I feel GT6 will be a disappointment.

[RandomCarGuy17]

It really depends on how you look at GT6 or what you expect from GT6 that would make it a disappointment. For me, all I really expect is some new cars, new tracks, more tracks having day to night and weather cycles, better customization, and I guess more consistent dlc.

TBH, I'm not going to look at GT6 as what people are calling "GT5.5" until I actually play the game. For now, I'm going to expect it to be like what GT2 and GT4 were. Each even numbered GT seemed to show some vast improvements over the previous title and I don't think GT6 will be any different.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

yeah 1 good game, your going to pay $400 plus the cost of the game to play 1 good game, this makes sense to you? ok. waiting for at least 5 good games makes sense to me

First, there are quite a number of people who do buy a system just for one game and in most cases, it's worth it to them. Secondly, getting a PS4 is an investment. Pretty sure there will be two GT games on PS4, just like it's been on the PS1-3. Plus, you may find something else in the future that interests you other than that first game you got the system for just to play.

 

[scrambles175]

First, there are quite a number of people who do buy a system just for one game and in most cases, it's worth it to them. Secondly, getting a PS4 is an investment. Pretty sure there will be two GT games on PS4, just like it's been on the PS1-3. Plus, you may find something else in the future that interests you other than that first game you got the system for just to play.

thats nice, have fun swaping cables around all the time until the future happends

 

[Terronium-12]

thats nice, have fun swaping cables around all the time until the future happends

Not only do you need to drop the attitude, you also need to start adhering to the AUP that you agreed to:

You will not use “textspeak” (“r”, “u”, “plz”, etc.) in your messages. Decent grammar is expected at all times, including proper usage of capital letters.

 

[05XR8]

I bought a PS3 in the USA to play GT5P(before i moved to Oz). I bought an XBOX for FM4 and another PS3 for my wife to watch Quikflix only. She doesn't want to play any disc games. She plays the demos and free games. My USA PS3 was messing up and I bought another PS3 w/GT5 Signature Edition(after moving to Oz). I bought GTA4 after I reached my first 40level. If I'm in the minority for buying one game for a system, so be it. It's a personal choice.

Thing is, I had all the games and all the systems back when PS 1 first came out through to PS2. Games I tried once then sold. I'm older and I know what appeals to me. I prefer cars over guns. Even if I reach 80yo I'll still sit in front of the screen with my one game on a console and play GT_.

 

[scrambles175]

Not only do you need to drop the attitude, you also need to start adhering to the AUP that you agreed to:

sorry, I didn't realize people where so sensitive that they couldn't handle someone having a different opinion about something. I will look into canceling my account here immediately.

 

[J-KiLLA24]

He's right. If GT6 was released on the PS4, the PS4 would have a good game. As such, your statement wouldn't make sense any more.

So, are you saying the PS4 doesn't have good games?

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Personally I am glad the game is being released for the PS3. I have already preordered it and will be happy when it arrives. If it were to be on the PS4 instead I would think it would be another year away or possibly more and I would have to know a lot more about the game before I would buy a PS4 to play it on.

I bought a PS3 in order to play GT5, I'll probably buy a PS4 to play GT7 when it is ready, there really are no other exclusives that grab my interest enough to buy a console.

As for swapping cables around? Why would you need to? The set I use has enough ports to connect everything I need to it and still has 1 or 2 left over

 

[McLOVIN5489]

Not only do you need to drop the attitude, you also need to start adhering to the AUP that you agreed to:

Someone wants to flex some muscle.

 

[Terronium-12]

I have quite a bit of muscle to flex and so many ways to flex said muscle.

Wanna continue to make a statement based on something that had absolutely nothing to do with you?

 

[Trux]

I have quite a bit of muscle to flex and so many ways to flex said muscle.

Wanna continue to make a statement based on something that had absolutely nothing to do with you?

Absolutely no need for that. Jeez, internet tough talk only makes sense to immature minds.

With power comes responsibility.
Too easy to look foolish on the net.

 

[IceMan PJN]

From what I've seen in the recent videos/gameplays, I don't see anything special at all. Very little looks to be changed from GT5. "New tire/physics model, some new tracks." Those are things that can be corrected in a 3.0 update for GT5.

Patching GT5 wouldn't make it equivalent to GT6. Even if borrowing much from GT5 and even if it seems very similar, you don't grasp the magnitude of what is different. You would need a patch that is dozens and dozens of gigabytes in size to add all the content and make all of the changes. There are new tracks, new cars, updates to old cars, removal of cars, new events, graphic updates, physics updates, et cetera. We're not looking at a copy-paste job with an extra 5% added.

