I feel GT6 will be a disappointment.

I won't be disappointed in GT6 as long as:

- B-Spec goes back to being just an option like in GT4
- I get to race modify as many cars as I was able to in GT2
- I get the 100's of manufacture races that I enjoyed doing so much in GT2, GT3, and GT4
- I get to finally be able to adjust camber of each wheel individually
- the brake balance controller goes back to being a purchasable upgrade
- they never again force me to use any driving aid that I do not authorize to be on any vehicles in my garage, like SRF, enough said. Also Active Stability Management, putting those together in that order makes them words of curse that I find very offensive. (They can change the name of it to what ever they want but if it has anything to do with applying brakes during corners when I don't want it to I'm offended)

If at least one of these things I mentioned happens in GT6 (and I don't think its to much to ask) I won't really have a problem with it. As to why only at least one thing is I'm easily swayed by cool cars
 
I won't be disappointed in GT6 as long as:

- B-Spec goes back to being just an option like in GT4
- I get to race modify as many cars as I was able to in GT2
- I get the 100's of manufacture races that I enjoyed doing so much in GT2, GT3, and GT4
- I get to finally be able to adjust camber of each wheel individually
- the brake balance controller goes back to being a purchasable upgrade
- they never again force me to use any driving aid that I do not authorize to be on any vehicles in my garage, like SRF, enough said. Also Active Stability Management, putting those together in that order makes them words of curse that I find very offensive. (They can change the name of it to what ever they want but if it has anything to do with applying brakes during corners when I don't want it to I'm offended)

If at least one of these things I mentioned happens in GT6 (and I don't think its to much to ask) I won't really have a problem with it. As to why only at least one thing is I'm easily swayed by cool cars
Only the second is stretching It.
 
I do agree. Pre-GT5, even with some of the weird information that came out, everyone was very hopeful for a game like GT4 with some of the cool things from GT5P mixed in. GT4 and GT5P were both very good for their time.

In that situation, I think everyone wanted to believe the best. That PD would come through and GT5 would be great.

On the other hand, GT5 was not at all what a lot of people were expecting. It's a decent enough game, but it's not what it was advertised to be, nor is it up to the standard of the games that came before it.

In this situation, a lot of people feel burned by the misinformation and outright lies that came prior to GT5s release. There's a non-trivial amount of people that are very reluctant to trust any information that PD puts out that isn't in playable form.

There was a discussion a while after GT5 came out about how it's reception would affect GT6. I think that GT6 will still sell well regardless, but the fact that this negative perception exists prior to release means that if they stuff this one up it really could damage the brand in a significant way.

GT6 needs to be over and above expectations.

Unfortunately, it's sort of looking a bit like more of the same. Physics are likely to be good, but given what other companies have been doing of late they're unlikely to be revolutionary. And it sounds like a lot of the same stuff that people have been criticising in GT for years still remains. We're yet to see any improvement in sounds or AI. We don't know how improved standard cars will be, if at all. Frame rate problems still exist in the demos. Statements from Kaz that he doesn't consider online important.

I hope they pull one out of the bag. I'm not holding my breath though.

I agree with you, and I too am not holding my breath. The fact that it will be playable on PS3 makes it easier for me as I intend to get an XBOX1 for forza5 (which seems to hold a fair amount of promise), I am interested to see what Drive Club and Project Cars will offer once they are out. In the meantime, I hope for the best for GT^.
 
If they go back to the GT4 format of qualifying, B-spec mode sharing races as well as speeding them up. All the PS3 bugs should be ironed out Ive got no doubts It will be a winner.
 
Yeah they are struggling. They're trying to cram as much graphically demanding rendering as they can, in a console that isn't made for it. So yeah, that's struggling. Look at PC gaming; the ones that made the technology, PD is way behind, instead of forcing it to work, and spending heaps on time on it, they could IDK, improve AI, improve sound, add a livery editor, model more premium cars, have more robust online features, ETC, **** fans actually want and care about, not they're own agenda and making a automotive photo taking simulator.

