Immigration

[Barra333]

OK. Soviet-puppet rule.

My point stands though - would you rather be in a Soviet puppet state and probably hungry, or in a completely independent country that is prosperous enough that you can actually feed, house and look after some hungry people from elsewhere?

Which goes back to what I said further up this page.

I find it odd that your stance is so anti immigration, given that a generation ago there were more people wanted out of your country than wanted in.

 

[novcze]

don't worry Germany, Hungary will save you

OK. Soviet-puppet rule.

My point stands though - would you rather be in a Soviet puppet state and probably hungry, or in a completely independent country that is prosperous enough that you can actually feed, house and look after some hungry people from elsewhere?

Which goes back to what I said further up this page.

What point?

I just said that we are taking in the refugees, at least those who want to be here, which IMO is the same as yours "completely independent country that is prosperous enough that you can actually feed, house and look after some hungry people from elsewhere"

If we are ordered from Brussels on how many refugees we need to take, where is that "completely independent country"? Would you call it EU-puppet state?

 

[Robin]

I think this is going to be one of those iconic images years from now...

 

[TenEightyOne]

More photos on the theme that have gone viral, according to the BBC. Click each to expand, and there are more explanations of each picture here. The first is my favourite, I think.

 

[Robin]

www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/11874717/Tim-Cook-Our-hearts-go-out-to-these-refugees.html

He has seen they are all using Samsung phones so he wants to re-address the balance

 

[Barra333]

www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/11874717/Tim-Cook-Our-hearts-go-out-to-these-refugees.html

He has seen they are all using Samsung phones so he wants to re-address the balance

Where does it say that? I don't doubt that PR is high on the agenda here, but there is no mention of phone usage in the article except that donations through the iOS app will be matched by Apple. I don't really like the company, but at least he/they are helping in some way.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Where does it say that?

I think he was being sarcastic

 

[Barra333]

Where the hell is that sarcasm font then?

Wait, comic sans has to be good for something, right?

 

[Dotini]

Europeans appear to be somewhat confused at the moment.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34302285

Each day now there are new routes and new rules marking the map of Europe - and without a pan-European solution, it is every nation for itself.

The EU is to hold emergency talks next week.

 

[Robin]

Where does it say that? I don't doubt that PR is high on the agenda here, but there is no mention of phone usage in the article except that donations through the iOS app will be matched by Apple. I don't really like the company, but at least he/they are helping in some way.

I was being sarcastic, as for the Samsung bit of you have watched some of the interviews the journalists do with the migrants they nearly all are using Samsung phones because Apple really doesn't have a strong presence in developing nations (too expensive).

He's probably hoping when they get to Germany and earn the mega bucks they will repay his generosity by buying some iPhones

 

[Dennisch]

d without a pan-European solution, it is every nation for itself.

Germany wants them all!

 

[Dotini]

Germany wants them all!

They do! They think they are getting young, motivated, highly educated Syrians which will eventually supplant their own aging and dwindling workforce. But even Germans think they have limits, and that the rest of the EU must obey its own charter and each take some refugees.

 

[Dennisch]

the West of the EU must obey its own charter and each take some refugees.

 

[Rage Racer]

no it isn't paranoia, it is historical experience and Russian actions nowadays which drives surrounding countries into NATO.

Well... In order to avoid double standards, I won't argue this, but I think you should admit that the Russian "paranoia" isn't unreasonable, too. There's no guarantee that NATO is surrounding RF with completely peaceful intentions.

Spoiler: off the topic

OK. Soviet-puppet rule.

My point stands though - would you rather be in a Soviet puppet state and probably hungry, or in a completely independent country that is prosperous enough that you can actually feed, house and look after some hungry people from elsewhere?

I think this question is not correct, because today, in 2015, when we have this immigration problem, the Socialist Bloc has kicked the bucket a long time ago, while its former members, which are not flooded with Middle Eastern refugees like this, are not any hungry (I'm not sure about Moldova, Ukraine and the Cental Asian post-USSR republics, though).

They do! They think they are getting young, motivated, highly educated Syrians which will eventually supplant their own aging and dwindling workforce. But even Germans think they have limits, and that the rest of the EU must obey its own charter and each take some refugees.

I heard somewhere, that the refugee transportation to Europe is being (partially) sponsored by some American charity organisations. Otherwise, how can those immigrants afford it, and whose money do they cash in the Europe's ATMs they queue up for?..
What do you think, can this be true?

 

[Dotini]

I heard somewhere, that the refugee transportation to Europe is being (partially) sponsored by some American charity organisations. Otherwise, how can those immigrants afford it, and whose money do they cash in the Europe's ATMs they queue up for?..
What do you think, can this be true?

Ha ha, that would be quite a joke on our pals in Europe if true!

But I don't know. Perhaps the details are buried in the activities of NGOs? The US supposedly does spend the most on the refugees, probably for what goes on in Jordan and Lebanon, but I have seen no specific accounting.

 

[Dennisch]

Ha ha, that would be quite a joke on our pals in Europe if true!

Laugh all you want, Judas!

When Europe falls to poop again you guys can send your troops! Again.

