Hybriding/save hacking arrives in GT6 - Public discussion

  • Thread starter tazarii
  • 458 comments
  • 61,534 views
Status
Not open for further replies.
You said at you bought game, in other words you bought only rights to use it (use in term what are described on EULA&TOS), there is no way to legitimise any hacking of save game or any other part of game, not even for offline usage.
I think the 20-something years you could buy commercially available software that did exactly that, and the court case that Nintendo very publicly lost trying to keep that software off the market, legitimizes the idea far more than the GT6 EULA legitimizes the idea that Sony has a right to dictate what you can do with your game when you're not online under threat of taking it away from you.
 
What do I need to stop? I don't care if someone shows up in an Elise or an Elise that looks like a Mini Marcos. Why would I care so long as they have no performance advantage over me? I raced hundreds of races in GT5 with hybrids and no one ever knew the difference other than a handful that questioned my engine sounds:lol:.
Wow that discussion collapse was loader than my screen name.
I totally agree with your lack of a response.
 
Then what have you stopped?

Not a damn thing.

PD needs to do whatever is possable to keep the hacked cars offline
Hacked cars are already online and PD will add thing's to try to stop them but the hackers always stay one step ahead,shoot maybe the hackers should create the rest of the game we might actually get things done
 
Wow that discussion collapse was loader than my screen name.
I totally agree with your lack of a response.
Your not liking the response doesn't mean you didn't get one. I do not care about keeping hybrids out of my rooms. I'm not afraid of them because I know they cannot get a performance advantage over me. If you want to run around like a chicken with your head cut off go ahead. Using the limitations PD provided you can keep out the high HP cars and the guys with SuperSofts.
 
I have no idea what the first part of your response means, sorry. Second half is wrong.
So if you say at it is possible to point out hacked car from room where is tuning allowed, room what is for league and there is restrictions for current car let say (hypothesis car, not real), 503pp 1207kg 551hp CM tires Honda model X, no other cars allowed, only that car, and those values are same as full tuned oil changed max weight reduce of that "honda X". That honda has also front and rear wings.

Tell me how to point out some one with "bonus" 10% HP limited to same 551hp as others.
There is no need to tune fully, or have to tune fully so there can be cars what are under that PP range, or using Ballast and going under that PP range because of it.

So where is the trick what you pull out from your hat and say who is cheating with hacked car. You can't point it out.
=> You are so wrong.
 
"Why should I have to take any steps to verify my room integrity even though now I do have the ability to do so" isn't actually a definitive counterargument so much as laziness.


Those settings are not implemented in online lobbies to keep hackers out. That is not the reason they are there at all, and should not have to be used in such a way. I think that is a pretty definitive counter-argument and nothing to do with laziness.

"I should not have to" is NOT the same as "I will not do it".

Oh and please, if you are going to quote someone, then misrepresent what they said, just give up now. You directly quote me, then put in quote marks a total paraphrase of what I said, and not only a paraphrase, but a massively misrepresented one.
 
Those settings are not implemented in online lobbies to keep hackers out.
But they can be used as such, so that's irrelevant as a counter argument against how they are a way to do so.

I think that is a pretty definitive counter-argument and nothing to do with laziness.
Your argument amounts to "I don't want to do it because I shouldn't have to." Tell me what else that could be called. Circular reasoning, maybe?

"I should not have to" is NOT the same as "I will not do it".
So don't use them as if they are the same.

Oh and please, if you are going to quote someone, then misrepresent what they said, just give up now. You directly quote me, then put in quote marks a total paraphrase of what I said, and not only a paraphrase, but a massively misrepresented one.
Show me the misrepresentation, please.
 
Last edited:
So if you say at it is possible to point out hacked car from room where is tuning allowed, room what is for league and there is restrictions for current car let say (hypothesis car, not real), 503pp 1207kg 551hp CM tires Honda model X, no other cars allowed, only that car, and those values are same as full tuned oil changed max weight reduce of that "honda X". That honda has also front and rear wings.

