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I feel GT6 will be a disappointment.
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I said I'm ignoring them. But one of the more enlightened members has just given you a good hint.
I only make posts about GT here. All things GT. So no need for a non-mod like you to tell me to "go off and enjoy my Forza". If you only want to hear positive things, or choose which members can post what, I said to create your own fan club. I was just returning you the favor giving free but useless advice - I don't really expect you or want you to go and do it.
I might be a huge fan of GT1, and like to voice my frustration on the direction Kaz is going on your fan club web site.
And then you can keep me from doing so.
Of course you would miss out on some of the info. Like the path selector / course maker I mentioned in a previous post and which was immediately jumped on as blasphemy.
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The best thing that can happen is PCars gets really popular, once PD has some competition they wont get away with .5 versions of GT anymore.
I do believe it will be GT5.5 but Having said that, im ready to be pleasantly surprised, just dont get your hopes up, this way you cant get let down.
I do believe it will be GT5.5 but Having said that, im ready to be pleasantly surprised, just dont get your hopes up, this way you cant get let down.
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I thought GT would have gotten the wake up call with GT5 and how it was received.
Gran Turismo to me is = to Iphone right now at first it's great Iphone 1-4 were good then 4 began the fall.
So in a way Gran Turismo needs an Android, and even then they still won't understand.
I actually want GT6 to be great because I was a huge fan of GT3 and 4 it was one of the first games to truly introduce me into what certain car companies and some of them I love to this day thanks to GT3 and GT4.
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I like this quote.
Yes, I see how bad the AI is, I see how bad most of the engine sounds are like, I see how bad shadow effects are during day/night transitions, among things. Am I expecting GT6 to be the blockbuster racing game of all time? No, its going to be what it is, and I'm most likely going to play it anyway.
My initial impressions are positive, but I'm expecting things to change, as they always do. I want to point out that I'm glad this is coming out for the PS3 and not the PS4. I could explain why this is, but I'm not as I'm not too good trying to explain to some of you why, as it is a poor reason why it is.
I'll leave by saying you guys / girls can say what you want about it, but unlike some, I'm going to keep an open mind about it, as its still too early to judge something that is being developed as we speak.
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I'll tell you like this a game can have flaws, but when they start piling up like what happened with GT5 that's the main issue.
Honestly I should go deeper when a game basic things are out of whack that's when the deeper flaws become more annoying.
For example if I played NBA 2K11(I haven't played NBA 2K13 yet) And the Association/Career Mode and Gameplay aren't that great I began to see deeper flaws more easily.
Translate that to GT5 and the Career mode for it is pretty bad, or to many is mediocre.
When playing a Racing Game the number of events is #1 on most people lists even if it's open world/point to point(Example MC:LA(OpenWorld) and NFS:Hot Pursuit(Point to Point/Open World)
A.I is second if the game doesn't have a realisitc challenge for me to fight for the finish it's no fun PERIOD!
These two place right here are where the failed I guarantee had they had as many events as GT3 or even GT4 and competitive A.I I'm not saying it would be the best GT, but a lot of problems wouldn't be focused on so much.
Kaz states that the GT series is first and foremost a driving simulator, basically the racing aspect (fun bit) comes 2nd or possibly 3rd after photo mode. This is shown by the poor choice of offline races in GT5 and the dull and unadventurous AI. This needs to change in GT6, I have a feeling it won't.
A lot of aspects of racing are missing, challenging AI, offline custom races, qualifying, fastest lap, offline grid starts etc.
But if it is a driving sim then why are the gear changes modelled so poorly, just watching vids of GT6 you can see the gear changes are exactly the same as GT5 no effect to the car other than less revs on the counter, a gear change in a car is part of the thrill, it's where you get the kicks of power, there is no drama shown in GT. GT5's changes are all sequential shifts no matter what you're driving but without any noticeable effect on performance. Plus what makes it worse is that you can quickly shift from 6th to 1st at 300km/h without a hiccup.
The engine sound is so pathetic in GT5, one of the worst has got to be the BMW M3 it's diabolical, it sounds like you're driving a go kart. So many things going on which make the driving experience feel less desperately need to be addressed in GT6.
Sadly this seems to me to be Kaz's version of COD, just keep churning out the same old, same old because the masses will buy it. No need to change the focus or consider what makes other driving sims so popular because GT rules. It did, but for me its hat started slipping back in GT4, looking prettier but getting duller and more wooden with each version.
