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[TB]

I actually got to watch the episode on the night it aired for once!

I had a few personal-no-important-to-the-show questions answered last night, at least: What will happen when Matt tries to read Peter's thoughts, are they going to just keep calling it a sword. Those kinds of questions.

I doubt Niki will be arrested. Jessica will kick back in. (Conrats to FK for for calling the Jessica goes to kill DL and Niki kicks back in thing in post 18. 👍 )

So the Haitian can talk and he has his own agenda. Interesting.

It all depends on how they play it out (Natural History Museum, perhaps) but they may have jumped the shark with Hiro fighting a T-Rex with a Katana.

 

[FoolKiller]

I had a few personal-no-important-to-the-show questions answered last night, at least: What will happen when Matt tries to read Peter's thoughts, are they going to just keep calling it a sword. Those kinds of questions.

I loved how it sounded like feedback from a microphone.

And the "I have to find that sword" line was great. With all Hiro has seen from the future I'm guessing that sword would be incredibly useful. It may just be a sword, but Hiro's powers would be pointless in a major fight so he needs some kind of weapon.

I doubt Niki will be arrested. Jessica will kick back in. (Conrats to FK for for calling the Jessica goes to kill DL and Niki kicks back in thing in post 18. 👍 )

Don't forget this:

Eden - She helped catch Sylar, but if he kills her and takes her power...

Maybe I should be writing this show. Thank God she outwitted him in the end, even if he does escape.

I will miss Eden.

So the Haitian can talk and he has his own agenda. Interesting.

Well, at least we now know why Claire's mom was so scatter brained. I guess repeated memory wipings have a side effect.

It all depends on how they play it out (Natural History Museum, perhaps) but they may have jumped the shark with Hiro fighting a T-Rex with a Katana.

After Peter's odd dream perhaps it is in a dream of sorts? Maybe it is symbolic of Sylar after he grows extremely powerful. Claire's father said that Sylar was integrating DNA into his own. What if he accidentally picks up some retile DNA along the way? That is far fetched, but who knows.

My best guess is that Isaac's paintings can become more symbolic when he is sober, or he can he even see into dreams. Perhaps Hiro has to defeat his inner demon in order to control his powers?

How fun is speculation?

 

[Solid Lifters]

I hated this episode for one good reason. They spoiled the secret of the explosion. Though, it was just a dream, I think Peter's dream was a "foretelling dream" that predicts the future so much like the paintings and other predictions. It appears to me, Peter cannot be around more than one Hero, or he'll explode. At least that's what I got from it.

If that's true, it seems a little too silly to me. Bad idea in the story.

 

[TB]

I'm thinking it is more along the lines of he gets too close to Radioactive Man and doesn't know how to control it.

 

[FoolKiller]

I'm thinking it is more along the lines of he gets too close to Radioactive Man and doesn't know how to control it.

Connecting some dots tells you they solve the problem though.

Hiro from the future comes back in time to talk to Peter about saving Claire. We now know that Hiro cannot change the past (cheaply saving us a long paradox discussion). Future Hiro seemed to know Peter and even seemed to be friendly with him because he mentioned their conversations.

So, for Future Hiro Peter is alive and well, with a scar. Dots connected - Peter doesn't splode.

That doesn't mean watching the story play out won't be exciting.

Where is Doc Brown when I need him?

 

[livemusic]

Okay, I have all the episodes so far but we only watched up to chapter seven, so I skipped the latter posts to avoid spoilers.

All I have to say is both me and my girlfriend are loving the show, it's turning up to be pretty interesting. I wish I had the time to watch the four episodes left but I don't think we'll be able to do that before the weekend.

 

[FoolKiller]

I wish I had the time to watch the four episodes left but I don't think we'll be able to do that before the weekend.

That's cool. There won't be anything new until Januray. So, jump in with anything once you feel like it. It helps feel the void of boredom.

 

[TB]

It helps feel the void of boredom.

It's pronounced lŏst.