Tell me how to point out some one with "bonus" 10% HP limited to same 551hp as others.
There is no need to tune fully, or have to tune fully so there can be cars what are under that PP range, or using Ballast and going under that PP range because of it.

So where is the trick what you pull out from your hat and say who is cheating with hacked car. You can't point it out.
=> You are so wrong.

The bonus 10% power will also have bonus torque ( whatever the method to add ), which will increase PP ( can't avoid this ), limiting power to fit 503PP will set it back less than 551HP because the added torque is present.

Similar with changing chassis, say the Honda uses different honda chassis with more grip ( from LM Road car for instance ), the added grip is reflected in the PP, each chassis has set PP value of it's own, the Honda might have better chassis/grip, but it will have much higher PP, to make it fit into 503PP, it will have reduce power and torque. It may excel in corners, but slower in acceleration and top speed. Imagine another Honda with flat floor added but have to fit same 503PP.
 
So if you say at it is possible to point out hacked car from room where is tuning allowed, room what is for league and there is restrictions for current car let say (hypothesis car, not real), 503pp 1207kg 551hp CM tires Honda model X, no other cars allowed, only that car, and those values are same as full tuned oil changed max weight reduce of that "honda X". That honda has also front and rear wings.

Tell me how to point out some one with "bonus" 10% HP limited to same 551hp as others.
There is no need to tune fully, or have to tune fully so there can be cars what are under that PP range, or using Ballast and going under that PP range because of it.

So where is the trick what you pull out from your hat and say who is cheating with hacked car. You can't point it out.
=> You are so wrong.

Simple. PP restrictions. That car that has the extra power and then limited will have more PP than the cars that follow the regs. If the legit cars are 503pp 1207kg 551hp then someone using the power limiter from say 600 to 551 hp will have more than 503PP and won't be able to get into the pits.

EDIT: Tree'd by @Ridox2JZGTE :cheers:

Those settings are not implemented in online lobbies to keep hackers out. That is not the reason they are there at all, and should not have to be used in such a way. I think that is a pretty definitive counter-argument and nothing to do with laziness.

"I should not have to" is NOT the same as "I will not do it".

How do you know that's not the reason? Those multiple restrictions weren't available in GT5 but were sorely needed and much requested. PD has stated many times they listened to fan feedback in designing the online portion of the game. It's just as plausible that those features were implemented for that exact purpose.
 
Your not liking the response doesn't mean you didn't get one. I do not care about keeping hybrids out of my rooms. I'm not afraid of them because I know they cannot get a performance advantage over me. If you want to run around like a chicken with your head cut off go ahead. Using the limitations PD provided you can keep out the high HP cars and the guys with SuperSofts.
I am not going to change the way I play the game because some punks feel the need to google search a way to hack their game save.

I like racing soft tires. I like everything about the way I play the game. Screw the hackers I am following the games TOS.

I do NOT need to change the way I play, the hackers need to be banned.
 
What do I need to stop? I don't care if someone shows up in an Elise or an Elise that looks like a Mini Marcos. Why would I care so long as they have no performance advantage over me? I raced hundreds of races in GT5 with hybrids and no one ever knew the difference other than a handful that questioned my engine sounds:lol:.


I just lost all respect for you, I actually used your tunes, not anymore sorry.

I cannot believe you just admitted to going into online lobbies and deceiving people in hybrid cars, you basically just called yourself a cheat, even if you do not see it that way, many many do.

You might not have a problem with it, you might think it is ok in your head, but PD does not think it is ok at all and that is the bottom line. If you break rules by hacking in a game, then going online to race with those hacks that is cheating in my book, no two ways about it.
 
The bonus 10% power will also have bonus torque ( whatever the method to add ), which will increase PP ( can't avoid this ), limiting power to fit 503PP will set it back less than 551HP because the added torque is present.

Read again, There can be legit cars running under PP range, and limiting 10% extra to fit in room and you still got LONG HP PEAK for that car, if others are going 551hp between 6200-6250rpm and on 5000rpm they got 470hp, then there is guy with hacked car what have constant 540hp from 5000rpm to 7000rpm.
 
