Immigration

[Johnnypenso]

Sure, if you ignore all of the examples he's just provided that it was about race.

You win the selective quoting award of the day, congratulations.

 

[novcze]

You seem to forget that one of the resources was a race!

you mean cheap workforce? ... sure, does it change anything?

 

[Scaff]

you mean cheap workforce? ... sure, does it change anything?

Unless you are referring to slavery as a "cheap workforce" I think you may have misunderstood my post. I certainly hope that is the case.

 

[huskeR32]

You win the selective quoting award of the day, congratulations.

Okay, here's the rest of it:

and everything to do with one being far more powerful than the other and simply mistreating the smaller group because they could.

Your language quite clearly rules out race as a factor. If that's not what you intended to say, then choose words that better represent your thoughts.

Now, how did my "selective" quoting distort anything?

 

[squadops]

Exploiting the weak is not racist, it's survival of the fittest. I've never understood why evolutionists wish to protect the wimps and champion diversity

 

[TenEightyOne]

Exploiting the weak is not racist, it's survival of the fittest.

From somebody who doesn't believe that slavery played any part in the American Civil War I'd consider you to have a blinkered view to begin with.

 

[squadops]

I've never said that, what I have said is slavery was not the main reason, states rights was(as well as power and money). Something you guys will never understand. An extremely unnecessary bloody war that ended up doing nothing good for our country.

BTW I still fly that flag

Oops, EDIT: you missed the point of my post above as well, not unusual.

 

[huskeR32]

what I have said is slavery was not the main reason, states rights was

Odd, then, that in many of the Confederate States' declarations of secession, one of the first things mentioned is that they're fighting to defend the institution of slavery.

 

[squadops]

Of course, because that was the reason for the north to attack them, duh.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I've never said that, what I have said is slavery was not the main reason, states rights was(as well as power and money). Something you guys will never understand. An extremely unnecessary bloody war that ended up doing nothing good for our country.

What you said was;

I disagree it included slavery, what it did include is the rights of the populous to decide, in other words; slavery would have ended without the war.

I was able to produce the relevant parts of the declarations for you, you declined on that occasion to answer the question. Those documents included intent for the future, of course.

 

[squadops]

I said a whole lot more than that

You will never understand what happened to the U.S. during that time so I don't wish to waste too much time. I like that this is brought up in the wrong thread(and I will not move it either). Let us simply look at a few facts, I'll keep it simple and not remind anyone that Lincoln himself considered the answer of deportation. Let us see if you know who said this, when, and why. A big hint was it had more to do with the future than it had in him accepting office.

About to enter, fellow-citizens, on the exercise of duties which comprehend everything dear and valuable to you, it is proper you should understand what I deem the essential principles of our Government, and consequently those which ought to shape its Administration. I will compress them within the narrowest compass they will bear, stating the general principle, but not all its limitations. Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none; the support of the State governments in all their rights, as the most competent administrations for our domestic concerns and the surest bulwarks against antirepublican tendencies; the preservation of the General Government in its whole constitutional vigor, as the sheet anchor of our peace at home and safety abroad; a jealous care of the right of election by the people -- a mild and safe corrective of abuses which are lopped by the sword of revolution where peaceable remedies are unprovided; absolute acquiescence in the decisions of the majority, the vital principle of republics, from which is no appeal but to force, the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism; a well-disciplined militia, our best reliance in peace and for the first moments of war till regulars may relieve them; the supremacy of the civil over the military authority; economy in the public expense, that labor may be lightly burthened; the honest payment of our debts and sacred preservation of the public faith; encouragement of agriculture, and of commerce as its handmaid; the diffusion of information and arraignment of all abuses at the bar of the public reason; freedom of religion; freedom of the press, and freedom of person under the protection of the habeas corpus, and trial by juries impartially selected. These principles form the bright constellation which has gone before us and guided our steps through an age of revolution and reformation. The wisdom of our sages and blood of our heroes have been devoted to their attainment. They should be the creed of our political faith, the text of civic instruction, the touchstone by which to try the services of those we trust; and should we wander from them in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty, and safety.

Please read it closely

And God be damned if google is not your friend, although I seriously doubt you will read this or try and keep yourself from claiming it is biased in some way

http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation

You should clearly see that slavery was not condemned by the law of the land at the time. I will ask you to please read the quote above again and see what I mean.

 

[squadops]

Dumbfounded I see, sure, a state follows the rules, the vast majority living in it get hammered with gun fire, I'd be dumbfounded as well So we should blame them for fighting back of course.

I cannot for the life of me understand any single person who supports the u.s. civil war, it was such a horrid loss for everyone.

