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How are they not obligated to follow local law? They're subject to the same rules as everyone else. They may think they're not, but they're wrong.
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How are they not obligated to follow local law? They're subject to the same rules as everyone else. They may think they're not, but they're wrong.
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My mistake, I assumed we were talking about criminal law since the discussion has been about sexual assault and rape.
Inheritance and property stuff...yeah, I can sort of see following whatever system was in place where the marriage was made or whatever if there's not a local law that's appropriate. If someone's in a polygamous marriage and German law isn't able to deal with that, then there are worse options than ruling according to the laws in the country they were married in.
The immigrants are still subject to the same laws as everyone else. It's simply that the immigrants can present legal situations that a native German would be unable to. Although presumably if a German went and became a Jordanian citizen, married a bunch of women and then moved back to Germany, the same laws would be applied. Hard to tell because it sounds like these are niche cases in which the judge has taken the "fairest" option available.
I find it odd that Germany has German law, but Jordan has Islamic law. The article says that Jordanian law is partially based on Shariah law. German law (and the law of most western countries) could be described as partially based on Christian law. That's the historical reality of those legal systems, they've been built up since a time when religious law and governmental law were basically identical.
Why then should one be labelled according to the nation, and the other according to the religion? Shouldn't the conflict be between Christian law and Islamic law, instead of German law and Islamic law?
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How can you force someone to observe cultural values? You can educate them as to laws and the constitution, but values are a completely different - and abstract - concept. Forcing them to observe those values is tantamount to forced assimilation, which can undermine individual identity.
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It looks like gang sexual abuse have even name in certain cultures, it's called Taharrush
let's see what Saira Khan said about it:
“Here in the West, we need to stop burying our heads in the sand and accept that Asian, Arab and African men grow up in societies where misogyny is the cultural norm. We need to talk about it so we can change it.
Ignoring it, like the BBC did, is just condoning it. If we are allowing people to come in, we must also make sure that we are not blinded by some truths which are hard to swallow.
It is a betrayal of the truth, of the majority of decent migrants and – most of all – of women who must not see progress turned back for the sake of accommodating a medieval world view.”
let's see what Saira Khan said about it:
“Here in the West, we need to stop burying our heads in the sand and accept that Asian, Arab and African men grow up in societies where misogyny is the cultural norm. We need to talk about it so we can change it.
Ignoring it, like the BBC did, is just condoning it. If we are allowing people to come in, we must also make sure that we are not blinded by some truths which are hard to swallow.
It is a betrayal of the truth, of the majority of decent migrants and – most of all – of women who must not see progress turned back for the sake of accommodating a medieval world view.”
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Maybe because gang harassment on public was so exotic in Europe, we should use exotic name for it?
... surely, I wouldn't describe our "gang rape" as "a symptom of misogynous ideology, where Women are punished for being in public".
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If by exotic you mean "the arabic translation of collective harrassment" then yes. Not that exotic, obviously.
Really? Victims surely would. The act is illegal in many, many places in the world including the the homelands of the perpetrators who have most recently been in the spotlight. The very act itself goes hand in hand with misogyny and a breakdown of law and order in either the area or the perpetrator's mind.
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It sounds exotic to me and fitting too ... but yeah, to some it may sound as cultural appropriation and we don't want to hurt any feelings, right?
yes, generally rape = misogyny, but so far in Europe not done on the basis of certain ideology.
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According to Farhana Mayer, senior researcher at the Quilliam Foundation, theology department, Taharrush is a symptom of misogynous ideology in which women are punished for being in public. ... hmm theology department, one have to wonder what ideology it is and where it originated?
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...misogynistic-mind-set-that-must-be-dismantled
http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/about/staff/farhana-mayer/
http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/p...eologian-supports-the-muslim-reform-movement/
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Oh, look - it's also a problem in Kenya, which is not a Muslim country.
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Original video is here in Russian (8:10?). I don't speak Russian but if any Russians want to watch it and confirm the translation you are welcome to due to the sometimes suspect nature of Breitbart reporting
: http://ren.tv/novosti/2016-01-17/im...-bezhency-nasiluyut-nemok-iz-za-ih-priyatnogo
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ecause-they-were-half-naked-and-wore-perfume/
Apparently, according to at least one Imam, the attacks in Cologne, "were the girls own fault, because they were half naked and wearing perfume. It is not surprising the men wanted to attack them. [Dressing like that] is like adding fuel to the fire”.
: http://ren.tv/novosti/2016-01-17/im...-bezhency-nasiluyut-nemok-iz-za-ih-priyatnogohttp://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ecause-they-were-half-naked-and-wore-perfume/
Apparently, according to at least one Imam, the attacks in Cologne, "were the girls own fault, because they were half naked and wearing perfume. It is not surprising the men wanted to attack them. [Dressing like that] is like adding fuel to the fire”.
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Female asylum worker in Hamburg describes how her dream job being a 'gutmensch' quickly turned into a nightmare:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-cheating-death-threats-sexism-migrants.html
Sounds like these are very grateful people to work with
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-cheating-death-threats-sexism-migrants.html
Sounds like these are very grateful people to work with
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Female asylum worker in Hamburg describes how her dream job being a 'gutmensch' quickly turned into a nightmare:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-cheating-death-threats-sexism-migrants.html
Sounds like these are very grateful people to work with
Sounds like dealing with British benefit claimants* - some are disparaging of women, some make sexualised comments, some make threats, some want everything doing for them and the best outcome for the least work. I can't find the source story at Die Welt but I can imagine that they would have presented exactly as the Daily Mail did.
*Or sections of any part of any society.
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In the translated version on Belgian news sites, she mentioned 90% of them are this way. That's more than 'some'
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In the translated version on Belgian news sites, she mentioned 90% of them are this way. That's more than 'some'
She actually said "90% of the men were unpleasant", no?
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Yup?
"But if I'm honest , then the collaboration with 90 percent of those who I meet , rather unpleasant and unfortunately not so , as I thought that before."
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Sort of extension to this discussion from youtuber Sargon of Akkad ... censorship in Germany, deluded feminists, etc.
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