept
• Honda NSX Gr.B Race Car -> Acura TLX type S
• Hyundai Genesis Gr.3 -> 2015 Genesis sedan
• Hyundai Genesis Gr.4 -> i20N
• Hyundai Genesis Gr.B -> Ioniq 5
• Hyundai N2025 Vision GT Gr.1 -> Pony
• Jaguar F-Type Gr.3 -> XJR '08
• Jaguar F-Type Gr.4 -> CX75
• Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 Superveloce 2015 -> Countach LP800-4 '21
• Lamborghini Huracan Gr.4 -> Sesto Elemento
• Lexus RC F Emil Frey Racing 2017 -> GS 450h
• Lexus RC F Gr.4 -> LS F sport
• Lexus RC F GT3 Prototype Emil Frey Racing 2016 -> LFA
• Mazda Atenza Gr.4 -> 6 2.3 MPS (Mazdaspeed 6)
• Mazda Atenza Gr.3 -> CX9
• Mazda Atenza Gr.3 Road Car -> Eunos Cosmo 3 rotor
• Mazda LM55 Vision GT Gr.1 -> Furai
• Mazda RX-Vision GT3 Concept 2020 -> Mazdaspeed 3
• McLaren 650S Gr.4 -> Speedtail
• McLaren F1 GTR Kokusai Kaihatsu Racing 1995 -> Senna
• McLaren Ultimate Vision GT Gr.1 -> 675 LT Spider
• Mercedes-AMG F1 W08 EQ Power+ (Color Variation) 2017 -> AMG Project One
• Mercedes-AMG GT S Safety Car -> S65 AMG
• Mercedes-AMG GT R 2017* -> G63 AMG
• Mercedes-Benz AMG Vision GT LH Edition -> Maybach 57S Coupe
• Mercedes-Benz AMG Vision GT Racing Series -> E55 AMG
• Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Gr.4 2011 -> C36 AMG
• Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X Final Edition Gr.3 -> Starion Turbo
• Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X Final Edition Gr.4 -> Street Raider
• Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X Final Edition Gr.B -> Galant VR4 '03
• Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X Final Edition Gr.B Road Car -> Galant '89
• Nissan GT-R (R35) Gr.4 -> GTS R31
• Nissan GT-R (R35) Gr.B -> Skyline GT-R '71
• Nissan GT-R (R35) Safety Car -> Patrol W260
• Nissan GT-R (R35) NISMO 2017 -> Italdesign GTR-50
• Nissan GT-R (R35) Motul Super GT 2016 -> Maxima QX V
• Nissan Silvia (S13) Ks Dia Selection 1991 -> Primera 2.0 GT
• Peugeot L750R HYbrid Vision Gran Turismo -> Onyx
• Peugeot RCZ Gr.3 -> 907
• Peugeot RCZ Gr.3 Road Car -> 607 Pescarolo
• Peugeot RCZ Gr.4 -> 406 Coupe V6
• Peugeot RCZ Gr.B -> 505 turbo
• Peugeot Vision Gran Turismo Gr.3 -> Oxia
• Porsche 911 993 Carrera RS CS 1995 -> Panamera Turbo S
• Renault Sport Clio R.S. 220 EDC Trophy 2016 -> Laguna V6
• Renault Sport Megane Gr.4 -> Safrane RXE biturbo
• Renault Sport Megane RS Trophy 2011 -> Spider
• Subaru WRX Gr.B Race Car -> Forester STi
• Subaru WRX Gr.B Road Car -> Levorg
• Subaru WRX STI Gr.3 Race Car -> Legacy STi S401
• Subaru WRX STI Gr.4 Race Car -> Ascent
• Super Formula SF19 Dallara/Honda 2019 -> Red Bull-Honda RB16 F1 33
• Toyota 86 GRMN 2016 -> Carina GT Sport
• Toyota 86 GT “Limited” 2016 -> Carina A10
• Toyota 86 Gr.4 -> Camry SE V6
• Toyota 86 Gr.B -> Celica GT-Four
• Toyota Crown Athlete G Safety Car 2013 -> Century V12
• Toyota FT-1 Vision Gran Turismo -> GR010 Le Mans Hybrid
• Toyota FT-1 Vision Gran Turismo Gr.3 -> Avalon TRD '21
• Toyota GR Supra (A90) 2020 -> GR Sports EV concept
• Toyota GR Supra (A90) Gr.4 -> Land Cruiser '73
• Toyota GR Supra Racing Concept 2018 -> RAV4 Prime '21
• Toyota SF-R Racing Concept 2015 -> Sienna V6 '20
• Volkswagen GTI Supersport Vision GT -> W12 Golf
• Volkswagen GTI Vision Gran Turismo Gr.3 -> Passat R36
• Volkswagen Scirocco Gr.4 -> Scirocco VR6

That is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen here in a hell of a long time!