Shame on you.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Okay, here's the rest of it:

Your language quite clearly rules out race as a factor. If that's not what you intended to say, then choose words that better represent your thoughts.

Now, how did my "selective" quoting distort anything?

Not sure I understand you. You're trying to defend your selective quoting by selectively quoting me again?

Here's your selective quote:

and everything to do with one being far more powerful than the other and simply mistreating the smaller group because they could.

Emphasis yours by the way.

Here's the entire sentence you selectively quoted from:

But it does raise the possibility that the subjugation had less to do with race as it's commonly portrayed, and everything to do with one being far more powerful than the other and simply mistreating the smaller group because they could.

Emphasis mine.

Hopefully that explains it.

 

[LeMansAid]

Perhaps this is where the word ethnicity becomes more than just superfluous semantics?

Granted, I'd feel like a bit of a tool using ethnicist, but it might save some confusion.... (No.... not about me being a tool).

 

[squadops]

You are a tool

 

[novcze]

Merkel isolated as allies slam door on refugees

 

[A2K78]

I just don't see how anybody can be a cheerleader for imported welfarism, but that said I'm Merkel I'm glad she getting her just deserts.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I just don't see how anybody can be a cheerleader for imported welfarism

You're assuming that "welfarism" is the ends and not the means. There are plenty of instances worldwide of refugees resettling in new host nations and getting themselves to the point where they don't need any form of welfare. But since they have been forced to abandon their homes and most of their possessions, they need some support when they first arrive.

 

[LeMansAid]

You're assuming that "welfarism" is the ends and not the means. There are plenty of instances worldwide of refugees resettling in new host nations and getting themselves to the point where they don't need any form of welfare. But since they have been forced to abandon their homes and most of their possessions, they need some support when they first arrive.

Indeed. Going by our country at least, people that have migrated from various countries under various circumstances have traditionally very much found their place in the working community - often doing jobs that the longer established citizens were far less willing to do. I see no reason why displaced Syrians should be any different by default.

But then what would I know....

I'm Merkel

...... we should probably just let the lady herself speak.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

This is what defending our borders looks like:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...d-to-community-detention-peter-dutton/7188252

That evil baby.

 

[mustafur]

This is what defending our borders looks like:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...d-to-community-detention-peter-dutton/7188252

That evil baby.

I find it quite sad how they Declined the Offer from New Zealand to take some 200 plus asylum seekers off their hands from the basis that because New Zealand has an open door policy with Australia they will just ''come back''.

Why would they want to risk going back to Nauru when they have the possibility to live like Humans in New Zealand which you know, is pretty damn first world.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You're assuming that "welfarism" is the ends and not the means. There are plenty of instances worldwide of refugees resettling in new host nations and getting themselves to the point where they don't need any form of welfare. But since they have been forced to abandon their homes and most of their possessions, they need some support when they first arrive.

And there are plenty of instances worldwide of refugees needing welfare and social assistance far in excess of general participation rates of the country in question. There's no question that the refugee exodus will be a huge economic and social burden on the receiving countries, it's just a question of how much and for how long.

 

[Barra333]

And there are plenty of instances worldwide of refugees needing welfare and social assistance far in excess of general participation rates of the country in question. There's no question that the refugee exodus will be a huge economic and social burden on the receiving countries, it's just a question of how much and for how long.

Is that justification to force them to stay where they are and wait to be killed by a conflict they want nothing to do with?

 

[FoRiZon]

And there are plenty of instances worldwide of refugees needing welfare and social assistance far in excess of general participation rates of the country in question. There's no question that the refugee exodus will be a huge economic and social burden on the receiving countries, it's just a question of how much and for how long.

Until the war torn countries refugees comes from stops the war and gaining peace.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Is that justification to force them to stay where they are and wait to be killed by a conflict they want nothing to do with?

What does that have to do with the response I made? I'm countering a generalization that is used to counter another generalization.

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

Can we all at least agree.

It is common knowledge that all generalizations are dangerous.

 

[novcze]

Can we all at least agree.

It is common knowledge that all generalizations are dangerous.

No

 

[novcze]

... There's no question that the refugee exodus will be a huge economic and social burden on the receiving countries, it's just a question of how much and for how long.

Merkel is now trying to bribe Turkey to keep refugees on their territory, some €3 billion should do it.

 

[mustafur]

Merkel is now trying to bribe Turkey to keep refugees on their territory, some €3 billion should do it.

I mean as long as those refugees are not Armenian, Kurdish and Jewish they will just fine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Turkey

 

[Johnnypenso]

Can we all at least agree.

It is common knowledge that all generalizations are dangerous.

Generally speaking that's probably true in most cases but there are always exceptions.