Further, patching GT5 won't earn PD the tens if millions of development dollars that went into the new content. Further still, 98% of GT5 players that long ago moved on won't return for a giant patch. Further still, patches don't earn the attention and talk that a new release does. There is all this talk of the upcoming GT6 and FM5, but you would see almost none of this attention had we instead been looking at a massive patch to an outdated game.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Patching GT5 wouldn't make it equivalent to GT6. Even if borrowing much from GT5 and even if it seems very similar, you don't grasp the magnitude of what is different. You would need a patch that is dozens and dozens of gigabytes in size to add all the content and make all of the changes. There are new tracks, new cars, updates to old cars, removal of cars, new events, graphic updates, physics updates, et cetera. We're not looking at a copy-paste job with an extra 5% added.

Further, patching GT5 won't earn PD the tens if millions of development dollars that went into the new content. Further still, 98% of GT5 players that long ago moved on won't return for a giant patch. Further still, patches don't earn the attention and talk that a new release does. There is all this talk of the upcoming GT6 and FM5, but you would see almost none of this attention had we instead been looking at a massive patch to an outdated game.

This +1

 

[TheeFrogmanlego]

Man if some mod's here say the xbone has good games... the ps4 has good games...
i mean talk about triple A games.. But honestly I could care less.. The last of us will probably be better than most ps4 games for a while.. just like gt4 was better than ALOT of ps3 racing games.. Its quite stupid to think that just because the hardware's better the games are better.. may i also remind you the first wave of games on a new console's are relatively crappy. ( sony actually prepped for this so im not expecting a repeat of the earley ps2/ ps3 days..)

 

[Kobooi]

GT6 will only be a disappointment to the Tokoturismos on this website, who hope everything that Kaz didn't mention yet will be in GT6.
On other (non racing game exclusive) gaming websites I see fewer Tokoturismos than on gtplanet (which is to be expected), so overall disappointment will be rather limited.
I'm looking forward to the release, to see the Tokoturismos defend the standards, the sounds, the paint chips, the limited course editor and all the other faults from GT5 by stating how well the new physics are improved over GT5 (which is odd because for the last few years they said it was the best thing in GT5, and which will be probably buggy and get "improved" in the next 16 patches). I foresee a lot of use of the term "adaptive tessellation".
I only have time for 1 game, GT or Forza. Right now it looks like the sensible choice is a new xbox and Forza 5. Even without details on Forza 5, I know it will not contain the faults of GT5. I will await the reviews of both before buying anything, but for sure I will not go back to any game that has paint chips and no option to change wheel sizes and tire widths.

 

[MeanElf]

GT6 will only be a disappointment to the Tokoturismos on this website...

Personal attacks, really? Seems like you got burned a bit in the past fella.

If you want to voice an opinion, fine but you don't need to go the route you chose above to do that.

I reckon Toko has a fair idea what to expect from reading his posts. On the other hand, it's a number of the most vocal whiners that seem to think certain things will definitely be in GT6 despite nothing definite from PD to support that.

So why not drop the attitude and go off to enjoy your Forza, if that's what you want.

No I get it.

I'm an idiot for assuming PD can improve a game with many flaws.
I'm an idiot for assuming PD can improve a game on an inferior PS3 even though they chose to release GT6 on it.
I'm an idiot for not believing in Kaz when he says "we are pushing the PS3 to the limit." Companies would never lie to us, right? 👍
I'm an idiot for "knowing" GT6 will be a disappointment even though I said "I feel it will be a disappoint" and that I "hope I am wrong". I guess the word feel has a different meaning here.
I'm an idiot for wanting GT6 to be what GT6 could be and not what GT5 could've been or GT5.5.

Sorry if I set my standards too high...or just not low enough.

Not really the response I'd been hoping for, but it's good that you have in fact returned to support your statements - so I retract my earlier comment.

I still think you are wrong concerning the PS3 limitations. Have a look at this presentation by Mark Cerny - okay, it's over 40 minutes long but it does give a lot of surprising info about the PS3 architecture. Mark starts at 2:30: Mark Cerny - "The Road to the PS4" talk

people who wanted GT6 for the PS3 in general realize what a waste of money the PS4 is going to be until good games come out for it.

