Immigration

[Carbonox]

Speaking of Japan, despite the small numbers even they've had a gang rape already.

 

[Encyclopedia]

But what are the "extremes"?

By extremes I mean far right parties/rethoric.

Or are rape statistics (which again on this forum are being blamed almost solely on reporting methods despite evidence to the contrary) and conclusions drawn on them "extreme"?

Well there's certainly a strong willingness to ignore the reporting methods and differences in definition by a lot of people. Instead puttingg the blame squarely on immigrants/refugees. The immigrant = rapist narrative is certainly extreme in my opinion.

 

[Johnnypenso]

By extremes I mean far right parties/rethoric.



Well there's certainly a strong willingness to ignore the reporting methods and differences in definition by a lot of people. Instead puttingg the blame squarely on immigrants/refugees. The immigrant = rapist narrative is certainly extreme in my opinion.

Immigrant = rapist would be extreme...if anyone was saying that. Immigrant = higher chance of being rapist, if true, would be a statistic worth discussing.

 

[Encyclopedia]

Immigrant = rapist would be extreme...if anyone was saying that. Immigrant = higher chance of being rapist, if true, would be a statistic worth discussing.

Maybe not outright, but there's plenty of associating being done.

 

[Dennisch]

Swedish Police officer has a rant on Facebook.

 

[LeMansAid]

I don't think the future is bleak as long as we can avoid the extremes.

By extremes I mean far right parties/rethoric.

You were on to something until you explained what you meant.

The extremes in both directions offer utter nonsense. It's dangerous to not call out either of them, it's even more dangerous to only call out one of them. We could maybe call the former a soft implied validation for both sides, and the latter a hard implied validation for the side not outed. Not good.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Swedish Police officer has a rant on Facebook.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/immigration.328725/page-48#post-11704314

 

[Dennisch]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/immigration.328725/page-48#post-11704314

It has come to my attention that this has been posted.

 

[doblocruiser]

Swedish Police officer has a rant on Facebook.

Ask around in every major city in Europe and you'll probably get the same response. Go figure where we are...

 

[Dennisch]

Ask around in every major city in Europe and you'll probably get the same response. Go figure where we are...

We've had a discussion here that our Police forces were using racial profiling while on the job. Those who went all tumblr about this were quickly shut up when facts and figures got thrown at them as it turned out that, and I've posted the figures here before, the majority of criminals here are of non- Dutch origin. Politicians first demanded an investigation but all talking about it quickly died.

 

[doblocruiser]

Maybe elections the 15th of March are going to change something?

 

[Dennisch]

Maybe elections the 15th of March are going to change something?

Nope. As all major parties already ruled out working with the PVV of Geert Wilders, and those parties are either lying left wingers still trying to save Africa with more and more money, or lying right wingers who use the PVV's ideas during the elections only to never speak about it after they've won.

Only difference is that this time it seems that the PVV is heading for massive win, but unless they win 76 seats, which is 51% of the votes, they're going to be the opposition yet again.

But. And this is one everyone knows, politicians aren't to be trusted so I can still see PM Rutte flipflopping into a union with Wilders.

 

[doblocruiser]

Only difference would be is that Wilders would be leading and not that wet towel Rutte

 

[Dennisch]

If Wilders tries to be a bit more nuanced he could win over a couple of more hesitant voters.

 

[Encyclopedia]

You were on to something until you explained what you meant.

The extremes in both directions offer utter nonsense. It's dangerous to not call out either of them, it's even more dangerous to only call out one of them. We could maybe call the former a soft implied validation for both sides, and the latter a hard implied validation for the side not outed. Not good.

I agree that extremes on both are bad. I just think far right extremism is worse. It certainly seems so in Sweden at least. I didn't want to equate them. Maybe I should have for clarity
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But like I said, there's more nuance now. More middle ground in the public discourse in Sweden. There's not just the extreme voices anymore. I think it bodes well for the future.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Maybe not outright, but there's plenty of associating being done.

Right. So no one said it but if you throw out a dubious "association" it'll conform your bias enough for you to proceed as if they did.

