I feel GT6 will be a disappointment.

The reason I'm excited for GT6 is mostly for its updated course maker (something that I love in racing games).
Apparently it will just allow you to define a path on predefined roads in a predefined location (such as Ronda in Spain). I wouldn't call it a course maker, rather a path selector.
 
Apparently it will just allow you to define a path on predefined roads in a predefined location (such as Ronda in Spain). I wouldn't call it a course maker, rather a path selector.

How do you know this exactly ? Have you played GT6 ?
 
Apparently it will just allow you to define a path on predefined roads in a predefined location (such as Ronda in Spain). I wouldn't call it a course maker, rather a path selector.

And how do you know this? :irked: Are you implying it'll be like GT5's course maker?
 
I don't understand why so many people seem to make a big deal about livery editor. I wonder if these people liked GT4? I mean after all you could not even change the color of the car in GT4. I was happy enough just to be able to change the yellow and puke green cars to a different color. A livery editor would be nice but would in no way effect my decision to buy or play the game.

As for being disappointed, that is always possible with any game but at least it does not require a new console.
 
GT4 was no disappointment to me, GT5 wasnt overrated with many not so excellent review scores and GT6 does look like a much better GT5.

We also havent played it, I can't wait for tuesday.

I clearly don't share your point.

I don't know what you hope to learn from the demo on Tuesday. It doesn't tell us anything other then the driving model for GT6. That was never the issue in GT5, it was everything else about GT5 that was awful.

I don't understand why so many people seem to make a big deal about livery editor. I wonder if these people liked GT4? I mean after all you could not even change the color of the car in GT4. I was happy enough just to be able to change the yellow and puke green cars to a different color. A livery editor would be nice but would in no way effect my decision to buy or play the game.

As for being disappointed, that is always possible with any game but at least it does not require a new console.

Another example of the GT diehards that just don't get it... the livery editor in Forza added a ton of personality to the game and gave you a lot of freedom. The ability to make your cars your own and show them off in online races was one of the coolest features. People made their own custom racing team liveries for the friends they played with and everything. How many real world races do you see where the cars do not have liveries on them?

Simple,he dosen't know.Why? Because he hasn't played GT6 in it's entirety.

It's as if all of that information Polyphony Digital has released so far about GT6 passed right over your head or something. That or you are just selectively pretending the things you don't like don't actually exist. This seems to be a trend with this website. Lots of people did here with GT5 too.
 
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I don't understand why so many people seem to make a big deal about livery editor. I wonder if these people liked GT4? I mean after all you could not even change the color of the car in GT4. I was happy enough just to be able to change the yellow and puke green cars to a different color. A livery editor would be nice but would in no way effect my decision to buy or play the game.

As for being disappointed, that is always possible with any game but at least it does not require a new console.

But if there was a livery editor, people shouldn't expect it to be like Forza's livery editor because I'm sure it won't.
 
I don't understand why so many people seem to make a big deal about livery editor.
For one thing it's part of racing. You don't often see a field of the same car over and over again. It's a pretty logical component of a realistic racing game.

As for being disappointed, that is always possible with any game but at least it does not require a new console.

That's one of the disappointing aspects, though it seems there is a small chance PD might fix this.

But if there was a livery editor, people shouldn't expect it to be like Forza's livery editor because I'm sure it won't.
There is so much room to improve Forza's livery editor that it's not unrealistic to want something better.
 
I think that the new physics engine will be good fun but may get samey and boring after a while. Although I'm really looking forward to doing lap after lap of Silverstone's many configs since I live near there and go there at least once a year. It could be good fun or, it could be a complete waste of money. Only time will tell.
 
There is so much room to improve Forza's livery editor that it's not unrealistic to want something better.

True. Like adding decals on your car's windshield, and even designing your plates. Maybe those things added can beat Forza's livery editor.
 
There is so much room to improve Forza's livery editor that it's not unrealistic to want something better.

Even a livery editor and painting options half as good as we currently have in FM4, would be a milestone achievement for GT. But i predict that won't even happen knowing PD and their objectives...
 
