IFTC: Discussion Thread
- Thread starter baxnimis
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- terryamesVP
so we can use green area now? excuse me but my english is very poor
just yes or no please
just yes or no please
Sphinx
Staff Emeritus
- 6,724
- England
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You're correct. 👍
There is a lot going on behind the scenes at the moment. All we ask is for everyone to carry on racing as normal whilst we attempt to get this challenge organised to a standard that is acceptable for everyone. 👍
For week 1, yes.
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- terryamesVP
ok thanx , strange but ok
Sphinx
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It's only "strange" because drivers who should really know better, decided to use the green areas before seeking confirmation/clarification of the track boundaries. We are currently in damage limitation mode, this means that we are attempting to turn a difficult situation into a good one by being somewhat lenient towards something that normally wouldn't be acceptable. 👍
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- terryamesVP
ok i understand , it's just that real driver don't use this area
yesterday we've told one of our pilot to make another time because he was limit on one curve and for us it was an evidence that the track is delimited by the red/white stripes.
now i know why my times are so far from the first place 💡
if you say the subject is over , no problem ...
hope you won't have other problems with other drivers
thanks for this championship , it is really a good idea 👍
yesterday we've told one of our pilot to make another time because he was limit on one curve and for us it was an evidence that the track is delimited by the red/white stripes.
now i know why my times are so far from the first place 💡
if you say the subject is over , no problem ...
hope you won't have other problems with other drivers
thanks for this championship , it is really a good idea 👍
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- terryamesVP
ok , thanx baxnimis for the championship
and thank you sphinx for answering my question
fairplay is everything , don't let it in the pit before you go on track 👍
and thank you sphinx for answering my question
fairplay is everything , don't let it in the pit before you go on track 👍
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- LiLFaF
Hello
Its for add a new driver in the GT5net Team : tommyssimo (wheel)
Thanks
EDIT: one new too (sorry ) : histgeo (Wheel)
RE-EDIT :a....new : GT5net_gil94 (Wheel)
Its for add a new driver in the GT5net Team : tommyssimo (wheel)
Thanks
EDIT: one new too (sorry ) : histgeo (Wheel)
RE-EDIT :a....new : GT5net_gil94 (Wheel)
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- 193
- Italy
- baxnimis
You're right mate
I think you all drivers deserve an explanation about that matter.
After 3 crazy days (my job from 8 AM to 6 PM, updating this thread and same on other 6 forums from 6 PM to 8 PM) I simply realized that I could not manage this for 10 weeks and, that's important, I'm not so experienced.
So yesterday night I asked Sphinx to help me and he did. Really thanks Sphinx 👍
Hope you all drivers will enjoy this championship
- 716
- Paris - France
- GTrs_Wayne
Funny little combo to start the championship with. Even if I would have prefer a faster car on that track, it's still a funny one.
I just tried a few laps on it and will not go on further more due to the acceptance of green parts and of course the advantage/disadvantage of the clutch use... 👎
Good luck to the non-G25-clutch users and see you on next race 👍
I just tried a few laps on it and will not go on further more due to the acceptance of green parts and of course the advantage/disadvantage of the clutch use... 👎
Good luck to the non-G25-clutch users and see you on next race 👍
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- baxnimis
Sphinx
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I have to admit, I'm getting fed up with these negative posts regarding the rulings I've made.
So before I go too far and tell you guys to shove it, allow me to highlight some facts regarding this challenge:
This challenge was doomed from the start, in fact it failed on day one. The reason for it's failure was due to the lack of forward planning and inexperience in OLR from the organisers. I'm not slating baxnimis here, he's done a very good job under the circumstances, but he simply wasn't ready for such a challenge, in fact, no one is, otherwise we would've done this a long time ago. Once baxnimis realised he was out of his depth, he contacted me for help, I said sure, and here I am helping.
This challenge is now as big as any BC (Board Challenge). Organising a BC takes months to prepare, and here we are trying to do the same in just a few days, so give us some slack please.
Normally I would kick the ass of someone who went about using the green areas of the track without first seeking confirmation, do I like ruling, of course not, but after spending hours behind the scenes trying to sort this mess out, it's the only logical thing to do, and I can assure you it's way down on the list of important things to deal with at the moment.
I've also heard complaints about the OLR rules. Theses standard OLR rules have been in place for many years and they are used by many other GT sites. If you're new to all this, get used to them, they won't be disappearing any time soon.
Tomorrow I'm going to decide if to scrap the Week 1 event and turn it into another warm up event because it simply isn't working the way it should be working. If I decide to scrap it, I will then post a brand new Week 1 event (same track, different car) that will outlaw the use of the clutch and the green areas.