 

[TenEightyOne]

whose money do they cash in the Europe's ATMs they queue up for?..

Their own? They're not coming from African villages... most card providers now work in the majority of foreign ATMS, for a percentage charge naturally.

 

[Rage Racer]

Their own? They're not coming from African villages... most card providers now work in the majority of foreign ATMS, for a percentage charge naturally.

Y'know, when I get messages from my Russian friends about my trip to Italy, they say: "Wow, you can afford such a trip to Europe, you must be so rich!". And my answer is - Look how many people are heading to Europe from the Middle East, they must be sooo rich, too!

 

[Robin]

There is one thing I'm finding slightly confusing. If these refugees are mostly middle class why don't they just fly into Germany and then overstay their tourist visa and claim asylum?

Another thing I think about is how the US would handle such a situation if all of South America was emptying due to war. You can bet given the US has some of the most stringent immigration laws in the world they wouldn't let a sole across that border and probably deploy the army. So why is the EU letting a million in?

 

[novcze]

They do! They think they are getting young, motivated, highly educated Syrians which will eventually supplant their own aging and dwindling workforce. But even Germans think they have limits, and that the rest of the EU must obey its own charter and each take some refugees.

Actually, Germany will keep those somewhat educated and the rest will be distributed to other EU states ... at least this is what Merkel thinks. Which is nonsense because they all want to be in the Germany.

Funny story ... Germany wanted to return over 2000 refugees to Poland, but in reality they returned only some 180 people, because they weren't able to catch those people again after registering them as asylum seekers.

So why is the EU letting a million in?

Because Germany is destabilizing the Europe again. Merkel thinks that EU is their Fourth Reich and can command everybody ... or she is completely stupid.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Funny story ... Germany wanted to return over 2000 refugees to Poland, but in reality they returned only some 180 people, because they weren't able to catch those people again after registering them as asylum seekers.

Source?

Merkel thinks that EU is their Fourth Reich and can command everybody ... or she is completely stupid.

Dammit, you win.

 

[A2K78]

Another thing I think about is how the US would handle such a situation if all of South America was emptying due to war. You can bet given the US has some of the most stringent immigration laws in the world they wouldn't let a sole across that border and probably deploy the army. So why is the EU letting a million in?

Good question, but look back at the podcast link where Daniel MacAdams explain why...to put things in perspective, its for the very same why liberals in america so love open borders..its all about growing the welfare state. In the case of europe left wing parties look to gain in way of expanding the welfare state. Take away the welfare and people have less less to immigrate to a particular area.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Good question, but look back at the podcast link where Daniel MacAdams explain why...to put things in perspective, its for the very same why liberals in america so love open borders..its all about growing the welfare state. In the case of europe left wing parties look to gain in way of expanding the welfare state. Take away the welfare and people have less less to immigrate to a particular area.

Why does everybody believe that liberals want to throw the borders open and build a welfare state? That sounds like the rubbish conservatives come up with when they invoke "we're defending your way of life" rather than make an actual argument.

Liberals like me believe in humanitarian efforts, but we also believe in secure borders - the two are not mutually exclusive. Likewise, we believe in welfare as a kind of safety net for the less fortunate, but not to the point where people only ever rely on it.

 

[novcze]

Source?

Czech minister of interior Milan Chovanec in TV debate Otázky Václava Moravce.



edit:

and your card is outdated, this one is more actual ... but I count on the second possibility, she is just stupid.

 

[HKS racer]

Europeans appear to be somewhat confused at the moment.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34302285

Each day now there are new routes and new rules marking the map of Europe - and without a pan-European solution, it is every nation for itself.

The EU is to hold emergency talks next week.

Basically a huge mess made by the most incompetent politicians ever.

 

[Vegard]

Meanwhile in Finland:

Bus carrying around 40 refugees met by 30 - 40 angry protesters. Among them; a man in a KKK "uniform".
Fist sized rocks and fireworks were aimed at the bus carrying the refugees, security guards at the refugee center, Red Cross workers, and journalists. Two protesters were arrested.

Link with video (in Swedish)

 

[Dennisch]

German police and politicians wants to separate immigrants based on ethnicity and faith, because apparently they can't get along with each other.

Hmm.

 

[Dennisch]

German Police now say that separation based on faith is pointless, because most of the daily fights that occur are amongst Muslims.

How strange, letting people in who fled their country because they fought over who had the best interpretation of a fairytale, and stuffing them together doesn't solve the fighting.

So strange.

 

[Barra333]

Just like the Serbs and Croats who fled the war there in the 90's, just to continue the same fight in whatever countries they moved to.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

How strange, letting people in who fled their country because they fought over who had the best interpretation of a fairytale, and stuffing them together doesn't solve the fighting.

How do you know that the fights are sectarian? They've just walked several thousand kilometres, have had to deal with European countries denying them entry, and now they're living in close quarters with tensions high. And yet sectarian conflict is somehow more likely than fatigue and stress getting the better of people?

And of course most of the fights are between Muslims - most of the refugees are Muslims. Ironically, for any other minority to be at the centre of the conflict, it would have to be a sectarian conflict at the centre of it.