Or lawst, if you prefer.

 

[kjb]

My assessment of the the first half of the season so far. It's a good show but it hasn't lived up to NBC's incessant ad promos. It is not the shows fault but I feel like NBC kept advertising certain things that didn't happen like we lead to believe. Fox did the same thing with Prisonbreak last. I stopped watching it for about a month because every week they would advertise this is the week they break and it wouldn't happen. The networks need to do a better job with all these false advertisements they can really turn people off to shows.

 

[livemusic]

We finished watching all the episodes so far and we're both really enjoying this show. But my girfriend was so pissed when I told her there won't be a new episode until January 22nd...

 

[TB]

If anyone is interested, all of the episodes can be watched online here.

 

[TB]

Just as a friendly reminder, Heroes starts up again tonight.

Are you on the list?

 

[FoolKiller]

I assumed we were to believe that Sylar escaped. Did I miss/forget something?

I am glad the Haitian (give us a name!) actually has what appears to be a good side agenda. But these characters with nicknames only (Haitian, Horn Rimmed Glasses/Mr. Bennett) is annoying. Although, I would let that slide if they quickly ended the Niki/Jessica storyline. The only connection she has to the rest is Linderman.


Which brings up what I belive is the true big question, but has yet to be brought up in the show: who is Linderman? Hiro believes that they must fight bad guys, but so far Jessica has been the only true bad guy, unless you consider the invisible guy picking pockets to be a villain. And I believe that Niki/Jessica will eventually merge into one with eth eart of Niki but the badassness of Jessica, kind of like we saw with the guard during the visitation. She reacted on instinct. Also, since she seems to be an Incredible Hulk ripoff - well, guess what form he eventually takes. It is a long backstory I will only go into if you don't know it.

The nuclear guy could become a villain, but I am hoping for more of a Gambit-like character. He went to the desert to learn control.

My belief is that Linderman is one of two things - a person with talents or a watcher. Either way he becomes a villain and has a large interest in the heroes, which is why he collects Isaac's paintings, has Hiro's sword, and basically owns Niki, Micah, and Nathan.


I picture one of two storylines:

1) The heroes go to Linderman to get Hiro's sword because he must have it to stop the dragon (nuclear explosion). They must battle Linderman, not stopping him but winning the battle so he can return another day. He will return another day. Peter, thinking he has learned to control his power, goes along and they meet the peaceful nuclear man. At first it has no effect other than some radiation but Peter begins to lose control by the time they get back.

2) The heroes go to Linderman where the nuclear man is begionning a vengeful tirade against Las Vegas and Peter helps to stop him, absorbing his powers. They think all is well and they go get Hiro's sword from Linderman. The group being together makes it obvious to Linderman who all if them are. He plays at nothing more than a crude businessman, but takes not of them all. When they return to New York Peter begins to lose control of the nuclear power.

In both scenarios two things will definitely happen.

1) Hiro gets his sword and uses it to stop Peter from exploding somehow, leaving him with a scar.

2) Saving the world draws the attention of both Mohinder and Claire's father. Mohinder serves as their guide, studying them and finding ways to help them control their power on their own. Claire's father wants to make them forget their powers and close off the part of their brain that controls it so that they can't be a threat that may risk blowing up entire cities again. Basically he is an antagonist with good intentions.

Eventaully, probably not this season, the Haitian will defect and help the heroes because he understands his ability as a gift, not a curse or an uncontrolable power. He serves as a spiritual guide in contrast to Mohinder's scientific guidance.

 

[Solid Lifters]

I'm still not clear who Claire's father, Mr. Bennett, works for or whom they are. I know it's "Primatech" but who are they? Other "heroes" looking for a cure, or a company looking for a way to make more "heroes"? They're in ODESSA TX according to a sign I saw.

I took the web address and password (www.primatechpaper.com and 1800PRIMA16) from the business card that Mohinder got from Mr. Bennett and entered them at www.primatechpaper.org and got... well, try it for yourself.