I don't understand why so many people seem to make a big deal about livery editor. I wonder if these people liked GT4? I mean after all you could not even change the color of the car in GT4. I was happy enough just to be able to change the yellow and puke green cars to a different color. A livery editor would be nice but would in no way effect my decision to buy or play the game.

As for being disappointed, that is always possible with any game but at least it does not require a new console.

Not sure why you're bringing up GT4. Games are capable of doing more than they were back then, so people expect more options. Is it so wrong for us to want to make our cars look the way we want them to? If PD can't give us a full livery editor in GT6, the least they can do is give a number of pre-made livery designs similar to the RMs or something that we can apply to our cars. If PD can't give us a true livery editor in GT7 on the PS4, I'm just going to conclude that they don't give a 🤬 about letting players have individuality.
 
...instead PD are creating invisible walls and making tracks look dead and empty...PD can fix this even in GT6 on ps3, just get rid of those walls...
Already looks like they have. See the vids of Willow Springs where folks have been going off track without hitting those old invisible walls - they just get a track reset.

I was thinking about the PS4...
Okay then, PS4 would be far more capable.

As PD were hoping to bring something like this to GT5 maybe it will return in GT7. Though I doubt it will be that massive as an open world map will still take a phenomenal amount of work to create, even for a small city. DriveClub isn't going to be open world, just lots of point-to-point road sections. I think PD would need to create a game separate from the GT series to do a workable open world, but that would depend if such is really interesting to them.

These are the Tokoturismos, the group of people that think or hope it will be in there because Kaz hasn't said it will not, or because Kaz is such a great guy. The "whiners" you're referring to think one would expect something like a livery editor in a racing game in 2014, but don't expect it from Kaz. Weird that you give this example as an "all crazy" thing. If you think a livery editor is all crazy, I can understand that you're happy with whatever you're fed. As you gave me advice on which game to play, let me give you some advice in return: don't confuse this forum with a fan club. So go and create a fan club then, and don't allow me to become a member.
Just unbelieveable...and I think you are missing the point completely. I'm also still waiting for some enlightenment as to where I was apparently being hypocritical...

As for your suggestion...why would I start a fan site for GT - especially after what I said? Just look at the viewing numbers on this site. GT gets the most interest, that's not to say that other games are not liked or discussed here, but those are relatively minor in comparison. The site also announces itself as the place for "all things GT" which pretty much makes it the fan club - I therefore have all of the info I need right here.

Outside of all of that, why would you ask to join any fan site I create? That bit has me completely mystified...
 
-60.00 in the bank is the only guaranty.

The only disappointment so far is the exchange rate used by Sony: $1=€1=10SEK

The real exchange rate is $1=€0.77=6.70SEK, so as the retail price in Sweden is 600SEK, in essence the game is 50% more expensive here than in the USA.
 
Stuff in USA is always cheaper than Europe. Games should be like $30 that way more people will buy them and more profit will be made, more popularity. I think in the future games wil be cheaper, and DLCs will cost about $10 each, this is better for gamers.

If Europeans that have good salaries think 60 Euros is a lot what about russian gamers that have wages like 300-400 Euros a month. The place where I live most people get about 200-300 Euros payed. Try and live with that and game. :(
 
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Stuff in USA is always cheaper than Europe. Games should be like $30 that way more people will buy them and more profit will be made, more popularity. I think in the future games wil be cheaper, and DLCs will cost about $10 each, this is better for gamers.

If anything, games could get more expensive. Maybe for DLCs, though. I'm sure a lot more people would be able to buy the game. The economy isn't so good hear, but it is getting better slowly. Lets hope that happens. I would like to spend 90$ instead of 180$ on three games.
 
Stuff in USA is always cheaper than Europe. Games should be like $30 that way more people will buy them and more profit will be made, more popularity. I think in the future games wil be cheaper, and DLCs will cost about $10 each, this is better for gamers.

