Immigration

[TenEightyOne]

A rant,hardly. I guess you have never been to a Canadian or American jail?He will be dealt with,if put into general population.Trust me I know! Convicts and Guards have children too!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/douglas-garland-attacked-in-prison-1.3989927

I'm sure, in fact I know, that you're right. That doesn't make extra-legal violence okay though.

I authorized nothing,don't put words in my mouth,if I had my way,32 cents for a bullet would take care of lots of child molesters,rapists,murderers,regardless if they are immigrants or born here.

I won't put words into your mouth... but you go on to do exactly that all by yourself. Some murders are authorisable, I get it.

Did we not save this man and his family from getting bombed,starved,shot at,from his own people and lawgivers that were trying to kill them in their own country! Isn't that the reason they fled to Canada,to leave that barbaric, repressive, life behind? Now his children and wife, have no one to look to for support,money,etc,etc.Who pays the bills now?We do! We pay to house him in jail,to feed him,protect him and then deport him when his sentence is up! Get it now!

Immigrants pay the bill too, of course, unless you've got some kind of tax breakdown that shows you personally carry that fiscal load. Which you haven't. That argument has nothing to do with immigration but everything to do with law, order and "rehabiliation" such as might be fit on a per-case basis.

As for your other thoughts,it does not matter if someone was consuming alcohol or not,no means no.

I absolutely agree. Sadly the reality is that both practice and law differ by some margin from altruism.

I don't speak for Americans,but we are letting these people into our country,Canada, at alarming numbers. I'm sure the numbers are even more inflated,than 2006. Police have re opened numerous rape cases against woman in the last year in Canada.

Why do the numbers alarm you when you add the following?

There is lots of unused land in Canada and it is the second largest land mass in the world.

So I'll add some more facts on immigration.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...killing-of-four-family-members-seek-new-trial

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...ds-guilty-to-24-charges-halfway-through-trial

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/69...d-grooming-gangs-industrial-scale-victims-CSE

It's difficult to use "Express" and "facts" in conjunction - there is no statistically recognised industry in child grooming for them to compare to, they contradict the independent review on the figures and paint a picture from local perception rather than fact. The Rotherham scandal happened, for sure, it's hard to take solid after-the-fact conclusions from that story though.

Honour killings and sextortation... I'll get to that momentarily...

Is this something that is normal in a civilized society?

Yes. Yes it is. People are horrible when you think about it. How to fix humanity isn't an answer you'll find by asking:

Or are we too stupid to see we are actually going backwards with our immigration policies?

The horror seems to be finding that immigrants can be as venal, petty, tribal, murderous and rapey as any other section of the community. It should seem obvious that employing further systems of arbitrary extra-legal retribution, compartmentalisation, stigmatised generalisation and fear-mongering won't actually improve any human problems. It's arguable that those approaches beget the initial problems.

EDIT:

Where did you get the number that in 2006 300,000 women of college age were raped? From a quick look at FBI statistics the number isn't anywhere near that high.

https://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Education/FactsStatistics?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1#reference

 

[killerjimbag]

Immigrants pay the bill too, of course, unless you've got some kind of tax breakdown that shows you personally carry that fiscal load. Which you haven't. That argument has nothing to do with immigration but everything to do with law, order and "rehabiliation" such as might be fit on a per-case basis.

Yeah I do have a tax breakdown. I pay taxes,they don't. I have paid taxes for 40 years and never taken 1 cent from my government. Nothing,nodda,zip. No child tax credits,no HST rebate,no GST rebate. I'm taxed to 🤬 death. My wife and I make too much, according to our Government.When I die I get taxed on that too! I don't know were you live,Canadians are taxed to death. As for the unused land,I guess you haven't looked at a map of "inhabitable" parts of Canada have you! I can take you to parts of Ontario,that you need a float plane to get too. If your accidentally lost,bye,bye!It was an inside joke,that went way over your head.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/03/22/syrian-refugees-federal-budget-2016_n_9525346.html

 

[TenEightyOne]

Yeah I do have a tax breakdown. I pay taxes,they don't.

You're wrong. 20% of your population are immigrants, you're saying that none of them pay tax?