I called the number, 1800PRIMA16, and got a password for www.primatechpaper.com, but haven't gone there yet. My password was MP36. EDIT: It didn't work.

Oh, if you enter "Mohinder" and "MP36" at primatechpaper.org site, you get a neat new page with a lot of cool stuff. I told you to try it! There's a forum there, too. Brand new with very few messages. I guess it wont be that way for long.

EDIT II: Ahhhhh, the correct code is MT36. Trying it now.

 

[FoolKiller]

I'm don't know who Mr. Bennett works for either, but I am sure we can take our guesses: Government, evil corporation, etc. I'm sure it will be one of those cliches.


So after entering the invitation code at Primatech.com did you actually fill out that entire form with all your personal information? Is it worth it?

 

[Solid Lifters]

I'm don't know who Mr. Bennett works for either, but I am sure we can take our guesses: Government, evil corporation, etc. I'm sure it will be one of those cliches.


So after entering the invitation code at Primatech.com did you actually fill out that entire form with all your personal information? Is it worth it?

No, I didn't enter anything. But, you can still make posts in Mr. Bennet's blog, and use the forum.

 

[Talentless]

Nathan - Flying politician. Brother of Peter.

I don't watch the show, but that description was amusing. See a bloated Congressman fly around in pricey suits. Dennis Hastert is the Flying Monk!

 

[TB]

Guess again, Talentless.

 

[FoolKiller]

Yeah, in the world of NBC Martin Sheen is the closest you will get to a fat politician.

 

[kjb]

I wonder if the future has been changed. I say that because in Peter's dream Isaac is still alive but when Hiro went to the future Isaac was killed before the explosion. He probably still dies but I though maybe just maybe it might have changed.

 

[Talentless]

He looks kind of like Benjamin Bratt, but gaunter.

 

[FoolKiller]

I wonder if the future has been changed. I say that because in Peter's dream Isaac is still alive but when Hiro went to the future Isaac was killed before the explosion. He probably still dies but I though maybe just maybe it might have changed.

I believe the future has been changed. Just the fact that the Heroes became aware of Sylar and have since attempted to intervene means the future may have changed. Peter's interference with his attack on Claire allowed him to be captured and may be enough to have set his plans back.

Of course, there is the other posibility that their interference means Sylar now knows about Isaac because they were both in the same place while captured, and for someone with Sylar's plan seeing the future could be priceless.

I think changing the future ios always a possibility, but I believe that changing the past is not, as it has already happened. I think this could explain Hiro's inadvertent teleportation when he went into the past. He created an alternate timeline, one that he does not belong in and when the timeline split he was pulled back to his own. It is possible he saved the girl, but not as he knows it. Or the writers caused him to have an emotionally triggerd uncontrolled shift in his powers, which saves them all this paradox/rift discussion (weak).

Because they have mentioned creating rifts I will continue on that line of thought that when he goes forward in time he sees his current future, but because it has yet to happen it can be changed. It goes along the Bill & Ted theory that no matter where you travel in time the present is still the present, the past is done, and the future still has yet to happen.

Of course then the question of Future Hiro approaching Peter comes about. Following the Bill & Ted theory: If you go back in time, within your own timeline, and briefly interact enough to cause events in your own past to occur you have not created a rift because it already happened, but too much interaction can risk a rift, even if minor.


And all this hurts my head, which is why I think the writers just had Hiro have an emotionally triggered uncontrolled teleportation. Honestly, all that crap I just said would take a whole season to explain in a TV show to the general public. They would have been better off leaving time travel out of it, but it makes a convenient deus ex machina to have Future Hiro occasionally pop back to point them in the right direction, saving the writers from creatively finding ways to achieve the same result while making the audience say, "That was cool!"

 

[livemusic]

We watched this one last night. I also thought Sylar had escaped, gotta watch episode #10 again.

Could Mr. Bennet and Linderman be the same person? Or maybe he works for Linderman?

