Hybriding/save hacking arrives in GT6 - Public discussion

[Nikked]

Well, from GT5's hacking era, PD took some influence and gave us wing-deletes on some cars...


I'd be keen on hacking, but only if the editor program comes available, and it would be wing deletes, increasing track and building realistic cars...Like a GT350 but with a 2013 Boss 302 driveline...


Or a quad rotor RX-7 :-)

 

[Lasercats2]

You said at you bought game, in other words you bought only rights to use it (use in term what are described on EULA&TOS), there is no way to legitimise any hacking of save game or any other part of game, not even for offline usage.

Whats really funny is how upset you are about this whole thing. Why do you care if someone hacks a few cars to mess around in single player? Did they hurt you with it? If its not hurting people and not causing money to be lost i see no problem with it

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm Sorry if i were majoring in English i would worry about it but I'm not, yes i agreed to to the terms of service that does not mean you have the right to try to belittle me in a public forum

Yeah, that's going to go over well

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The immature casual will eat this up, sneak in a few extra horses, better grip etc and win races online with it. And we wouldn't know any better. This effectively could ruin any room, and serious, honest racing would become obsolete because of it....

You can't cheat the PP system

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Again, you win. Hybriding is here. Now what?

The potential damage to this game from hackers is quite obvious. The “XXL” or “Super Online” versions or whatever else they have planed is clearly in jeopardy.

It seems to me the best way to deal with this is to ban PSN users with hacked cars from Gran Turismo servers. They don’t need to brick their systems, or even ban their PSN user names. I am sure there are plenty of parents that use their kids PSN account to watch Netflix.

Those with hacked cars would still be able to enjoy them, they would just not be able to take them online or use them in seasonal events.

If you have hacked cars and get banned from GT servers, you could simply create a new PSN account and get right back online.

My point is people with hacked game saves should not be allowed online. I don’t care what anyone does offline.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Use PP limit + HP + weight and restrict tire, that should be more than enough to keep the room from cheaters, hybrid can still enters, but they will still have to follow the rules. Engina swaps, chassis swaps alters PP accordingly, so I would be fine with them in my room

I usually have these set on my lobby ( track day practice ) :

No aids allowed ( no ABS included ), sports soft tire limit ( often comfort soft limit ), around 1000HP limit, often no weight limit ( depend on room theme ), grip real, tire wear on ( normal ), damage light.

 

[subsist]

I never said you told me to not play GT. I said don't tell me that I shouldn't be playing GT then. And sorry, but I'll believe you when you tell me how using my chassis swap/engine swap cars for cruising and drifting is cheating. Tell me how on earth a car that is lower than usual with a wider chassis is cheating in a cruise lobby. And if you think hacking is unfair for drifting then you're wrong. If you drift solely for points then you really aren't a real drifter (not saying you aren't good at drifting if you drift for points, just saying that drifting is more than just points). Tell me how I am a cheater for doing it for those purposes.

You seem to start ranting about things that have not even been said.

I think it is blatantly obvious I was talking about online racing and not drifting/cruising in a lobby and I think you know exactly what I was talking about. You just try and win arguments, if that is what this is, by using examples in the argument which were never even brought up in the first place.

You quote me,then say things like "and don't tell me I can't play GT6" when I had intention of doing that in the first place, I'm not sure where you even got that idea from. You really need to stop ranting off the top of your head and try to write something more constructive instead of arguing against yourself.

 

[OdeFinn]

Whats really funny is how upset you are about this whole thing. Why do you care if someone hacks a few cars to mess around in single player? Did they hurt you with it? If its not hurting people and not causing money to be lost i see no problem with it

If you personally manage to hack your game save file, and you keep that information on your self and enjoy it alone at your home on single player mode, then its your thing and nobody knows what you do there.
But if you spread information how to do it, and brass with it on Youtube and forums then its different.
After information is spread around internet there will be bunch of brainless dudes trying to do that on online, and messing up good races, leagues, forums, and fun from other people who want to race fair races.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The potential damage to this game from hackers is quite obvious. The “XXL” or “Super Online” versions or whatever else they have planed is clearly in jeopardy.