 

[Fredzy]

I agree that extremes on both are bad. I just think far right extremism is worse. It certainly seems so in Sweden at least. I didn't want to equate them. Maybe I should have for clarity
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But like I said, there's more nuance now. More middle ground in the public discourse in Sweden. There's not just the extreme voices anymore. I think it bodes well for the future.

I think the main difference between the two extremes is their primary means of killing innocent people. One extreme does most of the murdering in a very deliberate, systematic way. The other does it mostly by starving its own people, (oops!) though systematic murder of millions is still on the menu.

 

[Encyclopedia]

Right. So no one said it but if you throw out a dubious "association" it'll conform your bias enough for you to proceed as if they did.

Yes plenty of people say it. I'm not talking about Gtplanet here but internet at large. Making huge over generalizations about immigrants is very popular.

I think the main difference between the two extremes is their primary means of killing innocent people. One extreme does most of the murdering in a very deliberate, systematic way. The other does it mostly by starving its own people, (oops!) though systematic murder of millions is still on the menu.

I speaking in the context of Sweden today. Nothing else.

 

[Fredzy]

I speaking in the context of Sweden today. Nothing else.

Yea the last time I was in Sweden, there wasn't too much genocide going on. But man was everything expensive.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yea the last time I was in Sweden, there wasn't too much genocide going on...

 

[DLR_Mysterion]

Left Wing Swedish Newspaper Journalist Attacked in ‘No Go Zone’

Probably provoked them somehow

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/21/swedish-newspaper-photographer-attacked-no-go-zone/

 

[Carbonox]

Germany to finally start checking asylum seekers' phones for identification purposes:

https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d6b7a4d77596a4d/share_p.html?t=1487663536411

Amazing that they never thought to do that before. I wonder how many fairytales have already been taken for granted because their papers were oh-so-conveniently lost at sea and no other identification methods have been possible.

 

[Dotini]

Germany to finally start checking asylum seekers' phones for identification purposes:

https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d6b7a4d77596a4d/share_p.html?t=1487663536411

Amazing that they never thought to do that before. I wonder how many fairytales have already been taken for granted because their papers were oh-so-conveniently lost at sea and no other identification methods have been possible.

Wasn't Germany the original source of fairytales? Or Scotland?

 

[Touring Mars]

Germany to finally start checking asylum seekers' phones for identification purposes:

https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d6b7a4d77596a4d/share_p.html?t=1487663536411

Brings a whole new meaning to the expression 'phoney identification'....

The expression 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted' springs to mind as well.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Wasn't Germany the original source of fairytales? Or Scotland?

The term is French, the origin is wherever there have been people

Germany to finally start checking asylum seekers' phones for identification purposes:

https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d6b7a4d77596a4d/share_p.html?t=1487663536411

Amazing that they never thought to do that before.

According to your link they did, they just made it a consensual provision... which seems a bit half-arsed.

Brings a whole new meaning to the expression 'phoney identification'....

Here, your coat.

 

[mister dog]

More about Sweden from our angry foreigner:

 

[killerjimbag]

Well, let's see here. Maybe no one read these.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-gang-raped-drunk-woman.html#article-4248492

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3973831?client=ms-android-bell-ca

Then they say that they shouldn't have used Syrian refugee in the report. Ok,we let you and your family into our country, we paid to fly your family here,we fed you, clothed you,gave you shelter. This is his response for our kindness? Molest little girls,you sick 🤬 Go to trial,when your convicted, your going back to your country. 🤬 you,we don't need that in Canada. I hope they shoot your sorry ass when you get off the plane, or a nice Canadian convict takes care of you in jail. They don't like child molesters in jail over here!
Now we have them coming over the border because of America cracking down on illegals. They are going to freeze to death or get shot by a farmer.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/expect-more-illegal-border-crossings-in-spring-lawyer-1.3294512

 

[TenEightyOne]

Well, let's see here. Maybe no one read these.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4248492/Family-Iraqi-asylum-seekers-gang-raped-drunk-woman.html#article-4248492

Yup, that's a crime that happened, although the article seems to suggest some element of force. See the coverage of the Ched Evans case for where the "rape" line gets really really murky after alcohol.

