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People are erroneously correlating different events. Here's an interesting take on sex crime stats in Sweden that presents a brief history of the increase in reportage that goes back 20-or-so years. Who'da thunk it. BBC.
Bear in mind that when Margaret Thatcher resigned the Marathon bar changed its name to Snickers. That's a fact.
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You followed this in the past days?:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/08/police-migrant-crime-investigated-hate/
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Yes, it's the usual Breitbart nonsense with a quote from the Express. If you read the source's own Facebook post it's somewhat different from the claimed "migrants are responsible for the vast majority of serious crime in Sweden".
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Can you quote the literal translation?
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Do your own translation
Much of what he talks about is second-generation crime, he also points out quite explicitly that he's talking about a particular municipal area of a particular county (Orebro), not all of serious crime or all of Sweden by any means.
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For some reason those portions didn't seem as palatable to Breitbart, they didn't even mention them.
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These are quotes I found on BB:
“Here we go; this is what I’ve handled from Monday-Friday this week: rape, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, rape-assault and rape, extortion, blackmail, assault, violence against police, threats to police, drug crime, drugs, crime, felony, attempted murder, Rape again, extortion again and ill-treatment.
“Suspected perpetrators; Ali Mohammed, Mahmod, Mohammed, Mohammed Ali, again, again, again Christopher… what is it true? Yes a Swedish name snuck in on the edges of a drug crime. Mohammed, Mahmod Ali, again and again.
“Countries representing the all the crimes this week: Iraq, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Somalia, Syria again, Somalia, unknown, unknown country, Sweden. Half of the suspects, we can’t be sure because they don’t have any valid papers. Which in itself usually means that they’re lying about their nationality and identity.”
“Now, we’re talking just Örebro municipality. And these crimes take up our capacity to investigate 100 per cent. This is what it looks like here, and has been like for the past 10-15 years.”
I'd like to hear from @MXH seeing he's Swedish and can read the original post here:
“Here we go; this is what I’ve handled from Monday-Friday this week: rape, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, rape-assault and rape, extortion, blackmail, assault, violence against police, threats to police, drug crime, drugs, crime, felony, attempted murder, Rape again, extortion again and ill-treatment.
“Suspected perpetrators; Ali Mohammed, Mahmod, Mohammed, Mohammed Ali, again, again, again Christopher… what is it true? Yes a Swedish name snuck in on the edges of a drug crime. Mohammed, Mahmod Ali, again and again.
“Countries representing the all the crimes this week: Iraq, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Somalia, Syria again, Somalia, unknown, unknown country, Sweden. Half of the suspects, we can’t be sure because they don’t have any valid papers. Which in itself usually means that they’re lying about their nationality and identity.”
“Now, we’re talking just Örebro municipality. And these crimes take up our capacity to investigate 100 per cent. This is what it looks like here, and has been like for the past 10-15 years.”
I'd like to hear from @MXH seeing he's Swedish and can read the original post here:
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Yes, I have. The fact that he's being investigated for hate crime was just a matter of time, as ridiculous as it may seem. No surprise there. Nothing that he wrote though comes as some sort of ''revelation'' either, or incites racial hatred for that matter.
He made another post, which he's quoting from.
Yes, that is true. However, when Springare's saying ''We're now only talking about Ă–rebro municipality'', he's basically hinting that the situation in other cities around the country are no different. Which once again, is no surprise or unknown.
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I really wonder about the future of Sweden, the situation in the bigger cities seems pretty dire with these 'ghettos' now, and I guess there will be quite a big demographic change too in the next 20 years with all the migrants Sweden took in over the past decade.
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That standard joke over here about the Swedes for decades has been that they are blonde and depressed. So now they are less blonde and more depressed?
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Sweden will be fine. Don't fall for all the fearmongering bull.
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I wouldn't call it fear mongering bull, seeing most of these concerns are based on facts. For sure the other 80% of mainland Sweden is perfectly fine, but the situation in said ghettos is quite bad already and the spread of radical Islam could act as fuel on the fire. Belgium (my country of birth), isn't much better off though as we have the same problems with migrant crime.
Anyhow at least I can applaud your optimism for the future, wish I felt the same.
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albeit related, sex crime stats were not topic of the video ...
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Way too many.
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There's plenty of fear mongering going on. Yes there are problems, some significant, but there's plenty of "the sky is falling" crap being spread online. Swedistan etc. etc. It is possible to exaggerate even fairly serious problems.
The public and media discourse has opened up significantly in the last couple of years and the debate has become a lot more nuanced. I don't think the future is bleak as long as we can avoid the extremes.
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But what are the "extremes"?
Is this considered "extreme":
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/how-sweden-became-an-example-of-how-not-to-handle-immigration/
Or are rape statistics (which again on this forum are being blamed almost solely on reporting methods despite evidence to the contrary) and conclusions drawn on them "extreme"?
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They are extreme when they're apparently the only measure you are using to assess the relative success or failure of an immigration scheme, when you draw on sources with a predisposition towards bias (seriously, Brietbart), do not account for crimes perpetrated by non-immigrants, and have the obvious agenda of trying to characterise immigrants from certain backgrounds as being brutal animals.
Sweden has had problems with violence against women for years - especially abuses thst go unreported.
Sweden has had problems with violence against women for years - especially abuses thst go unreported.
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