Not really as the PS4 has quite a few interesting games lined up already. Jim Ryan has siad that it has 30 PlayStation 4 exclusives in development, 20 of which will arrive in the console’s first year and at least 12 of which are brand new franchises which also happens to be more than MS have so far announced.

 

[Kobooi]

MeanElf,
As you're not a mod, I'm ignoring your hypocrite comments. Then only 1 comment remains:

On the other hand, it's a number of the most vocal whiners that seem to think certain things will definitely be in GT6 despite nothing definite from PD to support that.

What things would that be? I think you're just inventing stuff, in your personal mission to react to anyone who thinks GT6 will fail, just to make yourself feel better about your decision to buy it and like it.

 

[Prototyp3]

Return of paint chips, which is stupid enough, also probably means no livery editor, has got me really bummed out about this game.

When will GT start adding basic features that nearly all other major racing titles have?

 

[MeanElf]

MeanElf,
As you're not a mod, I'm ignoring your hypocrite comments. Then only 1 comment remains:

On the other hand, it's a number of the most vocal whiners that seem to think certain things will definitely be in GT6 despite nothing definite from PD to support that.

What things would that be? I think you're just inventing stuff, in your personal mission to react to anyone who thinks GT6 will fail, just to make yourself feel better about your decision to buy it and like it.

Umm, what particular hypocritical comment was that?

Not really inventing stuff, the things people come up with are crazy all by themselves, so I don't need to. If you want an example though, how about the customisation issue? Many people are expecting a full livery editor in GT6 when no confirmation has been given that the customisation in GT6 will go that far. There is plenty of evidence on the forums of this, so that shouldn't be a surprise. Those are the ones who are setting themselves up for a fall.

As for your closing rationale about my reasons - I know I will enjoy GT6 because that's just the kind of person I am. I don't complain lightly, or for small issues - I accept flaws if I feel the game's good points override anything bad. If I don't like a game, I simply stop playing it and don't have a burning compunction to blather on about it to all and sundry on some forum, which so many feel the urge to it seems. I have played GT5 through twice and am now doing it a third time to see how the experience compares to the first two after all of the updates. There have been gaps whilst I played other games, true, but I have always returned so I think that says enough about how I feel concerning GT5. I certainly don't need any vindication from others to enjoy playing something like GT5.

Games now are absolute light-years ahead of what I started on, and I'm always amazed at what can be achieved.

I only react to plainly silly or uninformed comments about GT6 - hey, nobody's perfect, eh?

 

[phil_2001]

It doesn't matter what we think. PD will not make any significant progress until they see that the sales have dropped big. It all depends on us, stop buying the game and they will add a lot of content like city free roam, livery editor and all the other stuff that people would love and make them feel like really driving a car of their own.

Who would say no to a Gran Turismo game with 1000 cars and a territory like GTA 5 to drive on? I think soon it will come the time when they will stop making millions for such lousy content and start delivering some new stuff that will bring GT to a new level. It is only better for the sake of progress.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

GT6 will only be a disappointment to the Tokoturismos on this website, who hope everything that Kaz didn't mention yet will be in GT6.
On other (non racing game exclusive) gaming websites I see fewer Tokoturismos than on gtplanet (which is to be expected), so overall disappointment will be rather limited.
I'm looking forward to the release, to see the Tokoturismos defend the standards, the sounds, the paint chips, the limited course editor and all the other faults from GT5 by stating how well the new physics are improved over GT5 (which is odd because for the last few years they said it was the best thing in GT5, and which will be probably buggy and get "improved" in the next 16 patches). I foresee a lot of use of the term "adaptive tessellation".
I only have time for 1 game, GT or Forza. Right now it looks like the sensible choice is a new xbox and Forza 5. Even without details on Forza 5, I know it will not contain the faults of GT5. I will await the reviews of both before buying anything, but for sure I will not go back to any game that has paint chips and no option to change wheel sizes and tire widths.

GT5s course editor was great, it just lacked locations and the graphics were very poor sometimes. Yet it worked very good. You could create tracks with a very natural flow, nice scenery and challenging sections. I created a toscana track which featured a back straight, which resembled the one on the Istanbul Park, directly leading into the sunset... A very beautiful view with GT5s lightning engine and very challenging corners after this! People I raced with liked this track

Yes, a full blown track editor is a mighty tool, but only very few can use it right. I am no Herman Tilke, I can't design race tracks alone, but GT5s tool assists me alot.