I have paid taxes for 40 years and never taken 1 cent from my government. Nothing,nodda,zip. No child tax credits,no HST rebate,no GST rebate. I'm taxed to 🤬 death. My wife and I make too much, according to our Government.When I die I get taxed on that too! I don't know were you live,Canadians are taxed to death.

I live in a place where I'd pretty much agree with you about the tax... the difference is that I don't presume that the provision of a government is free and that I therefore "don't take a penny".

As for the unused land,I guess you haven't looked at a map of "inhabitable" parts of Canada have you! I can take you to parts of Ontario,that you need a float plane to get too. If your accidentally lost,bye,bye!It was an inside joke,that went way over your head.

Ha ha, I think.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/03/22/syrian-refugees-federal-budget-2016_n_9525346.html

Huh? How would Syrian refugees pay tax until they assimilate and get jobs? That's not what I referred to when I said "immigrants".

 

[killerjimbag]

You're wrong. 20% of your population are immigrants, you're saying that none of them pay tax?

No actually your wrong about %90 of our population immigrated one way or another. I'm a fourth generation Canadian,I know a little more about this country than you.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/immigrants-cost-23b-a-year-fraser-institute-report

Thats from 2011.

However, because the number of immigrants receiving this transfer has increased substantially, the total fiscal burden has risen from $16 to $24 billion in 2005, to $20 to $28 billion in 2010, to $27 to $35 billion in 2014.Most governments are real terrible accountants,so 27 to 35 billion is only an 8 billion possibility.
Its now 2017 and rising,you see the trend? Who the 🤬 do you think pays for this? The immigrants that receive it or me the 40 year tax payer. They get the same health care as me that my taxes pay for,they get baby bonus,that my taxes pay for,I don't,they get free housing,that my taxes pay for,I don't,they get GST,HST rebates,which are taxes I pay,I don't. They don't work,I do. You know who pays for this,me! You see how that works now.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/stu...cal-transfers-to-immigrants-in-canada-in-2014


Here,so explain to me how 3 to 5 times higher average rate is good for this country

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-626-x/11-626-x2015051-eng.htm

Conclusion
Four major findings emerge from this study.

First, 65% to 85% of refugee claimants received social assistance shortly after arriving in Canada.

Second, rates of social assistance receipt among refugee claimants varied more by province of residence and country of citizenship than by family characteristics.

Third, the percentage of refugee claimants receiving social assistance declined considerably with time in Canada. However, four years after arrival, the rate was still three to five times higher than the rate for Canada overall.

Finally, estimates of the percentage of total social assistance expenditures received by refugee claimants ranged from 1.9% to 4.4%.

 

[TenEightyOne]

No actually your wrong about %90 of our population immigrated one way or another. I'm a fourth generation Canadian,I know a little more about this country than you.

It's "you're". 90% of Canadians are immigrants? You're being serious? It doesn't appear that being "fourth generation Canadian" is helping you in this case. 90% of today's Canadian's are not foreign born. You keep making peculiar claim upon peculiar claim, very odd.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/immigrants-cost-23b-a-year-fraser-institute-report

Thats from 2011.

If that's the kind of paper you favour in this argument then it goes some way to explaining your standpoint. Unfortunately the economic prowess of Gruber et al wasn't so robust, it seems, the paper was not peer-reviewed well at all.

Here's the answer to that - the main "headline point" is an ultimate burden of $500 per taxpayer (note that those taxpayers include former refugees!) rather than Gruber et al's $6000. The Javdani cohort is less selectively assessed and the full fiscal return is assessed rather than newsworthy bullet points.

Have fun, then let us know what you think.

 

[killerjimbag]

It's "you're". 90% of Canadians are immigrants? You're being serious? It doesn't appear that being "fourth generation Canadian" is helping you in this case. 90% of today's Canadian's are not foreign born. You keep making peculiar claim upon peculiar claim, very odd.



If that's the kind of paper you favour in this argument then it goes some way to explaining your standpoint. Unfortunately the economic prowess of Gruber et al wasn't so robust, it seems, the paper was not peer-reviewed well at all.

Here's the answer to that - the main "headline point" is an ultimate burden of $500 per taxpayer (note that those taxpayers include former refugees!) rather than Gruber et al's $6000. The Javdani cohort is less selectively assessed and the full fiscal return is assessed rather than newsworthy bullet points.

Have fun, then let us know what you think.