 

[FoolKiller]

We watched this one last night. I also thought Sylar had escaped, gotta watch episode #10 again.

Could Mr. Bennet and Linderman be the same person? Or maybe he works for Linderman?

Well, Linderman is always in Las Vegas, or presumed to be. Mr. Bennet could be Linderman, but he seems to be setup in Texas.

I think working for Linderman could be the more likely scenario.

However, Linderman seems to have more of a hobby type interest in the Heroes. I also think he is much older as he had been paying off Nathan and Peter's father since they were kids.

Using comic book references (use Wiki if you don't know them) Linderman seems like he might be more of a Mr. Sinister or Apocalypse. If Mr. Bennet does work for Linderman then he would be teh Mr. Sinister to Linderman's Apocalypse. Anyway, Apocalypse was an ancient mutant, possibly the first, who kind of watched from afar before beginning his attack. Mr. Sinister was a genius scientist evil mutant who eventually worked for Apocalypse and always liked studying mutants, even stepping WAY over the bounds of ethical science, sometimes killing his test subjects. Sinister also watched from a distance, and even controlled some events without letting himself be known.

I would feel much batter if this show didn't coincide with X-Men so much. Although I like their more realistic approach to it and the only time things seem to have this heroes and villains view is when Hiro describes it.

Another thought is that Linderman coudl just be Kingpin, a mofia boss that gave Spiderman and Daredevil (possibly Fantastic Four?) trouble.



Someone reads too many comic books.

 

[kjb]

I personally think that there might be some connection between the two. If you remember the episode where Nathan hooked up w/ Jessica(Niki) Bennett and the Haitian tried to capture Nathan. But maybe if Bennett does not work for him they have some type of partnership going on or something.

 

[FoolKiller]

I personally think that there might be some connection between the two. If you remember the episode where Nathan hooked up w/ Jessica(Niki) Bennett and the Haitian tried to capture Nathan. But maybe if Bennett does not work for him they have some type of partnership going on or something.

You're right. I forgot about that.


What threw me about that abduction was that it wasn't treated like any of the others that we've seen. He wasn't taken into whatever room and studied and drugged or used in capturing Sylar. They had him outside, where he just flew away. That tells me they knew little about his ability, just that he has some.

Of course, he is a politician and his whereabouts are public knowledge. It could have just been easier to snag him from a hotel room while he just had the small two-man security team alloted to candidates instead of his entire campaign team and family.

Then of course, the other problem with the theory is that Linderman has to know about Jessica/Niki by this point (or at least suspect), but Bennet and the Haitian just left her behind. My thinking is that she was not on Dr. Suresh's list, so they didn't know about her, but Nathan was.

 

[TB]

Let me start off my review of last nights episode with this: Television for me is a time to shut my brain off and veg for a few hours. The kids are in bed. The dishes are in the dishwasher. My jammies are on. I don't put too much thought into an episode of anything, as evidenced by my posts both here and in the LOST thread. That said:

If there was anything else on that I was interested in watching on Monday night, I would be tempted to cancel my Season Pass for Heroes after last nights episode. The entire episode was entirely too predictable, at least for me.

"Matt, I have one more." I bet she's pregnant. "We're going to have a baby?" Great.

*Jess/Niki alone in her padded room* I s'pose DL is going to walk in soon. *DL phases through wall*

*Micah looking at the ATM* I bet... Yep.

"You made the right call, then." *lifts cigarette to her mouth* Hey, it's not lit. Don't tell me... Come on.

Invisible man - "Don't follow me. You won't find me." He'll be back. Aaaand there he is.

*van door opens. Hiro looks at a Japanese man* I bet it's his boss. No wait, his dad. "Father?"

Sure it's easy to say that I saw all of that coming online after the show is over, but the entire episode was completely too predictable. Due to my skill of picking some of the worst shows to watch and deciding to stick them out until the end (Earth 2, Viper, etc.) Heroes will no doubt be no different. I just hope it shapes up quickly so I can get back to enjoying it instead of just watching it for the sake of killing time.