I am not going to change the way I play the game because some punks feel the need to google search a way to hack their game save.

I like racing soft tires. I like everything about the way I play the game. Screw the hackers I am following the games TOS.

I do NOT need to change the way I play, the hackers need to be banned.
Have fun with your head in the sand while the rest of us deal with reality. You complaining about it will solve nothing and the regular racers in your group will potentially suffer from your unwillingness to take action if that's the path you follow.

I just lost all respect for you, I actually used your tunes, not anymore sorry.

I cannot believe you just admitted to going into online lobbies and deceiving people in hybrid cars, you basically just called yourself a cheat, even if you do not see it that way, many many do.

You might not have a problem with it, you might think it is ok in your head, but PD does not think it is ok at all and that is the bottom line. If you break rules by hacking in a game, then going online to race with those hacks that is cheating in my book, no two ways about it.
No problem :cheers: I've never made it a secret that I used hybrids in both hybrid lobbies and regular lobbies in GT5 because I have nothing to hide. I never gained any performance advantage from it and freely shared any cars I made with anyone that wanted them. I simply used the hybriding tools to make crappy uncompetitive cars, more competitive against the better cars in the game. If that's cheating to you then so be it:tup:. If you actually understood how the hybriding system worked you would realize this was true. If you've never hybrided you're hardly qualified to discuss the subject are you?
 
Last edited:
Simple. PP restrictions. That car that has the extra power and then limited will have more PP than the cars that follow the regs. If the legit cars are 503pp 1207kg 551hp then someone using the power limiter from say 600 to 551 hp will have more than 503PP and won't be able to get into the pits.

EDIT: Tree'd by @Ridox2JZGTE :cheers:



How do you know that's not the reason? Those multiple restrictions weren't available in GT5 but were sorely needed and much requested. PD has stated many times they listened to fan feedback in designing the online portion of the game. It's just as plausible that those features were implemented for that exact purpose.


Oh come on please, I know you are smarter than that. You cannot really believe those options were included to stop hackers? They are included to weight/HP/PP restrict races, as in weight class, or HP/Weight class, I don't believe that you believe they were intended to stop hacking, I believe you are using that as a base to support your hacking and how it is "ok" to do it.
 
Oh come on please, I know you are smarter than that. You cannot really believe those options were included to stop hackers? They are included to weight/HP/PP restrict races, as in weight class, or HP/Weight class, I don't believe that you believe they were intended to stop hacking, I believe you are using that as a base to support your hacking and how it is "ok" to do it.
You are making assumptions you cannot prove. Unless you have proof from PD your guess is as good as mine. It's a moot point anyway. The restrictions are there, they are effective, end of story.
 
Read again, There can be legit cars running under PP range, and limiting 10% extra to fit in room and you still got LONG HP PEAK for that car, if others are going 551hp between 6200-6250rpm and on 5000rpm they got 470hp, then there is guy with hacked car what have constant 540hp from 5000rpm to 7000rpm.

And ? Does that mean this guy will have clear advantage because engine power curve ? We have this kind of differences even with legit non hacked cars, some drivers might use different power adder parts than you, there are many combination to reach 551HP and 503 PP, someone might use intake tuning, while others use engine tuning part, each of these alone will alter the power/torque curve, often with different redline and power limiter figure.

And if the gearing is not optimized for the engine, the constant flat power curve is useless. Also it's better to have flat torque curve in the higher rpm range than HP, torque = better acceleration.
 
But they can be used as such, so that's irrelevant as a counter argument against how they are a way to do so.


Your argument amounts to "I don't want to do it because I shouldn't have to." Tell me what else that could be called. Circular reasoning, maybe?


So don't use them as if they are the same.


Show me the misrepresentation, please.

nearly everything you said was a misrepresentation.
"I disagree with you on a subject, so I'm going to limit my access to something that will help me with the game simply because of its mere association with you even though my actions will not affect you whatsoever."