So how do you think Canada came to be. We all just magically popped up in this country,clearly you're not that daft?
If as you say todays number of immigrants is %20 why should we spend 35 billion on them with no return in taxes paid? Should we not spend the 35 billion on Native land transfer reconciliation,taking care of the elderly who actually contributed to the country,you know paying taxes,building the country,or our vetrans who have given their lives so we can have this conversation?
So you give me a copy of a report from July of 2011, I gave you a copy of a report from 2015 that clearly states what you didn't read.


Do you actually think the Government of Canada would say this!

The basic methodology employed in our studies has not been challenged and Jason Kenney, the Minister of Employment and Social Development cited our studies in a speech as providing the evidence for “why we [the Government] fundamentally reformed our immigration system”.

Here is the kicker,man you gotta dig deeper than this,this is funny. So SFU short for Simon Fraser University gave these 3 some money,they did a paper,found a mistake,then New data now available from the 2011 National Household Survey (NHS) has allowed us to update our earlier estimate in order to shed light on the success of the recent major steps taken by the Federal Government to improve the selection of new immigrants to improve their economic prospects. We found that the annual net fiscal transfer to recent immigrants is significantly lower at $5,329 per capita than the $6,000 we had found in our previous analysis. However, because the number of immigrants receiving this transfer has increased substantially, the total fiscal burden has risen from $16 to $24 billion in 2005, to $20 to $28 billion in 2010, to $27 to $35 billion in 2014.

Metropolis BC also receives funding from the Ministry of Advanced Education (AVED) of the Government of British Columbia. Grants from Simon Fraser University, the University of British Columbia and the University of Victoria provide additional support to the Centre. Views expressed in this manuscript are those of the author(s) alone. For more information, contact the Co-directors of the Centre, Krishna Pendakur, Department of Economics, SFU (pendakur@sfu.ca) and Daniel Hiebert, Department of Geography, UBC (daniel.hiebert@ubc.ca).

Here are the 3 dummies that wrote this.
Series editor: Linda Sheldon, SFU; Krishna Pendakur, SFU and Daniel Hiebert, UBC, Co-directors

Now even funnier is the person who wrote the report I posted is non other than,drum roll

Herbert Grubel
Professor Emeritus of Economics, Simon Fraser University.
Yeah he's not qualified.
Herbert Grubel
–
Professor Emeritus of Economics, Simon Fraser University
Herbert G. Grubel is a Senior Fellow at The Fraser Institute, and Professor Emeritus of Economics, Simon Fraser University. He has a B.A. from Rutgers University and a Ph.D. in economics from Yale University. He has taught full-time at Stanford University, the University of Chicago, and the University of Pennsylvania; and has had temporary appointments at universities in Berlin, Singapore, Cape Town, Nairobi, Oxford, and Canberra. Herbert Grubel was the Reform Party Member of Parliament for Capliano-Howe Sound from 1993 to 1997, serving as the Finance Critic from 1995 to 1997. He has published 16 books and 180 professional articles in economics dealing with international trade and finance and a wide range of economic policy issues.

Yeah I'll stop laughing in about an hour.
Are we done now!

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Are we done now!

Done trying to ascertain the point you're trying to make when you post impenetrable walls of text that are mixes of your own opinion and copy/pastes from the source, with random text decoration applied, yes.

Here's a bit from the source @TenEightyOne posted:

One of the common issues contested by analysts and policymakers is whether immigrants fully pay —in terms of taxes—for the public services they use. The Fraser Institute recently released a study (Grady and Grubel 2011) that estimates the fiscal burden created by immigrants arriving in Canada between 1987 and 2004. The central finding of this study is that “in the fiscal year 2005/2006 immigrants on average received an excess of $6,051 in benefits over taxes paid”, or, as high as $23 billion per year for the nearly four million post-1986 immigrants to Canada.

This brief report identifies some of the issues related to the internal and external validity of the study performed by Grady and Grubel. There are a number of errors and inconsistencies in their analysis, and this report presents a corrected estimate of the fiscal transfer that they sought to estimate. Grady and Grubel present results on the fiscal transfer between all Canadian residents and recent immigrants, as defined as the difference in taxes paid between these groups less the difference in benefits received.