Can we please have a +1 feature in this forum one day?
You mean a +2? :)

It is a punishment for picking an overpowered car. Pick another and you'll be fine.
No Multi-Class and poor AI kill it no matter what car you're in. Le Mans 24 Hour on dreamcast and PS2 portrayed that race 100x better even without multi-class.
True, and doing the 24 hours really shows you how scripted and bugged GT5's AI can be; in the latter stages of the race the same car would get stuck cruising on the track at about 20 MPH, after it came out of it's pit stops it just continued like that for the remaining hours of the race... I had to constantly avoid it time and time again when lapping it as it was that dangerous. In short AI doesn't give you a challenge at all even if you pick an underpowered car, in a endurance race where you have the time to actually race them (so not the hasty time trial- catch the rabbit formula PD loves in order to hide this fact), this becomes painfully obvious.

And still no follow up post from the OP...that says enough to me.
Man made his point.
 
And when nothing comes at GamesCom? when it's more "placeholder" sounds and little else revealed, then what? "oh just wait, it's coming i promise" yeah we heard that with GT5.

First E3.
Then the demo. Which is not a demo.
Then GamesCom.
Then wait till the final release.
Then a patch.
Then spec II.
Then GT7 on PS4.
Then GT8 because it was a new platform.

Meanwhile Kaz will rewrite the engine 3 times. Or not, depending on his mood during the interview. But he will certainly fix the sounds which are too realistic now, as soon as he figures out what sound is, it's something revolutionary but he's working on a breakthrough.
 
Three words: AI, sound, A-spec - those are the things that PD should work on, not adaptive tessellation :/
 
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Three words: AI, sound, A-spec - those are the things that PD should work on, not adaptive tessellation :/

That's a good thing. Only because the ten year old photo mode fans want wikkid gwafix but still, it's optimisation.
Physics improvements should be mandatory too. Fantastic physics turn a racing game with just a few cars and tracks into a game you play for years (if cars and racing are why you play the game in the first place).

What they're doing with gt6 is the right thing imo. If they improve the physics a lot, and at the same time improve the net code and online systems then the other stuff matters a whole lot less anyway. Ok lots of other things can be improved too, but it still would warrant purchase and appreciation by any gt fan, or any racing game fan, in fact.
 
Daytona USA have arcade physics, 3 tracks and 1 one car, wacky songs, old skool sound effects, it still plays like GOD !!! Play it every week on my PS3 :lol:
 
Daytona USA have arcade physics, 3 tracks and 1 one car, wacky songs, old skool sound effects, it still plays like GOD !!! Play it every week on my PS3

Daytona USA was the first racing game that ever got me interested and set the bar for other games at the time. There was more than 1 car though. You had I think 8 cars and 2 horses total to choose from though the cars were very close to the same they were different colors with different specs for grip, speed and accel 4 models were auto and 4 were manual. I really liked that expert track and power sliding through the corners.

I still have the original for my Sega Saturn and a copy for the PC and on Xbox 360 but the graphics are so cheesy that I can't really bring myself to play it now.

Please Kaz, just upscale GT4 to full hd and give it back to us. I miss that game so darn bad.
While GT4 was cool it was missing a very important part of what a racing game needs and that is multiplayer mode. GT4 did have a very limited lan mode but was not done very well at all.

I guess there are a lot of people who like to race the AI and either blow them away or complain about them but the real action in racing games is when you are racing with humans so no updated GT4 please, We need online multiplayer modes and leaderboards. It is not the 90s anymore ;)
 
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Gran Turismo has been disappointing since GT4, GT6 will be just as underwhelming and overrated.
GT4 was no disappointment to me, GT5 wasnt overrated with many not so excellent review scores and GT6 does look like a much better GT5.

We also havent played it, I can't wait for tuesday.

I clearly don't share your point.
 
Daytona USA was the first racing game that ever got me interested and set the bar for other games at the time. There was more than 1 car though. You had I think 8 cars and 2 horses total to choose from. I really liked that expert track and power sliding through the corners.

I still have the original for my Sega Saturn and a copy for the PC and on Xbox 360 but the graphics are so cheesy that I can't really bring myself to play it now.

The original Daytona USA Arcade that was ported to Xbox 360 and PS3 had only 1 car, also have the Arcade ROM-MAME emu.

I have the Dayton USA PC version, there are secret cars, you are right about 8 cars if not mistaken. God, it's been more than 10 years since I played the PC version - also got Daytona USA Deluxe, Sega Rally PC and Sega Rally 2 PC, Sega Touring Car, Manx TT, Virtua Fighter 1 and 2, Virtua Cop 1 and 2, yeah I am still Sega fan :D I also got Sega Rally Online for PS3.