I suppose so. But even then, exchanging 1€ to 10SEK means that the game will be almost 20% more expensive in Sweden than in the Euro zone. Might not be Sony who did that exchange though, perhaps it's done by the retailer.
 
So, are you saying the PS4 doesn't have good games?

So far, not a single one I'd care about, but that wasn't what I was getting at. Not at all.
It doesn't matter what we think. PD will not make any significant progress until they see that the sales have dropped big.
I do think you're right. It's something that a lot of successful franchises could be accused of that, I'd say. You could probably call it complacency... In GT's case, I'd think that, for example, PD aren't going to rework the sound for most of the cars or replace the standard cars unless they feel they have to. As long as they can get away (in terms of sales) with promising they would do so, they'll do that.
Sorry but I'm not a big fan of tire widths and sizes, but since you are, okay. Also, I wouldn't be so confident in Forza 5 though, it looks to be the same FM4 with better graphics and drivatar (even with open-wheels), but that's my opinion. It has no night racing, no weather, and even no pit strategy AGAIN, but it was already said by Dan he doesn't care what the fans say, he believes his game is better than PC sims and all racing games anyway...

The reason I'm excited for GT6 is mostly for its updated course maker (something that I love in racing games).
Not to derail this thread too much, but both Forza and GT have their issues. And both franchises seemingly start to suffer from the complacency I mentioned earlier.
I don't understand why so many people seem to make a big deal about livery editor. I wonder if these people liked GT4? I mean after all you could not even change the color of the car in GT4.
And neither did GT4 offer a cockpit view. It's been released 9 years ago, so these comparisons are kinda mood, aren't they? I mean, if you took a look at contemporary games, it does indeed seem to be a rather basic feature. Okay, not one I personally need desperately. I've always been okay with just painting my car in whatever colour I felt like (and maybe add some decals like a starting number or whatever).
 
...but then again when I think a game is bad, it's good CoD 4 is a perfect example.
Thus proving that taste is relative :sly:

The only disappointment so far is the exchange rate used by Sony: $1=€1=10SEK

The real exchange rate is $1=€0.77=6.70SEK, so as the retail price in Sweden is 600SEK, in essence the game is 50% more expensive here than in the USA.
That is pretty bad. I know the global economy makers have been wanting to get the Euro to be equivalent to the dollar, but as people pay quite often via direct debit, it should make absolutely no difference if something is 41.63 instead of a nice round sum like 50.

I understand that the prices need to compensate for fluctuations on the exchange rate, but I know quite a few online retailers will quote a price now and then charge less at the time of shipping if the price has dropped.

Perhaps that is the cushion under the system? AU and NZ have been charged way over the odds for a long time, but that's the retailers.

Also wages for different countries are completely irrelevant when it comes down to it, as the cost of living in many is pretty ridiculous. The USA is getting more expensive with their accommodation costs rising, but for decades most of Europe has had a rapidly rising cost of living and greater taxation than many other places.

Always been a bugbear of mine - in the UK we pay a number of taxes that started life as a levvy so that a king could go off and fight a war. That war is long since done and dusted, yet that tax still exists.
 
If your a fan of sim racing and or a fan of GT why wouldn't you get it.

Maybe some of the things GT6 may have I will not be in favor of. If I don't see enough change (which there probably will be), I simply won't buy it. I might get the other car game that is coming out (I forgot the name of it). It seemed to have amazing car sounds, too.
 
I suppose so. But even then, exchanging 1€ to 10SEK means that the game will be almost 20% more expensive in Sweden than in the Euro zone. Might not be Sony who did that exchange though, perhaps it's done by the retailer.
Well, if you compare US prices with swedish prices then you must take the 25% sales tax of sweden into account. It still would be more expensive, but not by that much.

Without sales tax the swedish price is 480SEK. That's a 1:8 ratio, which isn't too far away from 1:6.7.
Additionally the games are often produced (not talking about development) in the the respective regions or ones which aren't too far away, which often suffers from slightly higher production costs. That method is normally still better than paying CCT and VAT taxes though.
 
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