 

[FoolKiller]

Let me start off my review of last nights episode with this: Television for me is a time to shut my brain off and veg for a few hours. The kids are in bed. The dishes are in the dishwasher. My jammies are on. I don't put too much thought into an episode of anything, as evidenced by my posts both here and in the LOST thread. That said:

If there was anything else on that I was interested in watching on Monday night, I would be tempted to cancel my Season Pass for Heroes after last nights episode. The entire episode was entirely too predictable, at least for me.

"Matt, I have one more." I bet she's pregnant. "We're going to have a baby?" Great.

*Jess/Niki alone in her padded room* I s'pose DL is going to walk in soon. *DL phases through wall*

*Micah looking at the ATM* I bet... Yep.

"You made the right call, then." *lifts cigarette to her mouth* Hey, it's not lit. Don't tell me... Come on.

Invisible man - "Don't follow me. You won't find me." He'll be back. Aaaand there he is.

*van door opens. Hiro looks at a Japanese man* I bet it's his boss. No wait, his dad. "Father?"

Sure it's easy to say that I saw all of that coming online after the show is over, but the entire episode was completely too predictable. Due to my skill of picking some of the worst shows to watch and deciding to stick them out until the end (Earth 2, Viper, etc.) Heroes will no doubt be no different. I just hope it shapes up quickly so I can get back to enjoying it instead of just watching it for the sake of killing time.

Yeah, it was predictable. The pregnancy thing seemed obvious. But is it his?

DL walking in was actually over due at this point.

The Micah thing was extremely predictable.

I knew Claire's mom was going to be her mom but I didn't see the Human Torch thing coming.

I knew the invisible man would be back because they got Christopher Eccleston (Gone in 60 Seconds, eXistenZ, 2005 Doctor Who) who you don't give a 2 minute part to.

Then Hiro's dad I knew would be someone from Japan because George Takei (Captain Sulu!) was listed in the opening credits. I could have cared less about who he was playing as long as it was George Takei. When I was about 12 my dad and I played geeks and went to a Star Trek convention once where I met him and got his autograph. He's a funny guy. I want to know what his power will be since this seems to be genetic and they hinted that Claire's father might actually be Sylar. And Niki and DL have a gifted son in Micah. Mohinder pointed out that it is a genetic aberration that allows this.

Who wants to bet that Hiro's family is descended from the samurai in the museum? His father is probably connected to Linderman too. International mafia relations perhaps?

Oh, and I blatantly saw Sylar waking up too.



Predictability aside, we still need to move past Niki/Jessica. It feels like it is still part of her/their back story. She integrates the split personality to be bad ass Niki. It seems like the next bit of theme will be about controlling their gifts.


And I have a far future prediction. Nathan Petrelli becomes a powerful politician where he heads up a secret agency to protect/harbor the heroes so that they can stop the Sylars of the world.

 

[TB]

George Takei (Captain Sulu!) was listed in the opening credits.

I'm not quite sure how I missed that, but so be it.

And I have a far future prediction. Nathan Petrelli becomes a powerful politician where he heads up a secret agency to protect/harbor the heroes so that they can stop the Sylars of the world.

So a Xavier-Grey-McCoy hybrid?

 

[FoolKiller]

I'm not quite sure how I missed that, but so be it.

Because they flashed it on screen for a split second, and I think they were off to the side, or my focus was drawn off center. Either way I nearly missed it but just caught it.

So a Xavier-Grey-McCoy hybrid?

Possibly, but I was thinking not so public. I was thinking that he would hide what he is and just fight for the rights, and then work with Homeland Security to develop an agency that can track the criminal elements that have been gifted with power.


Or kind of like Hank McCoy in X3, Secretary of whatever they call them Relations. And then he works with Homeland Security. Whatever the case, something happens in the future that allows Hiro to just walk around with a sword.