I bought a PS3 solely for GT5, even though I have a large library of games for it GT5 is the only thing i'll play on the PS3. Sadly my PS3 is gathering dust as I get more kicks out of Forza 4 and rFactor. Everytime I try GT5 it doesn't fail to disappoint and I have to immediately resort to the personal faves.
Please Kaz amongst many of my wishes make an entertaining sim that's not purely focused on the online world.
A lot of aspects of racing are missing, challenging AI, offline custom races, qualifying, fastest lap, offline grid starts etc.
But if it is a driving sim then why are the gear changes modelled so poorly, just watching vids of GT6 you can see the gear changes are exactly the same as GT5 no effect to the car other than less revs on the counter, a gear change in a car is part of the thrill, it's where you get the kicks of power, there is no drama shown in GT. GT5's changes are all sequential shifts no matter what you're driving but without any noticeable effect on performance. Plus what makes it worse is that you can quickly shift from 6th to 1st at 300km/h without a hiccup.
The engine sound is so pathetic in GT5, one of the worst has got to be the BMW M3 it's diabolical, it sounds like you're driving a go kart. So many things going on which make the driving experience feel less desperately need to be addressed in GT6.
Sadly this seems to me to be Kaz's version of COD, just keep churning out the same old, same old because the masses will buy it. No need to change the focus or consider what makes other driving sims so popular because GT rules. It did, but for me its hat started slipping back in GT4, looking prettier but getting duller and more wooden with each version.
I bought a PS3 solely for GT5, even though I have a large library of games for it GT5 is the only thing i'll play on the PS3. Sadly my PS3 is gathering dust as I get more kicks out of Forza 4 and rFactor. Everytime I try GT5 it doesn't fail to disappoint and I have to immediately resort to the personal faves.
Please Kaz amongst many of my wishes make an entertaining sim that's not purely focused on the online world.
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Calm down bic boi (You'd get it if you watched OwnagePranks). So far, they have improved, but they are still working. I agree GT5 has horrid car sounds, but Kaz has stated that he is working on recording the sounds. He said this when he was doing this for the Hyundais. The height of the S15 on GT5 is not level/low enough, too.
I hope they work on that, or at least the lowering since the rear is sticking up a lot. Kaz is working as hard as he can and is wasting years of his life on this series. I respect that. I think he has revolutionized racing games and set a great example for other new racing games like Drive Club.
I hope they work on that, or at least the lowering since the rear is sticking up a lot. Kaz is working as hard as he can and is wasting years of his life on this series. I respect that. I think he has revolutionized racing games and set a great example for other new racing games like Drive Club.
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Really??? I honestly do not care much for the number of events on offline play, in fact if there are to many then that is a bit of a turn off to me in a modern game. I loved that there were many long races in GT4 but that was a single player game and as such that is the way it needed to be but today racing games work over the internet so you can race with real people and if you get a good group to race with is 1000x better than any AI based single player mode.
Of the players I know personally [ about 50 or so] only 1 even brothers with career mode on Forza 3 and 4, Instead they race in online races and hot lap to improve times on leaderboards. The ones who played GT5 completed up to the longer endurance races and stopped playing GT5 and went back to Forza 3 where they could actually record their hard earned times on the leaderboards. In both cases what they are really interested in is online racing with real people and leaderboards to compare their lap times and/or race times with friends and the rest of the world.
Poor examples, I would not even bother to play either game. I want good physics, real world tracks and good clean multiplayer racing. I don't want open world, don't want traffic and surely don't want to play out run the cops on the streets. Once upon a time I would have thought those were cool but that would have been before I played a real racing game.
That's where real people come in. I have never saw any game where the AI was much of a challenge once you had played it a bit. Humans on the other hand learn, behave in unpredictable ways and are very competitive.
For me the biggest way that GT failed was no leaderboards which reduced the re playability by a large amount for both myself and my friends and likely anyone who enjoyed playing Forza 2 or 3. The A-Spec races were to easy by far due to lack of restrictions, no damage and no tire wear. You could literally run racing softs in pretty much every race without issue.
Online interface and lobbies needed more features and options.
So bottom line is 10-15 years ago single player events and AI would have been 2 of the top things for most players but not anymore. Today the #1 Physics and #2 online play
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Online is overrated if the way it works isn't good. That's how I feel about GT5. I shouldn't have to find a group of people on the Internet to race with in order to have a good time. I did participate in two leagues, and while it was cool, again, I shouldn't have to do this to have fun. We need a matchmaking system like in GT5P so people who actually want to race can do so. Open Lobby by itself is not cutting it. The poor single player made things worse, so it was only matter of time before I dropped GT5 completely. Once GT6 was announced, there was no reason to have GT5's game data taking up my PS3's hard drive space, when (hopefully) a better game was coming soon.