 

[Hellburner]

First of all, "real Mustang" and "Mach-E" don't belong in the same sentence unless "is not" is in between. That Mach-E is a SUV pretending to be a Mustang. Ford can name it whatever they want, but that doesn't mean anything imo. A real Mustang was, is, and should always be a 4-seater Coupe, not a CUV or SUV. The Mach-E was never made to save the Mustang from extinction. Ford could've as easily made a Mustang EV Coupe to do that. The Mach-E was nothing more than a marketing term to get people talking about and buying their EV SUV.

So the Citroën DS3 cannot be a hatchback, because the Citroën DS was an elegant coupe? Or Fiat cannot use the name 500x for it's small SUV because the original 500 was an adorable city car? Just get over it. Everything changes, only a fool's opinion doesn't.

If anything I would prefer if PD actually just edited the Gr.4 car to become the real GT4 race car. Versus just throwing away months' work for a completely different car.

That is my whole point. Yes I did add cars that cannot be compared to the original car on GT7's list. I said that was either because I ran out of inspiration or even lack of knowledge. But they just copypasted GT Sports carlist with not a single update. They can easily and with little effort update some of the real cars to more modern versions or update the Gr.3, Gr.4 and rally versions to real world race cars or even different models that have some resemblance with the original model. This is a new game, the full Gran Turismo experience but we only get pre-chewed lasagna with some freshly grated cheese on it.

That is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen here in a hell of a long time!

Well it was written when I was in a cynical mood, so I don't blame you. I had fun thinking about alternatives for what I see as filler cars. I never had the intention to impose my opinion, just wanted to make a point.

 

[Tetraturbo]

Since it has been raining all day here, I tried to compile a list of cars based on the cars on GT7's list that I see as filler material. When possible I tried to remain as close as possible to the original car on GT7's list. In some cases it was not possible or I had not enough inspiration to put another car on the list. I also tried to avoid making a wishlist out of it, allthough some of the cars on this list would also be on my wishlist. The only point that I want to make with this list is that PD could have, in some cases, quite easily transformed these filler cars into something more desirable or appealing to more people. The same can be done with other cars like the Tesla Model S. PD has the base model, so why not update it to a 2021 Plaid version? In some cases when it was a fantasy car made by PD, I tried to replace it with a concept car made by the car brand.

I do not want to start a new discussion if these cars deserve to be, or not to be, seen as filler car, I made this list mainly for fun but also because I'm disappointed and I wanted to see what could have been possible...