Your other arguments... Very subjective. I care more about dynamic weather and Day/Night changes than tire widths or wheel sizes. One of the best expierences I had this console gen was doing the 24h of Lemans with a stock R10.
I envy Forzas car list a bit, more balanced with great LMPs and Porsche, but nothing more. I won't buy a Xbone for Forza, which is like the only non dudebro Xbox franchise.

 

[MeanElf]

I'm sure we'd all like those things phil but at the same time I don't think the PS3 can achieve that to a meaningful degree.

I am supposing you are suggesting that PD redesigns the game by dropping some features to allow the new. Even then, with such a high graphical quality that they've imposed on themselves, livery editor might not work so well online. I'm not sure how Forza do it, other than having fewer vehicles but that's just their thing, not really something PD have shown much interest in so far.

That isn't to say they won't ever.

 

[mr_serious]

It doesn't matter what we think. PD will not make any significant progress until they see that the sales have dropped big. It all depends on us, stop buying the game and they will add a lot of content like city free roam, livery editor and all the other stuff that people would love and make them feel like really driving a car of their own.

Who would say no to a Gran Turismo game with 1000 cars and a territory like GTA 5 to drive on? I think soon it will come the time when they will stop making millions for such lousy content and start delivering some new stuff that will bring GT to a new level. It is only better for the sake of progress.

I personally don't see what free roam has to do with the GT5 series. My own personal opinion has always been that it is a racing series and so I want things implemented that focus on racing, Excellent AI & physics, many tracks, many cars, tuning & customisation.

The problem with GT now is that the fan base is fractured into groups looking for completely incompatible things from the game.

• Some want racing and of those some want online, some offline, some b-spec or team management or a combination of.
• Some want a leveling / collecting game (cars, trophies, cards, suits etc...)
• Some want an MMO trading game.
• Some want a free roaming sort of game

I would prefer PD to use the underlying physics engine & models to create 4 games that cater to the above groups. Than to try to please them all in a single confused & ultimately unsatisfying single title.

 

[phil_2001]

I was thinking about the PS4, if GT6 sales are going to be bad then for PS4 we will have a vast game because they'll have to try something totally different in order to make gamers happy. For PD even %50 of the expected sale loss will be shameful because that would mean Gran Turismo isn't the most beloved racing game in the world like before.

Now lets look at the trend nowadays, people love open games with lots of variety, hence even Last of Us is such a big game location wise. With the next gen Gran Turismo has to accomodate to those standards, cars and tracks will not do good enough anymore because people will be already spoiled by the racing games with open worlds.

In real life most sports cars are handled on real life roads, not tracks. All I am saying is that driving only on tracks makes the game boring after a while.

We all want variety and freedom to roam with our sports cars and we also love great physics. The better the physics are the more we want more roads to drive on. A dozen of tracks look like a bottleneck for the physics/driving.

 

[Tvensky]

I was thinking about the PS4, if GT6 sales are going to be bad then for PS4 we will have a vast game because they'll have to try something totally different in order to make gamers happy. For PD even %50 of the expected sale loss will be shameful because that would mean Gran Turismo isn't the most beloved racing game in the world like before.

Now lets look at the trend nowadays, people love open games with lots of variety, hence even Last of Us is such a big game location wise. With the next gen Gran Turismo has to accomodate to those standards, cars and tracks will not do good enough anymore because people will be already spoiled by the racing games with open worlds.

In real life most sports cars are handled on real life roads, not tracks. All I am saying is that driving only on tracks makes the game boring after a while. We all want variety and freedom to roam with our sports cars.

I can agree... but if GT have great tracks and cars it would be cool..(no need for open world in GT).. instead PD are creating invisible walls and making tracks look dead and empty... so yes.. its easy to get distracted in GT game and loss immersion... PD can fix this even in GT6 on ps3, just get rid of those walls and get into tracks dynamic objects.... racing is racing, there is no open world... only if they gives us some city where to drive... not going to happen..

 

[mister dog]

I personally don't see what free roam has to do with the GT5 series. My own personal opinion has always been that it is a racing series and so I want things implemented that focus on racing, Excellent AI & physics, many tracks, many cars, tuning & customisation.

The problem with GT now is that the fan base is fractured into groups looking for completely incompatible things from the game.

• Some want racing and of those some want online, some offline, some b-spec or team management or a combination of.
• Some want a leveling / collecting game (cars, trophies, cards, suits etc...)
• Some want an MMO trading game.
• Some want a free roaming sort of game

I would prefer PD to use the underlying physics engine & models to create 4 games that cater to the above groups. Than to try to please them all in a single confused & ultimately unsatisfying single title.