Constructive thoughts welcome? 👍
- 982
- GTP_MJH
I think starting afresh, with a set of hard and fast rules would be a great idea. Some people might be a bit upset by it, but i'm sure an apology and explanation posted on all the forums involved will help appease the situation. Thanks to baxnimis for creating this event and for being big enough to admit that he needs help with it. I for one wouldn't know where to start with something like this. And thanks to sphinx for stepping in and helping. Don't forget that these guys are doing this in there spare time, for the love of the game and to provide us with some challenging fun. Lets not drive them away.
hm..i don't normally comment as i would just read the rules and race along when required. may I say, first of all, many thanks to baxnimis and Sphinx for organizing everything. 👍 for the efforts put in. i know we all have day-jobs to do so it's really not easy to juggle between work and here. especially with all the opinions and comments and whatnot.
second, if you may allow my opinion, i am with the idea of taking away the clutch and disallow the use of the green areas.
here's how i see it. for the past 2 days, i was trying my best to shave off whatever I can off my personal time and just when i thought i could learn something beneficial from the pros by watching their replay,i stumbled.
i'm not the fastest around thats for sure, but when comparing my driving style with the top drivers, the rule-of-thumb for competitive timing still stands, such as the driving lines and braking points. but what i did not see was the 'technique' involved. i'm not being a 'purist' but i would like to simulate my driving to be as real as it is in real life.
when i saw how certain top drivers change directly from 5th to 2nd gear at the end of the start/finish straight right before T1, i was wondering, yes, perhaps it can be done in real life but how many real drivers actually practice that? i mean, there's no mechanical issues involved by performing such driving in GT5 but i would at least, in my opinion, like to see a proper and driver who can, in the very least change the gears in sequence. sure, it does take certain skills for someone who can makes good use of the clutch to driver even faster but i was thinking, what about those who don't have a clutch enabled wheel (like the DFGT / DFP users) doesn't that put them kinda in a disadvantageous situation?
a race should be fair and square, and a proper driver, should again, imho, race within consensus of what they think should be 'proper'
just my 2c.
second, if you may allow my opinion, i am with the idea of taking away the clutch and disallow the use of the green areas.
here's how i see it. for the past 2 days, i was trying my best to shave off whatever I can off my personal time and just when i thought i could learn something beneficial from the pros by watching their replay,i stumbled.
i'm not the fastest around thats for sure, but when comparing my driving style with the top drivers, the rule-of-thumb for competitive timing still stands, such as the driving lines and braking points. but what i did not see was the 'technique' involved. i'm not being a 'purist' but i would like to simulate my driving to be as real as it is in real life.
when i saw how certain top drivers change directly from 5th to 2nd gear at the end of the start/finish straight right before T1, i was wondering, yes, perhaps it can be done in real life but how many real drivers actually practice that? i mean, there's no mechanical issues involved by performing such driving in GT5 but i would at least, in my opinion, like to see a proper and driver who can, in the very least change the gears in sequence. sure, it does take certain skills for someone who can makes good use of the clutch to driver even faster but i was thinking, what about those who don't have a clutch enabled wheel (like the DFGT / DFP users) doesn't that put them kinda in a disadvantageous situation?
a race should be fair and square, and a proper driver, should again, imho, race within consensus of what they think should be 'proper'
just my 2c.
- 8,642
- London
- GTP_Stotty
IMO Sphinx, people are just taking it way too seriously and need to get some perspective...
There's been enough posts on this thread discussing/explaining why the rules for round 1 are outside what we'd normally see, so no need to even bother commenting on them let alone specifically moan about them anymore... if you don't like the rules, don't run the event, simple. Just appreciate the event exits and the hard work some people put in to setting it up, if you don't like it, go see if you can do a better job.
In addition, clutch or no clutch, 'green parts' of the track or not, the top drivers are going to be pretty much the same either way. Sure there may be a few missing or ranking further down the list than they usually would, but half the people complaining wouldn't have a chance of a top 30 ranking anyway.
There's been enough posts on this thread discussing/explaining why the rules for round 1 are outside what we'd normally see, so no need to even bother commenting on them let alone specifically moan about them anymore... if you don't like the rules, don't run the event, simple. Just appreciate the event exits and the hard work some people put in to setting it up, if you don't like it, go see if you can do a better job.
In addition, clutch or no clutch, 'green parts' of the track or not, the top drivers are going to be pretty much the same either way. Sure there may be a few missing or ranking further down the list than they usually would, but half the people complaining wouldn't have a chance of a top 30 ranking anyway.
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- gagbergag
I agree with the idea to cancel this race !
I think that it is the only solution.
And afterward the staff will have to be firm and absolutely intrensigent !
In each to worry about the validity of its replay
The settlement(regulation) that must be to respect in its completeness
@sphinx et baxnimis
I indeed understand the difficulties which you encounter(meet) given the importance that in taken this event, but it is exactly (because) that this took this scale that you have to be all the more intransigent!
Good courage and thank you still for your implication
Saddened for the quality of my English (in more this time I used a translator of Web)
I think that it is the only solution.
And afterward the staff will have to be firm and absolutely intrensigent !