• Alfa Romeo 4C Gr.3 -> 4C Gramenzi Hillclimb
• Alfa Romeo 4C Gr.3 Road Car -> 4C 33 Stradale
• Alfa Romeo 4C Gr.4 -> Giulia GTAm '21
• Alpine Vision Gran Turismo 2017 -> Sports X Concept
• Alpine Vision Gran Turismo Race Mode -> A521 F1 car
• Aston Martin V8 Vantage Gr.4 -> V8 Vantage '22
• Aston Martin V12 Vantage Gr.3 -> Victor
• Audi R8 GT3 LMS Evo 2019* -> R8 V12 TDi
• Audi R18 TDI 2011 -> S8 V10
• BMW 3.0 CSL 1973* -> MKO CS M5
• BMW M3 Sport Evolution 1989 -> Alpina E30 B6 3.5
• BMW M4 Gr.4 -> 430i Gran Coupe
• BMW M4 Safety Car -> M4 sedan
• BMW M6 GT3 Sprint Model 2016 -> M6 gran coupe
• Bugatti Veyron Gr.4 -> Veyron Super Sport
• Bugatti Vision Gran Turismo Gr.1 -> Chiron
• Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE 2018 -> COPO Camaro '22
• Chevrolet Corvette Gr.3 Race Car -> Corvette C8 Z06 '23
• Chevrolet Corvette Gr.3 Road Car -> Callaway Corvette C7
• Chevrolet Corvette Gr.4 Race Car -> Equus Throwback
• Citroen GT by Citroen Race Car Gr.3 -> Survolt
• Citroen GT by Citroen Race Car Gr.4 -> DS9
• Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat Safety Car -> Redeye widebody
• Dodge SRT Tomahawk S Vision Gran Turismo -> Copperhead
• Dodge SRT Tomahawk Vision Gran Turismo Gr.1 -> Diamante
• Dodge SRT Tomahawk X Vision Gran Turismo -> RAM TRX
• Dodge Viper Gr.4 -> Dart GT '15
• Ferrari 458 Gr.4 -> GTC4 Lusso
• Ferrari 458 Gr.3 -> F355 Berlinetta
• Ford Focus Gr.B Race Car -> Kuga 2.5t '11
• Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II -> GT90
• Ford GT LM Spec II Test Car Gr.3 -> 2011 Evos
• Ford Mustang Gr.3 Race Car -> Shelby Super Snake
• Ford Mustang Gr.3 Road Car -> SVT Cobra R
• Ford Mustang Gr.4 Race Car -> Mach-E GT '21
• Ford Mustang Gr.B Race Car -> Matt Soppa V8 Fusion Sport '16
• Honda Civic (EK9) Type R 1999* -> Accord '98
• Honda Integra DC2 Type R 1998 -> Legend '99
• Honda NSX Gr.3 Race Car -> Project 2+4 concept
• Honda NSX Gr.4 Race Car -> Sports EV concept
• Honda NSX Gr.B Race Car -> Acura TLX type S
• Hyundai Genesis Gr.3 -> 2015 Genesis sedan
• Hyundai Genesis Gr.4 -> i20N
• Hyundai Genesis Gr.B -> Ioniq 5
• Hyundai N2025 Vision GT Gr.1 -> Pony
• Jaguar F-Type Gr.3 -> XJR '08
• Jaguar F-Type Gr.4 -> CX75
• Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 Superveloce 2015 -> Countach LP800-4 '21
• Lamborghini Huracan Gr.4 -> Sesto Elemento
• Lexus RC F Emil Frey Racing 2017 -> GS 450h
• Lexus RC F Gr.4 -> LS F sport
• Lexus RC F GT3 Prototype Emil Frey Racing 2016 -> LFA
• Mazda Atenza Gr.4 -> 6 2.3 MPS (Mazdaspeed 6)
• Mazda Atenza Gr.3 -> CX9
• Mazda Atenza Gr.3 Road Car -> Eunos Cosmo 3 rotor
• Mazda LM55 Vision GT Gr.1 -> Furai
• Mazda RX-Vision GT3 Concept 2020 -> Mazdaspeed 3
• McLaren 650S Gr.4 -> Speedtail
• McLaren F1 GTR Kokusai Kaihatsu Racing 1995 -> Senna
• McLaren Ultimate Vision GT Gr.1 -> 675 LT Spider
• Mercedes-AMG F1 W08 EQ Power+ (Color Variation) 2017 -> AMG Project One
• Mercedes-AMG GT S Safety Car -> S65 AMG
• Mercedes-AMG GT R 2017* -> G63 AMG
• Mercedes-Benz AMG Vision GT LH Edition -> Maybach 57S Coupe
• Mercedes-Benz AMG Vision GT Racing Series -> E55 AMG
• Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Gr.4 2011 -> C36 AMG
• Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X Final Edition Gr.3 -> Starion Turbo
• Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X Final Edition Gr.4 -> Street Raider
• Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X Final Edition Gr.B -> Galant VR4 '03
• Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X Final Edition Gr.B Road Car -> Galant '89
• Nissan GT-R (R35) Gr.4 -> GTS R31
• Nissan GT-R (R35) Gr.B -> Skyline GT-R '71
• Nissan GT-R (R35) Safety Car -> Patrol W260
• Nissan GT-R (R35) NISMO 2017 -> Italdesign GTR-50
• Nissan GT-R (R35) Motul Super GT 2016 -> Maxima QX V
• Nissan Silvia (S13) Ks Dia Selection 1991 -> Primera 2.0 GT
• Peugeot L750R HYbrid Vision Gran Turismo -> Onyx
• Peugeot RCZ Gr.3 -> 907
• Peugeot RCZ Gr.3 Road Car -> 607 Pescarolo
• Peugeot RCZ Gr.4 -> 406 Coupe V6
• Peugeot RCZ Gr.B -> 505 turbo
• Peugeot Vision Gran Turismo Gr.3 -> Oxia
• Porsche 911 993 Carrera RS CS 1995 -> Panamera Turbo S
• Renault Sport Clio R.S. 220 EDC Trophy 2016 -> Laguna V6
• Renault Sport Megane Gr.4 -> Safrane RXE biturbo
• Renault Sport Megane RS Trophy 2011 -> Spider
• Subaru WRX Gr.B Race Car -> Forester STi
• Subaru WRX Gr.B Road Car -> Levorg
• Subaru WRX STI Gr.3 Race Car -> Legacy STi S401
• Subaru WRX STI Gr.4 Race Car -> Ascent
• Super Formula SF19 Dallara/Honda 2019 -> Red Bull-Honda RB16 F1 33
• Toyota 86 GRMN 2016 -> Carina GT Sport
• Toyota 86 GT “Limited” 2016 -> Carina A10
• Toyota 86 Gr.4 -> Camry SE V6
• Toyota 86 Gr.B -> Celica GT-Four
• Toyota Crown Athlete G Safety Car 2013 -> Century V12
• Toyota FT-1 Vision Gran Turismo -> GR010 Le Mans Hybrid
• Toyota FT-1 Vision Gran Turismo Gr.3 -> Avalon TRD '21
• Toyota GR Supra (A90) 2020 -> GR Sports EV concept
• Toyota GR Supra (A90) Gr.4 -> Land Cruiser '73
• Toyota GR Supra Racing Concept 2018 -> RAV4 Prime '21
• Toyota SF-R Racing Concept 2015 -> Sienna V6 '20
• Volkswagen GTI Supersport Vision GT -> W12 Golf
• Volkswagen GTI Vision Gran Turismo Gr.3 -> Passat R36
• Volkswagen Scirocco Gr.4 -> Scirocco VR6