They find essentially no difference in benefits received between all Canadian residents and immigrants. We also find that immigrants who arrived between 1987 and 2004 received similar benefits on average to those received by all Canadian residents. Since benefits are found to be similar between groups, their result hinges on the large estimate of the difference in taxes paid, which is $6,161 per immigrant. However, the results presented by Grady and Grubel on taxes paid have arithmetic errors (apparently typographical in origin).

Correcting these arithmetic errors results in a difference of $5,473 in taxes paid per immigrant. Further, Grady and Grubel use an educated guess for the amount of property taxes paid by immigrants. However, data are available on the property values of immigrant households, and use of this data results in a difference of $5,089 in average per capita taxes per immigrant. Grady and Grubel investigate only recent immigrants, who are younger than the immigrant population as a whole. To the extent that their youth results in lower incomes, and their lower incomes result in lower tax revenues, it would be more revealing to examine the entire immigrant population, so as to capture their entire life cycle of incomes. If one investigates the taxes paid by immigrants who entered Canada between 1970 and 2004 (instead of between 1987 and 2004), we see a difference of $2,470 per immigrant.

We also find that immigrants who entered Canada between 1970 and 2004 receive an average of $345 less in benefits than do all Canadian residents. We also argue that comparing the taxes paid by immigrants to those of all Canadian residents and computing a fiscal transfer is somewhat misleading because the group of all Canadian residents includes immigrants, therefore it is not a transfer from one group to another. Apart from Canadian-born residents and immigrants who entered Canada between 1987 and 2004, the sample of all Canadian residents also includes non-immigrant residents, immigrants who entered Canada before 1987, and immigrants who entered Canada in 2005 (with incomplete reported income and income tax).

These people are irrelevant to the calculation of fiscal transfer and serve only to bias the results. A more relevant comparison would be between the taxes paid by Canadian-born people and those paid by immigrants. For immigrants who entered Canada between 1970 and 2004, this difference is $2,696 per immigrant. Turning to the benefits received, we find that these immigrants received an average of $554 less in benefits than did the Canadian-born.

Finally, some tax revenue goes to support pure public goods, such as National Defense and basic research. For public goods, the tax revenue generated from immigrants is essentially “free money” for the Canadian born. Previous estimates of how much revenue goes to public goods range from about 5% to 20%. Our preferred estimate, which assumes that public goods account for 10% of revenue, reduces the fiscal transfer to immigrants by $1692. Adding all of this together, we find a fiscal transfer from Canadian-born people to immigrants of $450 per immigrant.

I'm a sixth-generation Canadian: you and I are not immigrants. I live in a city where 51% of the population wasn't born in Canada. Crime rates have also gone down over the years (at least as of this article, which cites 2013). I know that doesn't jive with the narrative some want to have about immigration, but hey, maybe the overly-polite Canadian cliché is rubbing off on would-be serial killers?

Toronto isn't without its problems — the real estate boom is locking young people out of house ownership at the ages our parents could afford it, and young immigrant unemployment rates are still higher than city and country averages. Though I wonder how many are working under the table, as our utterly massive restaurant industry runs on a lot of cash.

 

[mister dog]

 

[killerjimbag]

Done trying to ascertain the point you're trying to make when you post impenetrable walls of text that are mixes of your own opinion and copy/pastes from the source, with random text decoration applied, yes.

Here's a bit from the source @TenEightyOne posted:



I'm a sixth-generation Canadian: you and I are not immigrants. I live in a city where 51% of the population wasn't born in Canada. Crime rates have also gone down over the years (at least as of this article, which cites 2013). I know that doesn't jive with the narrative some want to have about immigration, but hey, maybe the overly-polite Canadian cliché is rubbing off on would-be serial killers?

Toronto isn't without its problems — the real estate boom is locking young people out of house ownership at the ages our parents could afford it, and young immigrant unemployment rates are still higher than city and country averages. Though I wonder how many are working under the table, as our utterly massive restaurant industry runs on a lot of cash.