For me, as long as it's fun, I will play it and keep playing it. I still play RR4 and RR5 from time to time as well. GT6 will never disappoint me, I like driving all GT cars on comfort tires. Everyday I spent most of the time in GT5 driving different cars on various tracks, tuning, hotlapping, those alone kept the game fun.
 
I feel like GT6 will be more of the same, but I can only hope it won't be. My advice is to wait for the full game to come out before you write it off. Read the reviews, and the full game gameplay videos instead of what is essentially a demo with a handful of tracks and cars. I know I'll end up buying the game in the end anyways. :P
 
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And still no follow up post from the OP...that says enough to me.
...Man made his point.
True, but there have been responses which counter those points, which if he was genuinely interested in discussing, means he should have responded - if only to clarify.

It doesn't seem likely after thirty hours though, so it's no more than someone shouting at the wind as far as I'm concerned - a pointless opinion thread without any true conviction.
 
And still no follow up post from the OP...that says enough to me.

No I get it.

I'm an idiot for assuming PD can improve a game with many flaws.
I'm an idiot for assuming PD can improve a game on an inferior PS3 even though they chose to release GT6 on it.
I'm an idiot for not believing in Kaz when he says "we are pushing the PS3 to the limit." Companies would never lie to us, right? 👍
I'm an idiot for "knowing" GT6 will be a disappointment even though I said "I feel it will be a disappoint" and that I "hope I am wrong". I guess the word feel has a different meaning here.
I'm an idiot for wanting GT6 to be what GT6 could be and not what GT5 could've been or GT5.5.

Sorry if I set my standards too high...or just not low enough.
 
people who wanted gt6 to be a ps3 game will now understand why others are asking for a ps4 release and will finally realize how ps3 hardware is so old and sucks
 
people who wanted gt6 to be a ps3 game will now understand why others are asking for a ps4 release and will finally realize how ps3 hardware is so old and sucks

people who wanted GT6 for the PS3 in general realize what a waste of money the PS4 is going to be until good games come out for it.
 
Hey, GT6 will be great... but I know what you all are talking about...

the only big issue I have with GT future is that again... GT series will be held back while new generation of consoles and games are coming out... GT7 will be again in development, yet again, due to new features it will take large amount of time to create it.. (I know I know... KY commented that it will come out "naturally" while we play GT6.... but I will not fool myself on this one... I think that I, you and PD understand that implementing new features (like damage, improved graphics, improved physics, improved tracks) and making a game on new platform will take at least 3 years... (I think at least 4 or 5.. I just hope it will take at least 3...)

and PD are now making GT6... damn.. I just hope PD is doing something about the PS4 or real next gen GT will be only in 2016 year.... and that's the best version of it... seems that 2017 or 2018 is more plausible.....

on the good note, I have my PS3 and g27 ready to go for GT6, and I know I'm going to love it!!!!!
just hope it will have standing starts, practice & qualify laps, no invisible walls, mature single player with realistic events...

also, talking about next gen... GT6 physics and graphics are the best I ever need!!

the only real reason for PS4 is to get in GT proper damage and alive tracks with dynamic objects... everything else we can get on ps3.. including overall great game play!!! So wait and then judge...
 
people who wanted gt6 to be a ps3 game will now understand why others are asking for a ps4 release and will finally realize how ps3 hardware is so old and sucks

Yeah still not buying it. I just want a game to play, not for whatever reason said game needs to be on PS4 and blah blah...
 
He's right. If GT6 was released on the PS4, the PS4 would have a good game. As such, your statement wouldn't make sense any more.

yeah 1 good game, your going to pay $400 plus the cost of the game to play 1 good game, this makes sense to you? ok. waiting for at least 5 good games makes sense to me
 
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That's a good thing. Only because the ten year old photo mode fans want wikkid gwafix but still, it's optimisation.
Physics improvements should be mandatory too. Fantastic physics turn a racing game with just a few cars and tracks into a game you play for years (if cars and racing are why you play the game in the first place).

What they're doing with gt6 is the right thing imo. If they improve the physics a lot, and at the same time improve the net code and online systems then the other stuff matters a whole lot less anyway. Ok lots of other things can be improved too, but it still would warrant purchase and appreciation by any gt fan, or any racing game fan, in fact.

👍 this is so true!!!! 👍


edit: im 27 and I love photomode! :) cars are beautiful!!!!!
 
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