PD implemented more than enough restrictions to keep them out of any lobby if you so choose, tools we did not have in GT5. What is this potential damage that is so obvious, given that you never need to deal with them in any lobby with proper restrictions?

 

[ukfan758]

As long as these hackers only use these cars in single player, I'm fine. But if they go online with those cars, they should be permanently banned from the online features in PD games. The way they ban them should be not just through PSN, but IP too so they can't ever get on again.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

As Johnnypenso said, we have the tools to restrict lobby rules as we see fit, HP, PP, weight and tire limit can be set together. Personally, I don't mind realistic hybrids - replica, engine and chassis swaps in my room. They add flavor to the room. I would create highway battle room with hybrids, V8 Turbo Miatas vs supercars ( turbo 458 Italia ) vs wangan midnight cars ( Devil Z ), just like in GT5 days

 

[CodeRedR51]

As long as these hackers only use these cars in single player, I'm fine. But if they go online with those cars, they should be permanently banned from the online features in PD games. The way they ban them should be not just through PSN, but IP too so they can't ever get on again.

Depends on what they are doing with them online. If someone decided to create a hybrid only racing series, or just go into a free run room with some friends to mess around with them, that shouldn't really matter.

Going into an open lobby and trying to race with them without anyone knowing, that's a different story.

 

[Lasercats2]

If you personally manage to hack your game save file, and you keep that information on your self and enjoy it alone at your home on single player mode, then its your thing and nobody knows what you do there.
But if you spread information how to do it, and brass with it on Youtube and forums then its different.
After information is spread around internet there will be bunch of brainless dudes trying to do that on online, and messing up good races, leagues, forums, and fun from other people who want to race fair races.

I get that yes, but couldnt you simply kick those people? Or if you know everyone who is going to join the lobby just make it invite only

 

[Chrunch Houston]

PD implemented more than enough restrictions to keep them out of any lobby if you so choose, tools we did not have in GT5. What is this potential damage that is so obvious, given that you never need to deal with them in any lobby with proper restrictions?

Tell me what weight/HP limits I should use in a 425pp room. Limits that will allow super light cars with little horsepower and big heavy cars with lots of horsepower.

We don't all drive sedans.

 

[subsist]

Anyone that keeps saying what harm does it do if I do this offline etc etc. It is ok if you hacked the files yourself, never go online and did not get the info to do it from the public domain, Which I'll put money on 99.9% of you got the info online on how to hack, which means it is already out there doing harm. So that argument falls short imo.

The argument that PD implemented lobby features to restrict pp/hp/weight is also very weak. We shouldn't have to use restrictions to keep hackers out of our lobbies. There should be no hackers in our lobbies in the first place. That is my argument back for that weak excuse. But because of these people who "harmlessly" like to spread their information like wild fire, it is always going to end up in the wrong hands, and I don't believe for a second that the people who release these ways to hack publicly do not know this, not for one second.

 

[jimipitbull]

Whats really funny is how upset you are about this whole thing. Why do you care if someone hacks a few cars to mess around in single player? Did they hurt you with it? If its not hurting people and not causing money to be lost i see no problem with it

You really think this will be limited to single player? If PD have to spend time patching hackers, that could easily cause delays for upcoming features, content etc.

 

[Lasercats2]

You really think this will be limited to single player? If PD have to spend time patching hackers, that could easily cause delays for upcoming features, content etc.

As if they were really going to give us any content

 

[tazarii]

Yeah, that's going to go over well


You can't cheat the PP system

What are you trying to say? That one can hide behind the TOS but others cannot ,Well that's just (asinine) <---- almost went to the dictionary for that one

 

[OdeFinn]

PD implemented more than enough restrictions to keep them out of any lobby if you so choose, tools we did not have in GT5. What is this potential damage that is so obvious, given that you never need to deal with them in any lobby with proper restrictions?

If you got a car with extra 10% everything, tagged on data as "stock" and you enter SPEC race with powerlimitter, how you avoid that, or just "one make race" as everyone having full tuned cars, but one have that extra 10% and downgraded from that to "same full tuned" values, except he got way longer HP peak.