In each to worry about the validity of its replay
The settlement(regulation) that must be to respect in its completeness
@sphinx et baxnimis
I indeed understand the difficulties which you encounter(meet) given the importance that in taken this event, but it is exactly (because) that this took this scale that you have to be all the more intransigent!
Good courage and thank you still for your implication
Saddened for the quality of my English (in more this time I used a translator of Web)
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- Paris - France
- GTrs_Wayne
Sorry Sphinx
PLease don't take it personally nor Baxnimis, what you both did is great and the way you reacted is simply logical. As you said, this now more look like a Board Challenge, and only a few of us know what it implies in terms of investment 👍
Rudi Raser & I were both offering help in term of existing racing database, but as you said we should have need at least one more week to organize such event.
Sphinx
Staff Emeritus
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- GTP_Sphinx
Sorry Sphinx
PLease don't take it personally nor Baxnimis, what you both did is great and the way you reacted is simply logical. As you said, this now more look like a Board Challenge, and only a few of us know what it implies in terms of investment 👍
Rudi Raser & I were both offering help in term of existing racing database, but as you said we should have need at least one more week to organize such event.
No worries Wayne. 👍
I saw your offer of help and I thank you for your very kind gesture. 👍
Another GTP OLR Race Admin has very kindly taken on the role of overseeing the racing database issue, and they aware of your and GTRP's offer. 👍👍
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- GTExD_pino-R
hi ,
you excuse I say my opinion I hope constructive:
this and' an event so' great and and' correct that goes on ,if there are there incomprehensions and' always possibility' to resolve , we are all adults :
enough solo good wish' and patience from everybody 👍
to Baxnimis my admiration goes for its idea it was not easy 👍 ,it didn't perhaps hope in this whole presence of pilots,and Sphinx is trying to bring forth the run in the good way .
the idea and' simple to establish definitive and clear rules ,it would be excellent to put photo with clear examples of the limits of every circuit
as these image as we do on GTExD (only for example attention!!!!!!)
then to decide the use of the clutch or no or different classifications ,to leave again from the next competition and to consider this solo a training I don't believe is a problem for anybody ,
let's remember after all us that we are only here for having a good time us.
I hope that she prevail the common reason,I repeat enough only some patience from everybody
👍
sorry for my english........
you excuse I say my opinion I hope constructive:
this and' an event so' great and and' correct that goes on ,if there are there incomprehensions and' always possibility' to resolve , we are all adults :
enough solo good wish' and patience from everybody 👍
to Baxnimis my admiration goes for its idea it was not easy 👍 ,it didn't perhaps hope in this whole presence of pilots,and Sphinx is trying to bring forth the run in the good way .
the idea and' simple to establish definitive and clear rules ,it would be excellent to put photo with clear examples of the limits of every circuit
as these image as we do on GTExD (only for example attention!!!!!!)
then to decide the use of the clutch or no or different classifications ,to leave again from the next competition and to consider this solo a training I don't believe is a problem for anybody ,
let's remember after all us that we are only here for having a good time us.
I hope that she prevail the common reason,I repeat enough only some patience from everybody
👍sorry for my english........
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- terryamesVP
well done baxnimis and all the poeple who organize this event
i am sure that you are going in the right direction
i hope that all the drivers would be patient and fairplay
there is nothing to earn in this event and that why i think everyone should respect the rules
to all the drivers
repect the rules to show your respect to the poeple who organize this event.
i agree with the pictures of pino-r
i am sure that you are going in the right direction
i hope that all the drivers would be patient and fairplay
there is nothing to earn in this event and that why i think everyone should respect the rules
to all the drivers
repect the rules to show your respect to the poeple who organize this event.
i agree with the pictures of pino-r
Sphinx
Staff Emeritus
- 6,724
- England
- GTP_Sphinx
hi ,
you excuse I say my opinion I hope constructive:
this and' an event so' great and and' correct that goes on ,if there are there incomprehensions and' always possibility' to resolve , we are all adults :
enough solo good wish' and patience from everybody 👍
to Baxnimis my admiration goes for its idea it was not easy 👍 ,it didn't perhaps hope in this whole presence of pilots,and Sphinx is trying to bring forth the run in the good way .
the idea and' simple to establish definitive and clear rules ,it would be excellent to put photo with clear examples of the limits of every circuit
as these image as we do on GTExD (only for example attention!!!!!!)
then to decide the use of the clutch or no or different classifications ,to leave again from the next competition and to consider this solo a training I don't believe is a problem for anybody ,
let's remember after all us that we are only here for having a good time us.
I hope that she prevail the common reason,I repeat enough only some patience from everybody
sorry for my english........
Thanks for posting, pino-r. 👍
The use of images will be adopted for the following rounds. Most of the OLR Standard rules are simply common sense, but like you guys, we also have to resort to making things fool proof sometimes. Like this for example: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3179692&postcount=673
To all, expect an announcement regarding the current Week 1 event shortly. 👍