Two of my biggest hopes for GT6 is that online and offline portions are given an overhaul and will be much better thought out. Some of us do enjoy both modes, if they're done right.
Two of my biggest hopes for GT6 is that online and offline portions are given an overhaul and will be much better thought out. Some of us do enjoy both modes, if they're done right.
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They've had 15 years and 6 game releases to work on the sounds and other than on a handful of cars, they sound like crap. Other franchises have come along and done much better work on car sounds. At some point we have to realize it's just not a high priority for PD and may never be which is sad. The GT series has the potential to blow everything else into the weeds in every aspect of driving/racing simulation, I believe the resources are there to do so and have been for some time. Look at what iRacing has done with just a sliver of the funding that GT has. Look at what PCars has done with a hairs worth of the funding available to GT.
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But that was not a personal attack against anyone specific, so I still see no hypocracy there...the point was after all concerning Koibooi's personal attack.
You seem to have missed the point I made earlier, but no matter, we clearly aren't going to see eye to eye on anything discussed so far...therefore I'm done.
Een prettige dag verder.
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On your second quote you're actually miss quoting what I'm saying.
When I used MC:LA and NFS Hot Pursuit I'm just classifying what they are not that they have long career modes/events. As far as you not wanting to race on the streets/through traffic well others do, and honestly MC:LA did interiors better than GT5, and personally speaking both NFS:2010(Hot Pursuit) and MC:LA were better in terms of fun/gameplay then GT5 ever could have been.
As for your first part I would believe people would like a long career mode, and I should add not the 5 laps every event type thing. Honestly that's what I liked GT3 I remember once you left the 1st tier the number of laps began to differ with each event even if it was in the same one.
If Physics and online play are top 2 then why in the world is everyone complaining apparently the physics for GT5 are almost bar none the best that's all I had been hearing.
Last No leaderboards is by far not the reason GT failed honestly if I can help it GT5 shouldn't have even had online play in fact it's always been said Online modes detract from Single Player experience and I know it works in vice versa.
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For me was already dissapointing that the gameplay machanics still havent changed. It's nice that phsycis and graphics envolve. But why still those horrible camera angles. Why can't you rotate your camera around the car or why are there such incredably high detailed premium cockpits if you can't even look up and down. Those are turn off's for me. Because this way the cars could also be less detailed in gameplay. Can't enjoy them anyways if a standart car makes almost the same outcome. Since I only see the back and front.
Replay is another thing. There it makes more sense.
Replay is another thing. There it makes more sense.
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It looks like they took everything bad about GT5 and made it better, im looking forward to this game, I prefer it more than Forza 5 (which is exactly the same as 4 apart from the environments and graphics) at this point
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This represents my toughts on the matter perfectly 👍 . I also switched to FM4 so i don't have to depend on PD anymore to finally deliver what i want in a car- racing sim.. , now that i don't want to depend on microsoft's Big Brother Box-one neither; PCARS on PS3 or 4 is what i am looking forward for as my next passion).
PD give me the impression they don't want to listen and learn, they keep on doing their own thing regardless of the criticism as there are fanboys enough to buy whatever they bring out... 👎
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Some people just want to watch the world burn don't they? lol.
Very few people have got a taste of the game relative to it's following, so I think it's fair to say that those of us who haven't should suspend our judgement.
Very few people have got a taste of the game relative to it's following, so I think it's fair to say that those of us who haven't should suspend our judgement.
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Oh really? I honestly like how you say this when theres a "certain company" that's doing the same thing, which they gave me that same impression they don't care what their fans say. Stop making it seem like it's only PD not listening to their fans, when other companies are doing the exact same thing, seriously... 👎
Where did he even make the slight insinuation PD were the only company in that position? You do know "Yeah, well X company are even worse!" is not a valid defense of Y company, right?
That's like saying "Well the US president might be bad but the president of North Korea is worse so your opinion on the US president is invalid".
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I wouldn't claim they are the only ones either but as I say it's irrelevant if you're going to try and make a rebuttal to his opinion.
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That plus A.I if these 3 things are top notch the other stuff wouldn't have been so bad/forgiven.
I might be wrong, but you wouldn't have so many threads on livery, shadows, crowds, course creator, WRC, Nascar, Damage, etc etc.
Because what would have happened is people will feel like well it's a start and GT5 wouldn't have been badly received as it was currently.