His article is from 2011,correct!
The article I posted is from 2015,corrected to add the $671.What part are you missing? It's now 2017.It cost's even more now.
Please don't try to explain to me how an Economics Professor, who was also part of the Reform party as it"s Finance Critic is wrong.You know as well as I do, we don't have the money,the job's nor the housing. Ontario is swallowing itself slowly in debt.People can't even pay their electricity bills that have jobs. We don't need more immigration,you said it yourself,young immigrant unemployment rates are still higher than city and country averages.Yes it's true,should we house them ,in Kapuskasing, Sudbury,Sauble Beach were there is even less work! It is only a matter of time before we have the same problems as Europe,high unemployment amongst high immigration population. Tick,tick,boom.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Here are the 3 dummies that wrote this.

Series editor: Linda Sheldon, SFU; Krishna Pendakur, SFU and Daniel Hiebert, UBC, Co-directors

So they are - two of whom are Professors of Economics at SFU. How about that?

Dummies, apparently. Clearly your own PhD. is far worthier?

Now even funnier is the person who wrote the report I posted is non other than,drum roll

...the suspense!...

Herbert Grubel
Professor Emeritus of Economics, Simon Fraser University.

Oh. Ah. A professor of economics from the same university. An ex-professor in fact, but that's not relevant.

Yeah I'll stop laughing in about an hour.

Splendid.

Are we done now!

I think you've outdone yourself, both literally and figuratively.

@SlipZtrEm said everything else that needed to be said.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

His article is from 2011,correct!

Yes, yes it was. As it was a response to the 2011 article you posted, that would make sense.

Please don't try to explain to me how an Economics Professor, who was also part of the Reform party as it"s Finance Critic is wrong.

Are you suggesting that his post precludes him from being wrong? The Reform party was a right-wing populist group: is it any wonder its Finance Critic would come to such a conclusion? Did you even read the quoted part of my post?

You know as well as I do, we don't have the money,the job's nor the housing.

Huh? Southern Ontario is experiencing a housing boom, and unemployment levels have steadily been declining for a while now.

People can't even pay their electricity bills that have jobs.

I can quite comfortably pay my electricity bill, and I know I'm not in the upper half of yearly wages in Canada.

We don't need more immigration,you said it yourself,young immigrant unemployment rates are still higher than city and country averages.

Key word: young. Key point: that was a report on only Toronto.

Yes it's true,should we house them ,in Kapuskasing, Sudbury,Sauble Beach were there is even less work!

...are you literally just picking random locations now?

It is only a matter of time before we have the same problems as Europe,high unemployment amongst high immigration population. Tick,tick,boom.

So why is Canada's unemployment rate going down, then?

 

[killerjimbag]

Yes, yes it was. As it was a response to the 2011 article you posted, that would make sense.



Are you suggesting that his post precludes him from being wrong? The Reform party was a right-wing populist group: is it any wonder its Finance Critic would come to such a conclusion? Did you even read the quoted part of my post?



Huh? Southern Ontario is experiencing a housing boom, and unemployment levels have steadily been declining for a while now.



I can quite comfortably pay my electricity bill, and I know I'm not in the upper half of yearly wages in Canada.



Key word: young. Key point: that was a report on only Toronto.



...are you literally just picking random locations now?



So why is Canada's unemployment rate going down, then?

Here is the correct report.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/stu...cal-transfers-to-immigrants-in-canada-in-2014

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Did you even read the quoted part of my post?

That's a no, then.

 

[mister dog]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4272510/Mother-took-child-refugee-threatened-kill-her.html

How on earth can a grown man pass as a 12 year old and be given asylum on that premise
Don't these people have eyes?

edit: and in other news; Paul Joseph Watson made sure Tim Pool (a journalist), was funded 2000 bucks to go check out he situation in Sweden's no go areas for himself. Looking at what he has been posting on his twitter feed these last days it will be quite the documentary:

https://twitter.com/Timcast/

Can't wait to see the end result.

 

[TenEightyOne]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4272510/Mother-took-child-refugee-threatened-kill-her.html

How on earth can a grown man pass as a 12 year old and be given asylum on that premise
Don't these people have eyes?

edit: and in other news; Paul Joseph Watson made sure Tim Pool (a journalist), was funded 2000 bucks to go check out he situation in Sweden's no go areas for himself. Looking at what he has been posting on his twitter feed these last days it will be quite the documentary:

https://twitter.com/Timcast/

Can't wait to see the end result.

Interesting video. You didn't mention that he's telepathic (or it genuinely took 1.5 seconds for the police officer to tell him that 50 people were masking up and inbound and would be here very soon and there would be trouble). Nor did you mention that, as with the ABC coverage, he was standing with a known anti-Muslim protestor ("they recognised me... they knew who I was").