:lol:


inb4 "misrepresenting"


Again you do it, total Strawman. You take a direct quote, then misrepresent it in a fashion to win your own argument. It has nothing to do with his stance on the subject at all. You concocted that part in your own mind, then threw it all up in words. It has everything to do with going online with hacked cars and racing without the other competitors being any the wiser, that is where my problem stands.

Now that I spelt it out for you in plain english, I want to see how you twist it.
 
Simple. PP restrictions. That car that has the extra power and then limited will have more PP than the cars that follow the regs. If the legit cars are 503pp 1207kg 551hp then someone using the power limiter from say 600 to 551 hp will have more than 503PP and won't be able to get into the pits.

EDIT: Tree'd by @Ridox2JZGTE :cheers:

How simple is your logic?
That is not avoiding any of hacked cars.
Legit MAXIMUM PP is 503PP, not saying at everyone are on 503.
 
Read again, There can be legit cars running under PP range, and limiting 10% extra to fit in room and you still got LONG HP PEAK for that car, if others are going 551hp between 6200-6250rpm and on 5000rpm they got 470hp, then there is guy with hacked car what have constant 540hp from 5000rpm to 7000rpm.

You can't just pull numbers out of the air to support your case. Unless you have actual figures it's just more "chicken little syndrome". The sky isn't falling.

How simple is your logic?
That is not avoiding any of hacked cars.
Legit MAXIMUM PP is 503PP, not saying at everyone are on 503.

See above ^^^^
 
I do NOT need to change the way I play, the hackers need to be banned.
Let's spitball here for a second, and assume PD comes up with a system for dealing with it this time besides banning people (you know, that thing they didn't really do for GT5 except for the people screwing around with the Secret Menu), besides taking away the ability to backup save games (that other thing people were calling for that they didn't do for GT5), and besides giving you more comprehensive online room options (something... they didn't do for GT5). Let's say that they throw up their hands at trying to stop it and just set the game to run a car integrity check for when you go online (something they obviously already have implemented in a lesser form, since that is how they filter no-tuning options). What then?


nearly everything you said was a misrepresentation.
Right. That doesn't actually mean anything. Sorry.


Again you do it, total Strawman. You take a direct quote, then misrepresent it in a fashion to win your own argument. It has nothing to do with his stance on the subject at all. You concocted that part in your own mind, then threw it all up in words.
You just said in response to one of Johnnypenso's posts, and I quote again:
I just lost all respect for you, I actually used your tunes, not anymore sorry.

Tell me, in plain English that you so love referring to, what exactly that is supposed to mean in relation to this discussion. Then tell me, in plain English, what organizing a one man boycott of car tunes is supposed to accomplish besides problems for yourself. Then tell me, in plain English again, who really is supposed to give a damn that you're not going to use the tuning setups of a prominent car tuner because of one of his personal opinions on a topic unrelated to car tuning.
 
And ? Does that mean this guy will have clear advantage because engine power curve ? We have this kind of differences even with legit non hacked cars, some drivers might use different power adder parts than you, there are many combination to reach 551HP and 503 PP, someone might use intake tuning, while others use engine tuning part, each of these alone will alter the power/torque curve, often with different redline and power limiter figure.

And if the gearing is not optimized for the engine, the constant flat power curve is useless. Also it's better to have flat torque curve in the higher rpm range than HP, torque = better acceleration.
Yea right, everyone who are on fair play can put all parts in and then get that 503PP, but no one on legit car can alter power curve to look even close to that what guy with hacked car can do.
You can't just pull numbers out of the air to support your case. Unless you have actual figures it's just more "chicken little syndrome". The sky isn't falling.

You can't be so blind? You are bluffing or just...
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Let's spitball here for a second, and assume PD comes up with a system for dealing with it this time besides banning people (you know, that thing they didn't really do for GT5 except for the people screwing around with the Secret Menu), besides taking away the ability to backup save games (that other thing people were calling for that they didn't do for GT5), and besides giving you more comprehensive online room options (something... they didn't do for GT5). Let's say that they throw up their hands at trying to stop it and just set the game to run a car integrity check for when you go online (something they obviously already have implemented in a lesser form, since that is how they filter no-tuning options). What then?