That would be a dream, too bad PD can't acknowledge something like this. No wonder Forza's car list is unmatched.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

So the Citroën DS3 cannot be a hatchback, because the Citroën DS was an elegant coupe? Or Fiat cannot use the name 500x for it's small SUV because the original 500 was an adorable city car? Just get over it. Everything changes, only a fool's opinion doesn't.

There's a difference between the examples you picked and the Mustang. Was the DS3 marketed as a successor to the DS Coupe? and if it was, you do know that the DS had other body styles right? There was a wagon version. The original Fiat 500 wasn't just a supermini, it had other variations such as a commercial van type of vehicle. A 500X in result makes sense.

For the Mustang to spend all of its time as the same kind of car with its iconic status and heritage of performance and racing for Ford to just distill with with a CUV having its nameplate doesn't work. Yes, everything does change, but that does NOT mean they're all good changes however. There shouldn't be change for the sake of change, which essentially was what the Mach-E was. The car could've been called just the Mach-E or even another horse name and I would've paid it no mind.

That is my whole point. Yes I did add cars that cannot be compared to the original car on GT7's list. I said that was either because I ran out of inspiration or even lack of knowledge. But they just copypasted GT Sports carlist with not a single update. They can easily and with little effort update some of the real cars to more modern versions or update the Gr.3, Gr.4 and rally versions to real world race cars or even different models that have some resemblance with the original model. This is a new game, the full Gran Turismo experience but we only get pre-chewed lasagna with some freshly grated cheese on it.

Yes, it's a new game, but that doesn't mean they essentially drop a chunk of their car list for it and if they did that; the car count would be back to where we were in GT Sport. Yeah, I don't want that.

and okay, I see your point now on replacing cars with similar variations. I can see a merit to doing that, but only if they're similar enough for PD to just need to modify an existing car model to do that. However, if PD kept doing that, I would then be expecting them to add other variations of that car that have some performance differences about them. Well, I still technically want that, I still want a Shelby GT500 in addition to the GT and GT350.

But for the other cars that don't have it, that's still basically wasting months of work throwing cars away. There's no point in doing that when PD could just add the more unique cars you want in addition to the list.

 

[Silver Arrows]

The biggest issue with GT's car lists, in my opinion is that so much of it is more or less based around Kaz's own interests in cars. Yes, he has a well documented love affair with Japanese vehicles, but that's clearly been a problem in the past as it was clear that the armada of models between specific 90's hero cars made up the vast majority of the car list, often times with no differences to the main model because Polyphony didn't bother to model said differences unless they were actually notable. So what was the point?