Very true this, but generally we all want better sounds, better AI, better race formulas and better customization.

If PD fail on those specific points once again, i hope (like Phil said), that only the fanboys will still go out and buy it without thinking, and the rest of us keep our wallets closed. That was a bit the problem with GT5; because of it's rep it still selled like hotcakes confirming to sony and kaz that they did a great job again...

Only a drop in sales regardless of the hype would make them think something must be wrong, as our community cries for all those years now seem to fall in deafman's ears.

I think that interview with Kaz done by Jordan a while ago, was one of the few times somebody actually had the balls to ask if something would be done with those sounds and AI. For the rest it's almost always talk about the new physics engine and journalists never take the opportunity to criticize the game on it's flaws.

 

[phil_2001]

More so the open world character of the game will fit nicely into the GT motto: The real driving simulator. Driving doesn't mean strictly racing on tracks with opponents. GT has shown that to us by giving varity of cars that are not even sports cars, to be able to drive them for we share the passion for cars and driving. What's better to drive a classic sports car up and down a mountain road, or on a race track? You're not competing, you're just driving. Of course competing on tracks also should be there. PD just needs to add more content, not take away anything.

I'm sorry, but Kazunori Yamauchi and PD is one of the richest game companies in the world and has one of most powerful technologies at their service and it's all because of the gamers support, yet they have only 150 people working on the games that they do. That's shallow if you ask me.

 

[TokoTurismo]

GT6 will only be a disappointment to the Tokoturismos on this website, who hope everything that Kaz didn't mention yet will be in GT6.
On other (non racing game exclusive) gaming websites I see fewer Tokoturismos than on gtplanet (which is to be expected), so overall disappointment will be rather limited.
I'm looking forward to the release, to see the Tokoturismos defend the standards, the sounds, the paint chips, the limited course editor and all the other faults from GT5 by stating how well the new physics are improved over GT5 (which is odd because for the last few years they said it was the best thing in GT5, and which will be probably buggy and get "improved" in the next 16 patches). I foresee a lot of use of the term "adaptive tessellation".

Hello Kobooi, long time no see. Not sure what your going on about when you mention "TokoTurismos", but that gave me a good laugh. I have to say, that's rather cute of you, because GT6 will only be, a disappointment, if TokoTurismos are on this site? *Chuckles* Pure opinion. Theres only one TokoTurismo on this site though, and that's me.

Oh, and I don't want to sound like a smart ***, but try to learn to make paragraphics. It'll make reading in life more easier.

I only have time for 1 game, GT or Forza. Right now it looks like the sensible choice is a new xbox and Forza 5. Even without details on Forza 5, I know it will not contain the faults of GT5. I will await the reviews of both before buying anything, but for sure I will not go back to any game that has paint chips and no option to change wheel sizes and tire widths.

Sorry but I'm not a big fan of tire widths and sizes, but since you are, okay. Also, I wouldn't be so confident in Forza 5 though, it looks to be the same FM4 with better graphics and drivatar (even with open-wheels), but that's my opinion. It has no night racing, no weather, and even no pit strategy AGAIN, but it was already said by Dan he doesn't care what the fans say, he believes his game is better than PC sims and all racing games anyway...

The reason I'm excited for GT6 is mostly for its updated course maker (something that I love in racing games).

 

[Kobooi]

Not really inventing stuff, the things people come up with are crazy all by themselves, so I don't need to. If you want an example though, how about the customisation issue? Many people are expecting a full livery editor in GT6 when no confirmation has been given that the customisation in GT6 will go that far. There is plenty of evidence on the forums of this, so that shouldn't be a surprise. Those are the ones who are setting themselves up for a fall.

These are the Tokoturismos, the group of people that think or hope it will be in there because Kaz hasn't said it will not, or because Kaz is such a great guy. The "whiners" you're referring to think one would expect something like a livery editor in a racing game in 2014, but don't expect it from Kaz. Weird that you give this example as an "all crazy" thing. If you think a livery editor is all crazy, I can understand that you're happy with whatever you're fed. As you gave me advice on which game to play, let me give you some advice in return: don't confuse this forum with a fan club. So go and create a fan club then, and don't allow me to become a member.

 

[TokoTurismo]

@Kobooi People who were TokoTurismos was the first time, but now it isn't funny anymore. Stop that or I'll report you...