"They're covering their faces!" he said. I pull my scarf up if I pass a TV camera filming in the street, I just don't want to be on TV. I don't even come from a place where the police can make you "go missing" as easily.

I can see how the fallout from this bunkum is going to be.

 

[mister dog]

Interesting video. You didn't mention that he's telepathic (or it genuinely took 1.5 seconds for the police officer to tell him that 50 people were masking up and inbound and would be here very soon and there would be trouble). Nor did you mention that, as with the ABC coverage, he was standing with a known anti-Muslim protestor ("they recognised me... they knew who I was").

"They're covering their faces!" he said. I pull my scarf up if I pass a TV camera filming in the street, I just don't want to be on TV. I don't even come from a place where the police can make you "go missing" as easily.

I can see how the fallout from this bunkum is going to be.

Yup nothing to see there. But there's this:



And this:



Or this:



(So it shows all sides of the story supposedly). So like I said, I'm looking forward to seeing his documentary.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Yup nothing to see there. But there's this:

If those are "no go" areas I could show you plenty more... especially ones where an immigrant would definitely fear to tread. Perhaps we should wait for the balance of his reporting before picking bits out?

And this:

That's interestingly far lower than some estimates we've seen here.

(So it shows all sides of the story supposedly). So like I said, I'm looking forward to seeing his documentary.

That's a strange side of the story to show... what does that have to do with the "no-go" areas?

 

[mister dog]

(So it shows all sides of the story supposedly). So like I said, I'm looking forward to seeing his documentary.

 

[TenEightyOne]

All I asked was what does that woman's feelings about walking in Malmo at night have to do with the price of fish?

 

[Scaff]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4272510/Mother-took-child-refugee-threatened-kill-her.html

How on earth can a grown man pass as a 12 year old and be given asylum on that premise
Don't these people have eyes?

Old story that's been rehashed.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.da...-refugee-orphan-cared-21-year-old-jihadi.html

Have guess how much evidence has been provided to support a single part of that story.

Seems his name's changed and he can no longer field strip a gun (not surprised they dropped that but given that it would be impossible to access one in the UK), otherwise the same story, and still no evidence other than a woman who will not provide a bit of supporting evidence and is now changing parts of the story.

 

[killerjimbag]

http://www.dw.com/en/eight-iraqi-men-found-guilty-of-gang-raping-german-woman-in-austria/a-37783852
Interesting

 

[LeMansAid]

http://www.dw.com/en/eight-iraqi-men-found-guilty-of-gang-raping-german-woman-in-austria/a-37783852
Interesting

It could be argued that it was an immigration success story.

I imagine that they didn't suddenly become willing to rape upon entering Austria - meaning that they could have been expected to rape people in Iraq, had they stayed there. Personally, I believe that they were always more likely to be caught and locked up in Austria, rather than in Iraq.

Job done.

It seems logical to me that them being in Austria, and not Iraq, may well have resulted in suffering for less people, and that the only way to sway it to a story of immigration failure is to hold that Austrian lives are of greater value than Iraqi lives.

 

[DLR_Mysterion]

It could be argued that it was an immigration success story.

I imagine that they didn't suddenly become willing to rape upon entering Austria - meaning that they could have been expected to rape people in Iraq, had they stayed there. Personally, I believe that they were always more likely to be caught and locked up in Austria, rather than in Iraq.

Job done.

It seems logical to me that them being in Austria, and not Iraq, may well have resulted in suffering for less people, and that the only way to sway it to a story of immigration failure is to hold that Austrian lives are of greater value than Iraqi lives.

That's a bit of a stretch

 

[killerjimbag]

It could be argued that it was an immigration success story.

I imagine that they didn't suddenly become willing to rape upon entering Austria - meaning that they could have been expected to rape people in Iraq, had they stayed there. Personally, I believe that they were always more likely to be caught and locked up in Austria, rather than in Iraq.

Job done.

It seems logical to me that them being in Austria, and not Iraq, may well have resulted in suffering for less people, and that the only way to sway it to a story of immigration failure is to hold that Austrian lives are of greater value than Iraqi lives.