It's clear that he has an affinity for American sports cars and indeed, muscle cars. Great - too bad that it seems to be surface level at best, and especially when it comes to muscle cars, there are some brands (AMC) that have never made an appearance in a GT game and I doubt ever will. Granted, GT probably will never beat Forza in this regard but there is certainly room for improvement.

It's clear that there should be a top down evaluation of the Gr.3 and 4 car list, because Sport Mode basically revolves around these cars 85% of the time to begin with. There is absolutely no need to have vehicles that are pushing a decade old in terms of viability in the car list when modern equivalents exist and have been scanned into other games. Why do we need a 458 GT3 when the 488 is almost out of service, and has been in other games with a notable eSports agenda? Why do we need a fake Mustang Gr.4 when the real Mustang GT4 is sold by Ford on a turn key basis, and has also been scanned into games? It just seems like they're trying to justify their own groupings when everyone with half a brain to racing knowledge knows these are GT3 and 4 cars. Use the real thing if there is an option.

And more then anything else, it frustrates me that GT is falling back into old habits with duplicate cars - except this time around they are cars where there is little discernible difference between them other then model year. Why do we need two forms of the E30 when one would do? No arguments towards 'rarity' and 'uniqueness' is able to beat back against the fact that it's downright wasteful to model two cars that are, for all intents and purposes, identical. Why do we need two Renault Sport Clios who's only difference are model years? Why do we need tow M6 GT3's who's only difference is essentially paint schemes?

 

[Ryan81]

I don't really understand how PD are able to peddle so many duplicates without a bigger backlash from the gaming public. I believe if any other studios released that many duplicates, they wouldn't be able to survive for long. Yet with PD, it's shrugged off with "That's the beauty of Kaz/GT- it's more of a car encyclopedia/cultural phenomenon than a racing game"

 

[Hellburner]

There's a difference between the examples you picked and the Mustang. Was the DS3 marketed as a successor to the DS Coupe? and if it was, you do know that the DS had other body styles right? There was a wagon version. The original Fiat 500 wasn't just a supermini, it had other variations such as a commercial van type of vehicle. A 500X in result makes sense.
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For the Mustang to spend all of its time as the same kind of car with its iconic status and heritage of performance and racing for Ford to just distill with with a CUV having its nameplate doesn't work. Yes, everything does change, but that does NOT mean they're all good changes however. There shouldn't be change for the sake of change, which essentially was what the Mach-E was. The car could've been called just the Mach-E or even another horse name and I would've paid it no mind.

Point taken. But if I had to choose between a 1974 Mustang Mach 1 or a 2021 Mach E, I would always choose the Mach E.

 

[happycorey]

Although whats with the 2 Integras? No one cares about them pre-98 spec anyways may as well have just given us one with the non-JDM front

I care. The same as the two (or three) EK9 Civics. It's a small change to a model that is already complete. Why not? I'd hope they do the same with Evos, and mid 2000 Subarus. Hell, I hope they do it with everything that only needs a facelift to help development times.

 

[05XR8]

After 25 years, think I'm more shocked TVR isn't well represented. It's a legacy brand from the series, since Day one. As a legacy premium brand, Aston Martin have a beautiful selection. More choices from Blackpool should be a given.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

The biggest issue with GT's car lists, in my opinion is that so much of it is more or less based around Kaz's own interests in cars. Yes, he has a well documented love affair with Japanese vehicles, but that's clearly been a problem in the past as it was clear that the armada of models between specific 90's hero cars made up the vast majority of the car list, often times with no differences to the main model because Polyphony didn't bother to model said differences unless they were actually notable. So what was the point?

If I'm honest, I agree with you on this case. There's some points where the car list determined by Kaz has lead to amazing things such as seeing cars I would normal never see in a racing game. I.E. There's no modern games with an official Evo. V Lancer right now nor a Porsche 964 Carrera RS. I know for certain Turn 10 would never do that as they're typically hardset on adding only the top-tier performance cars only.

However, that also has led to very rare occasions of actual newer cars coming to the series and that is truly a problem. Polyphony should be unique with their car list of course, but they also need to be current and sensible with some cars they add.

With their duplicates, I bet it was mostly done for marketing fluff and for the ease of it. In the past, it seemed that they spend a lot of time of some unique cars, but then make some minor edits to those to add another car to their list.

Why do we need a 458 GT3 when the 488 is almost out of service, and has been in other games with a notable eSports agenda? Why do we need a fake Mustang Gr.4 when the real Mustang GT4 is sold by Ford on a turn key basis, and has also been scanned into games?