There is no point of saying at you can avoid hacked cars from online rooms by setting restrictions to them, that is just BS, there is no way to avoid hacked cars on online rooms.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Tell me what weight/HP limits I should use in a 425pp room. Limits that will allow super light cars with little horsepower and big heavy cars with lots of horsepower.

We don't all drive sedans.

Whatever the weight and HP of the heaviest most powerful car at 425 PP is, same for any other PP level.

If you got a car with extra 10% everything, tagged on data as "stock" and you enter SPEC race with powerlimitter, how you avoid that, or just "one make race" as everyone having full tuned cars, but one have that extra 10% and downgraded from that to "same full tuned" values, except he got way longer HP peak.

There is no point of saying at you can avoid hacked cars from online rooms by setting restrictions to them, that is just BS, there is no way to avoid hacked cars on online rooms.

You can't tag anything as "stock", or at least I never found a way to do that. Once you change something it's no longer spec and won't get into a tuning prohibited room. Unless you have some proof this can be done it's a complete strawman, sky is falling argument.

What are you trying to say? That one can hide behind the TOS but others cannot ,Well that's just (asinine) <---- almost went to the dictionary for that one

I never mentioned the TOS so I have no idea what you are talking about. I could care less about the TOS, that's PD/Sony's worry not mine. All I care about is controlling the inevitable hybriding that has occured in every GT from 1 to 6, from infiltrating online lobbies. I'll let Sony/PD worry about the legal stuff.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Whatever the weight and HP of the heaviest most powerful car at 425 PP is, same for any other PP level.

That makes no :censored:ing sense at all.

My Mini Marcos will never be that heavy.

 

[Tornado]

The argument that PD implemented lobby features to restrict pp/hp/weight is also very weak. We shouldn't have to use restrictions to keep hackers out of our lobbies. There should be no hackers in our lobbies in the first place. That is my argument back for that weak excuse.

"Why should I have to take any steps to verify my room integrity even though now I do have the ability to do so" isn't actually a definitive counterargument so much as laziness.

 

[Johnnypenso]

That makes no :censored:ing sense at all.

My Mini Marcos will never be that heavy.

My mistake. Set the weight minimum to the lightest car and the HP max to the most powerful.
No need to swear by the way. If you can't discuss this calmly you might want to take a step away from the computer for a while.

 

[jimipitbull]

As if they were really going to give us any content

They already have.

 

[Lasercats2]

They already have.

I guess it really comes down to what you consider 'content'

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

PP system takes into account weight, engine = power ( HP ), torque figure and curve, weight distribution, chassis, and aero. One can create a hybrid ( different engine + chassis ) at certain PP, but it will still follows PP calculation, it may have very light weight chassis with aero, but power and torque will be limited. Similar to adding flat floor, PP will increase that it negates the added grip benefits on certain PP level.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

My mistake. Set the weight minimum to the lightest car and the HP max to the most powerful.

Then what have you stopped?

Not a damn thing.

PD needs to do whatever is possable to keep the hacked cars offline

 

[OdeFinn]

You can't tag anything as "stock", or at least I never found a way to do that. Once you change something it's no longer spec and won't get into a tuning prohibited room. Unless you have some proof this can be done it's a complete strawman, sky is falling argument.

First part was hypothesis as "stcok" tag, second was real and thing what you don't read or want to read, tuning allowed room and there is 0 ways to avoid hacked cars, there is no tool/restriction to do that.

 

[Johnnypenso]

First part was hypothesis as "stcok" tag, second was real and thing what you don't read or want to read, tuning allowed room and there is 0 ways to avoid hacked cars, there is no tool/restriction to do that.

I have no idea what the first part of your response means, sorry. Second half is wrong.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Once a car data has been changed, it won't be stock anymore, the game knows this, it validates base stock car data parts ( engine, chassis, suspension, LSD, drivetrain, aero, ballast, etc )

 

[Johnnypenso]

Then what have you stopped?

Not a damn thing.

PD needs to do whatever is possable to keep the hacked cars offline

What do I need to stop? I don't care if someone shows up in an Elise or an Elise that looks like a Mini Marcos. Why would I care so long as they have no performance advantage over me? I raced hundreds of races in GT5 with hybrids and no one ever knew the difference other than a handful that questioned my engine sounds.