What? A success story? You seem to think someone getting brutally raped is a success story,for whom. The girl? The jurors,the first responders,the court system,all probably traumatized from the brutal assault committed by a bunch of 🤬 animals! It could be expected that it caused less suffering of Iraqi lives? Are you serious? Chances are that the probably did it in Iraq already and never got caught,because of that little problem going on over there.Who actually cares if their from Iraq or Canada or Poland. They "Iraqi" "immigrants" immigrated to Austria, the vetting process or lack of it allowed these animals to commit unthinkable crimes in Austria.I'm sure the lives of the women in Iraq have been traumatized also. By the way, she was German,not Austrian. But to even think of writing an argument that it was an "immigration success story" boggles my mind.

 

[TenEightyOne]

What? A success story? You seem to think someone getting brutally raped is a success story,for whom. The girl? The jurors,the first responders,the court system,all probably traumatized from the brutal assault committed by a bunch of 🤬 animals! It could be expected that it caused less suffering of Iraqi lives? Are you serious? Chances are that the probably did it in Iraq already and never got caught,because of that little problem going on over there.

Which was precisely @LeMansAid's point, I thought. You contradict yourself in your post, which doesn't help.

They "Iraqi" "immigrants" immigrated to Austria, the vetting process or lack of it allowed these animals to commit unthinkable crimes in Austria.I'm sure the lives of the women in Iraq have been traumatized also. By the way, she was German,not Austrian. But to even think of writing an argument that it was an "immigration success story" boggles my mind.

You clearly can't see the point he was making then - it was a good one. How would vetting work given that it would rely on either a) a criminal record in Iraq (which I think you've discounted the possibility of) or b) mind-reading?

 

[DLR_Mysterion]

By that argument I guess this article shows that Sweden's immigration policy is a success story?

http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/01/yes-violent-crime-spiked-sweden-since-open-immigration/

 

[killerjimbag]

Which was precisely @LeMansAid's point, I thought. You contradict yourself in your post, which doesn't help.



You clearly can't see the point he was making then - it was a good one. How would vetting work given that it would rely on either a) a criminal record in Iraq (which I think you've discounted the possibility of) or b) mind-reading?

Yeah it's clearly a success story! I guess some mind readers are at work!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ration-military-forces-migrants-a7568736.html

http://m.dw.com/en/austria-allies-to-fortify-borders-against-refugees/a-37463288

https://qz.com/635110/these-are-the-routes-being-closed-off-to-refugees-fleeing-into-europe/

 

[TenEightyOne]

Yeah it's clearly a success story!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ration-military-forces-migrants-a7568736.html

http://m.dw.com/en/austria-allies-to-fortify-borders-against-refugees/a-37463288

https://qz.com/635110/these-are-the-routes-being-closed-off-to-refugees-fleeing-into-europe/

Well... you're still missing the point of the post that you originally replied to. In fact you seem to have changed the subject almost altogether.

 

[killerjimbag]

Well... you're still missing the point of the post that you originally replied to. In fact you seem to have changed the subject almost altogether.

Changed the subject? Does he have any conclusive facts or articles to say it's a "success"
What point? Clearly it's not a success that anyone gets raped,assaulted,houses broken into,theft,etc,etc,etc. Regardless of what country they came from and the unfortunate people that incured it in their country.Why do you think their closing borders? Clearly, some of the worst people on the planet are trying to migrate to foreign countries. Terrorists,rapists,thieves et all. We now have people trudging across the boarder into Canada in the dead of winter illegally!Maybe Trump is smarter than some people think! But he's the bad guy,when parts of Europe are closing borders.

 

[novcze]

By that argument I guess this article shows that Sweden's immigration policy is a success story?

http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/01/yes-violent-crime-spiked-sweden-since-open-immigration/

This only shows how politicians don't care about citizens of their country. They don't live anywhere near immigrants yet ordinary people are supposed to endure all sorts of cultural enrichment .

Yeah it's clearly a success story!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ration-military-forces-migrants-a7568736.html

http://m.dw.com/en/austria-allies-to-fortify-borders-against-refugees/a-37463288

Germany went bonkers so former Austro-Hungarian Empire have to do something .

I'm still shocked how it's possible to have people from unknown states, roaming inside the EU without any papers. If we catch someone without papers in Czech Republic, they are detained. No excuse.