Okay, for this, I agree on the Mustang GT4 and on adding the 488 GT3. However, I also don't see a point in just dropping the 458 GT3 in the process. I like having different generations of race cars so I can recreate races from different eras, especially if GT7 really is going to have a custom race system similar to Project Cars 2 or AC.

And more then anything else, it frustrates me that GT is falling back into old habits with duplicate cars - except this time around they are cars where there is little discernible difference between them other then model year. Why do we need two forms of the E30 when one would do? No arguments towards 'rarity' and 'uniqueness' is able to beat back against the fact that it's downright wasteful to model two cars that are, for all intents and purposes, identical. Why do we need two Renault Sport Clios who's only difference are model years? Why do we need tow M6 GT3's who's only difference is essentially paint schemes?

That's also an issue I've noticed. Duplicates still are occurring, but at a smaller interval than in the past games and with other countries taking part versus just Japan. I do question why they would add 2 3.0 CSLs versus just the 1973 version and maybe have the 1971 bumpers as an available mod to make. For the e30s, that would've been the perfect time to maybe make an e30 M3 DTM race car. Or maybe a 325i wagon. We really didn't need 2 different years of the same Clio, I would've put the Clio RS16 in its place.

Point taken. But if I had to choose between a 1974 Mustang Mach 1 or a 2021 Mach E, I would always choose the Mach E.

That's fair, I can understand if you like it as a car.

 

[WJHMH]

No classic or modern Mini Coopers, still waiting on a Lotus Super 7. The supercars are great but I like the smaller lightweight cars, so much fun to throw around on short courses. I guess it will wind up as DLC or a free download with a few months, years, etc...

 

[GTSportster]

I'm not really holding my breath for any modern GT3/GTE cars, PD seem satisfied with making fake concepts from their official partner manufacturers for new Group 3 content.

But not having the 2020 car of the year, the most radically changed corvette ever has to be some type of oversight. I'm with you on having alot of modern day gt3 cars is a tall ask from PD, but 1? Just for me? Surely they can do that.

Also I want a Volvo wagon gt car please. Is it the 850?

 

[sparkytooth]

No classic or modern Mini Coopers, still waiting on a Lotus Super 7. The supercars are great but I like the smaller lightweight cars, so much fun to throw around on short courses. I guess it will wind up as DLC or a free download with a few months, years, etc...

You got 2005 Cooper S and the 1965 Cooper S with the 975CC engine. Both were already in GT sport.

 

[Famine]

I don't really understand how PD are able to peddle so many duplicates without a bigger backlash from the gaming public.

Define "duplicate".

In addition the... what, seven or eight duplicated Vision GT cars (which are literally "Vision GT" and "Vision GT Gr.1") and with which I totally agree it's mad, there are... maybe three, possibly four cars in the entire current GT7 car list that could reasonably be defined as "duplicates" for real and not imaginary reasons, and only one of them is truly heinously duplicated (another was also heinously duplicated in GT Sport, but it's been amended; how effective that amendment is merits a closer look, so that might be rounded up to two). Depending on how the modification system works, there might be two additional ones.

In addition there are maybe three cars you could say are superfluous as an additional model that is broadly identical but with incremental improvements exists in the game (not, for example, the Focus ST and RS, which are fundamentally different suites of technology in a similar chassis; anyone who classes those as duplicates can be rightfully ignored).

So we're talking maybe 16 "duplicates" without ignoring pretty major stuff. What's that, about 3-4% of the car list?

Though of course ignoring pretty major stuff never stopped anyone else from creating spurious lists of duplicates previously.

 

[o000o]

No one would complain about the number of cars, if they announced the game with, let's say, 700 instead of 400ish cars. In GT5 and 6, the complaint wasn't about the amount of cars, but instead the disparity in quality, because Standard cars were added just for the sake of boosting the car count. The duplicates didn't help either, as they served to boost the count even more. Too many Miatas, Skylines, and so on.

In FM7 makes no sense, as the game as a great car list, not perfect, but great. I guess people complain because they think the amount cars hurts the rest of the game, somehow. If the car modeling is outsourced, it has no bearing on the rest of the dev team.

You really never heard the complaints for huge car lists? Like for Forza forum, it's here. It's unreasonable ofc, but just saying it can happen. And for GT if GT7 is announced as having many cars it can be accused as just inserting duplicates. While it's plausible to accuse them as bringing duplicates, still it's kinda morton's fork situation if they announce with bigger or relatively smaller number of cars.