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3973831?client=ms-android-bell-ca

Then they say that they shouldn't have used Syrian refugee in the report.

I agree with you, the facts should have been reported. That's especially true with the USA having so much sex crime already - in the 2006 stats 300,000 women of college age were raped. The USA can't afford to let a single person in from anywhere until they clear that mess up.

Ok,we let you and your family into our country, we paid to fly your family here,we fed you, clothed you,gave you shelter. This is his response for our kindness? Molest little girls,you sick 🤬 Go to trial,when your convicted, your going back to your country. 🤬 you,we don't need that in Canada. I hope they shoot your sorry ass when you get off the plane, or a nice Canadian convict takes care of you in jail. They don't like child molesters in jail over here!
Now we have them coming over the border because of America cracking down on illegals. They are going to freeze to death or get shot by a farmer.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/expect-more-illegal-border-crossings-in-spring-lawyer-1.3294512

...and then we get into a rant, you hope they are shot (and by implication killed) or attacked (and by implication raped).

Murder and rape still aren't okay just because you've authorised the perpetrators from people you consider natural lawgivers.

 

[killerjimbag]

...and then we get into a rant, you hope they are shot (and by implication killed) or attacked (and by implication raped).

Murder and rape still aren't okay just because you've authorised the perpetrators from people you consider natural lawgivers.

A rant,hardly. I guess you have never been to a Canadian or American jail?He will be dealt with,if put into general population.Trust me I know! Convicts and Guards have children too!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/douglas-garland-attacked-in-prison-1.3989927

I authorized nothing,don't put words in my mouth,if I had my way,32 cents for a bullet would take care of lots of child molesters,rapists,murderers,regardless if they are immigrants or born here.But I guess we are a little bit more civilized than that.
Did we not save this man and his family from getting bombed,starved,shot at,from his own people and lawgivers that were trying to kill them in their own country! Isn't that the reason they fled to Canada,to leave that barbaric, repressive, life behind? Now his children and wife, have no one to look to for support,money,etc,etc.Who pays the bills now?We do! We pay to house him in jail,to feed him,protect him and then deport him when his sentence is up! Get it now!
Don't even get into natural or what ever lawgivers, what, like the ones that stone woman to death,cut off hands for theft,behead people,kill or jail gays,marry children,burn and kill their daughters because they didn't marry right,or wore wrong clothes,what like those ones? Yeah,those civilized societies people are trying to flee!

As for your other thoughts,it does not matter if someone was consuming alcohol or not,no means no.
I don't speak for Americans,but we are letting these people into our country,Canada, at alarming numbers. I'm sure the numbers are even more inflated,than 2006. Police have re opened numerous rape cases against woman in the last year in Canada.

So I'll add some more facts on immigration.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...killing-of-four-family-members-seek-new-trial

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...ds-guilty-to-24-charges-halfway-through-trial

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/69...d-grooming-gangs-industrial-scale-victims-CSE

Is this something that is normal in a civilized society? Or are we too stupid to see we are actually going backwards with our immigration policies? I have a daughter in University and a niece and grand daughter. There is lots of unused land in Canada and it is the second largest land mass in the world. Welcome to Canada!

 

[Spurgy 777]

Yup, that's a crime that happened, although the article seems to suggest some element of force. See the coverage of the Ched Evans case for where the "rape" line gets really really murky after alcohol.



I agree with you, the facts should have been reported. That's especially true with the USA having so much sex crime already - in the 2006 stats 300,000 women of college age were raped. The USA can't afford to let a single person in from anywhere until they clear that mess up.



...and then we get into a rant, you hope they are shot (and by implication killed) or attacked (and by implication raped).

Murder and rape still aren't okay just because you've authorised the perpetrators from people you consider natural lawgivers.

Where did you get the number that in 2006 300,000 women of college age were raped? From a quick look at FBI statistics the number isn't anywhere near that high.