Right. That doesn't actually mean anything. Sorry.



You just said in response to one of Johnnypenso's posts, and I quote again:


Tell me, in plain English that you so love referring to, what exactly that is supposed to mean. Then tell me, in plain English again, who really is supposed to give a damn that you're not going to use the tuning setups of a prominent car tuner because of one of his opinions on an unrelated topic.


Oh wow, again you do it, take part of a quote and misrepresent it to win an argument, are you really this much of an ignoramus? No where did I say I cared what he thought and if he gives a "damn", you are the one saying making that stuff up, from where? I have no idea...

If you actually stopped taking quotes, then using them in a fashion that is a total misrepresentation of the original meaning, then add extra words to it that were not even said and were all assumptions from your own mind, you might be able to carry a proper discussion. Until then you are really just making yourself look like a fool.
 
Yea right, everyone who are on fair play can put all parts in and then get that 503PP, but no one on legit car can alter power curve to look even close to that what guy with hacked car can do.
It doesn't work that way. If you alter the power curve with the engine limiter enough to gain any advantage, PP will rise. So to make regs you must either reduce power further with the engine limiter or remove parts. Again, this is just a made up example. Unless you have some proof with real figures of some advantage gained on the track it's just smoke and mirrors.
 
There's no avoiding of hybrids, what we can do is to make sure the room participant adheres to the rules set, set the rules properly, there's should be no problem like in GT5 inferior room rules. If there's bad apple causing trouble, there's the KIK button :lol:

Yea right, everyone who are on fair play can put all parts in and then get that 503PP, but no one on legit car can alter power curve to look even close to that what guy with hacked car can do.

Just like you can't have someone else perfect suspension and LSD setup in the room .... please tell me how a different "better" power curve with less HP figure can give clear advantage in a race ? Want a real fair play, run tune prohibited room, no variables but driver skills.
 
Have fun with your head in the sand while the rest of us deal with reality. You complaining about it will solve nothing and the regular racers in your group will potentially suffer from your unwillingness to take action if that's the path you follow.


No problem :cheers: I've never made it a secret that I used hybrids in both hybrid lobbies and regular lobbies in GT5 because I have nothing to hide. I never gained any performance advantage from it and freely shared any cars I made with anyone that wanted them. I simply used the hybriding tools to make crappy uncompetitive cars, more competitive against the better cars in the game. If that's cheating to you then so be it:tup:.
Yes we know your story and we know how you cheat. I would love for my Stratos to handle well, it is fast, but it handles like crap.


Wow hack on a new chasis! so fair

Disgusting.

Don't bother coming into my room.
 
Yes we know your story and we know how you cheat. I would love for my Stratos to handle well, it is fast, but it handles like crap.

Wow hack on a new chasis! so fair

Disgusting.

Don't bother coming into my room.
We got us a keyboard warrior here:lol:
 
It doesn't work that way. If you alter the power curve with the engine limiter enough to gain any advantage, PP will rise. So to make regs you must either reduce power further with the engine limiter or remove parts. Again, this is just a made up example. Unless you have some proof with real figures of some advantage gained on the track it's just smoke and mirrors.
Normally I have used to deal with persons who understand speech and can also understand something from text what they read, but I can make pictures for you, first I'll take a ten hour nap and then i'll do a barbwire version pictures for you.
 
No where did I say I cared what he thought and if he gives a "damn", you are the one saying making that stuff up, from where? I have no idea...
So here's another question, though by this point I'm sure you'll fail to answer it as well as you did the challenge to your apparent legal degree: If you don't care what he thinks about you boycotting his tunes because of something unrelated to his tuning ability, what was the point of even saying it?
Because if he's not supposed to care that you went out of your way to say how you lost respect for him and and as a result will not use his tunes (still not sure the relation, but okay), and you don't care that he doesn't care about that, the only remaining explanation I can see (and forgive me if I'm "misrepresenting" again) is that you're typed those words for the sake of typing words rather than an actual attempt at conveying a message with them.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back