Who on earth have you ever seen complain about the large number of cars, solely because it's a big number?

The Forza thread above, I guess.

There are thousands and thousands of cars from history for PD to pick from, you could absolutely create a list of 1000 cars that contained massive diversity across time and manufacturers and not just small variations of a handful of models. It's not realistic for reasons we all know, but hypothetically, it's more than possible.

In GT6 they do have around 1064 cars (around because there may be missed lists but not much likely as the post already took into account the majority of cars) if not counting duplicates.

 

[Samus]

You really never heard the complaints for huge car lists? Like for Forza forum, it's here. It's unreasonable ofc, but just saying it can happen. And for GT if GT7 is announced as having many cars it can be accused as just inserting duplicates. While it's plausible to accuse them as bringing duplicates, still it's kinda morton's fork situation if they announce with bigger or relatively smaller number of cars.

The Forza thread above, I guess.

Not going to read the whole thing but that seems more like people saying they'd be happy with lower counts if they're going to re-do them to make the models more accurate, rather than outright saying "I don't want 1000 cars".

I can't see why anyone wouldn't want the choice of 1000 cars, if those 1000 cars represented a huge part of automotive history and not 50 or 30 versions of the same car model over the years.

In GT6 they do have around 1064 cars (around because there may be missed lists but not much likely as the post already took into account the majority of cars) if not counting duplicates.

Yes but like I said, the variety and balance is very poor. 58 Mazdas, 1 Maserati. 115 Nissan's, 16 Ferrari's. 78 Toyota's, 13 Jaguars. Then all the companies with a huge history represented by just one or two cars, or not at all.

People don't like to be "duped" like that. Yes, all of us rabid fans on here knew exactly what we were in for because we saw the full list beforehand but all the casual people buying a game advertising 1000 or 1200 cars probably expected much more variety.

It'd be a bit like buying a Beatles boxset promising 100 songs but when you buy it you find there are 34 demo versions of 'Yellow Submarine' and 20 remixes and alt versions of 'Get Back'. Still fun, but not quite what you hoped and imagined.

 

[Sage Ages]

It's clear that there should be a top down evaluation of the Gr.3 and 4 car list, because Sport Mode basically revolves around these cars 85% of the time to begin with. There is absolutely no need to have vehicles that are pushing a decade old in terms of viability in the car list when modern equivalents exist and have been scanned into other games. Why do we need a 458 GT3 when the 488 is almost out of service, and has been in other games with a notable eSports agenda? Why do we need a fake Mustang Gr.4 when the real Mustang GT4 is sold by Ford on a turn key basis, and has also been scanned into games? It just seems like they're trying to justify their own groupings when everyone with half a brain to racing knowledge knows these are GT3 and 4 cars. Use the real thing if there is an option.

I'm pretty sure most of the Gr.3 and Gr.4 cars were designed very early into Sport's development cycle (probably 2015 and earlier). Take a minute to think about what cars actually existed during this period, and a lot of the fictional and outdated choices start to make more sense.


Could they have updated these cars later on to make them more up to date with actual race cars? Probably, but that is still a considerable time investment and someone has to make the decision as to whether or not its worth it.

 

[dacc10]

Yes but like I said, the variety and balance is very poor. 58 Mazdas, 1 Maserati. 115 Nissan's, 16 Ferrari's. 78 Toyota's, 13 Jaguars. Then all the companies with a huge history represented by just one or two cars, or not at all.

People don't like to be "duped" like that. Yes, all of us rabid fans on here knew exactly what we were in for because we saw the full list beforehand but all the casual people buying a game advertising 1000 or 1200 cars probably expected much more variety.

Exactly. Even browsing the big Japanese brands in GT6, was a pain in the... Scrolling through dozens of variations of the same car, to reach the car you actually wanted to buy, was just a waste of time.

Even GTS, and apparently GT7, still has brands underrepresented, and others not present at all. No Bentley, Cadillac, Opel, Isuzu, Koenigsegg, Skoda, Seat, Volvo, Buick, Acura, Caterham. And this is not even counting smaller/more obscure brands, which many people got to know them from past games.

It's clear that there should be a top down evaluation of the Gr.3 and 4 car list, because Sport Mode basically revolves around these cars 85% of the time to begin with. There is absolutely no need to have vehicles that are pushing a decade old in terms of viability in the car list when modern equivalents exist and have been scanned into other games. Why do we need a 458 GT3 when the 488 is almost out of service, and has been in other games with a notable eSports agenda? Why do we need a fake Mustang Gr.4 when the real Mustang GT4 is sold by Ford on a turn key basis, and has also been scanned into games? It just seems like they're trying to justify their own groupings when everyone with half a brain to racing knowledge knows these are GT3 and 4 cars. Use the real thing if there is an option.

I think at this point, it's just a matter of not being considered a priority. I think they'd rather expand each group so more brands can take part in them. For example, would people rather have the real GT4 version of the Mustang, or have those resources spent on an entirely new car, let's say, the Bentley Continental GT3? I think it's something that has to be evaluated individually for each brand, as not all of them have outdated GT3/Gr.3 cars (well, atleast not to the extent of Ferrari). Gr.4 is that class where pretty much anything can take part in it if PD wants to, not only with real GT4 cars, but fictional Gr.4 versions. Though revamping that class doesn't seem to be a priority either, with PD possibly just adding a few cars to keep it fresh.

I still think there should be more classes. There are cars that shouldn't be thrown into the existing roster. Group C cars for example, but that's a whole different debate.

Anyway, overall the list is decent, but not mind blowing. When it comes to road cars, it can't compete with FH5, and the list overall can't compete with FM7. There's hope we get content updates at a consistent rate.

 

[TomBrady]

I'm happiest about the Radical finally being added to GT. And the carrera GT. I've wanted those for years

I'm also incredibly concerned that the Mercedes W08 F1 car won't be returning. I thought it was returning but in that picture of 400 cars in the trailer, it wasn't among them. Maybe it was one of the "+" in the 400+ but I'm still so worried that my favorite car from GT sport won't be returning. The super Formula's are fun, but not nearly as fun as the W08. I don't care about liveries. I play GT to race and to drive, not to paint. That's just my point of view.

Almost forgot about the Chaparal 2J returning. That's epic!!!!

 

[JoaoSilva]

I'm happiest about the Radical finally being added to GT. And the carrera GT. I've wanted those for years

I'm also incredibly concerned that the Mercedes W08 F1 car won't be returning. I thought it was returning but in that picture of 400 cars in the trailer, it wasn't among them. Maybe it was one of the "+" in the 400+ but I'm still so worried that my favorite car from GT sport won't be returning. The super Formula's are fun, but not nearly as fun as the W08. I don't care about liveries. I play GT to race and to drive, not to paint. That's just my point of view.

The W08 has been seen in GT7 media already.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I thought it was returning but in that picture of 400 cars in the trailer, it wasn't among them. Maybe it was one of the "+" in the 400+ but I'm still so worried that my favorite car from GT sport won't be returning.

It's still coming to GT7. That picture didn't show the full car list, I didn't see the Pagani Zonda R nor the Nissan 300ZX on there for instance, but they were both seen in the state-of-play presentation elsewhere.

 

[Famine]

It's still coming to GT7. That picture didn't show the full car list, I didn't see the Pagani Zonda R nor the Nissan 300ZX on there for instance, but they were both seen in the state-of-play presentation elsewhere.

The Zonda and 300ZX would have been on the 21st row, because the list was sorted alphabetically by in-code filenames. It started at 4C and ended at WRX.

In-game, the Zonda R's filename is very likely "zonda_" something, and the 300zx is very likely "z32_" something, hence them appearing after WRX. Other cars likely to have appeared on the 21st row include the X2014 Junior, X2014 Standard, and X2019 Competition, the Zagato IsoRivolta, and the BMW Z4 GT3 and Z8. None of these were in the 400-car picture, but all are in the game - likely their filenames are x2014_, x2014_, x2019_, zagato_, z4_ and z8_, or something similar.

Essentially anything missed off the 400-car image could be in a 20 car next row (or the row after) if its in-game filename could start with a late w, or any x, y, or z. And that generally means cars that have an aspect of their name starting with that letter - which could include the next-gen Nissan Z (z34_).

The Fittipaldi EF7 Vision Gran Turismo doesn't even contain a w, x, y, or z, so it's difficult to conceive how it could appear in that row. In fact it's difficult to see why it doesn't appear in the image at all, or why it seems to have been removed from a Vision GT scapes shot that appeared earlier in the promotional push.

If it's in the game, it should have been there...