Immigration

[urmie]

Send refugees to Saudi Arabia? Are you kidding?

I'd imagine a large number of people already there would love to leave Saudi Arabia if they could.

Actually maybe you're right, I was thinking of the wealth of these countries, not so much other things.

 

[Dennisch]

A truck found yesterday along a highway in Austria contained the remains of more than 70 immigrants. They most likely all died of suffocation.

Edit.

And another 200 or more drowned when their boat capsized off the coast of Libya.

 

[Dotini]

IMO, all these refugees from the Middle East are migrating because of the 2003 invasion and war in Iraq and the subsequent developments including failed states in Libya, Syria and elsewhere. It was George W Bush (and Tony Blair) who caused and started the war. Therefore, ALL of the refugees should be hosted and/or paid for by the US and Britain.

 

[BobK]

ALL of the refugees should be hosted and/or paid for by the US and Britain.

You can pay for it, then. Keep your hands out of MY pocket, though.

 

[urmie]

IMO, all these refugees from the Middle East are migrating because of the 2003 invasion and war in Iraq and the subsequent developments including failed states in Libya, Syria and elsewhere. It was George W Bush (and Tony Blair) who caused and started the war. Therefore, ALL of the refugees should be hosted and/or paid for by the US and Britain.

So the leaders of these failed countries have no culpability, let's just blame USA and Europe? Come on now.
Russia, Iran and China have their hands in Syria, they have plenty of land, except nobody wants to go there, these migrants actually all want to head to Germany. I think there needs to be a distinction between war refugees and economic migrants. Those for economic reasons should follow legal means but that's not going to happen when they are ripping up their passports and claiming asylum.

For those who wish to really better their lives, work hard, really take in a countries' culture/laws, those I can say let in and help. Those who wish to remain stubborn/ignorant, "their religion/culture is the best", etc., etc., go somewhere else.

Once the migrants realize its more dangerous to emigrate, maybe they will start solving their countries problems themselves.

 

[Dotini]

So the leaders of these failed countries have no culpability, let's just blame USA and Europe? .

Yes, the countries the US and Europe attacked and invaded have no culpability. The fault is entirely on us, we changed regimes and directly caused their failed state status, and we should bear the responsibility of dealing with the refugee crisis we created, no question about it.

Too bad all those refugees cannot fit into the homes of GW Bush and Tony Blair. The people in whose names the blunder was committed are unfortunately obliged to bear the costs.

 

[Liquid]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate the juxtaposition, and difference in reporting, of the story about the dog and the story about the migrants?

 

[polysmut]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate the juxtaposition, and difference in reporting, of the story about the dog and the story about the migrants?

I'd also be wary of the claim that the danger of fizzy drinks was revealed yesterday. I've been suspicious of them for ages.

 

[Dotini]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11836310/EU-migration-crisis-live.html
a summary of today's key events:

1. Nigel Farage warned this morning that the EU had opened the door to an "exodus of biblical proportions."
2. It later emerged that Germany has registered more than 3,500 refugees in the last day alone
3. Meanwhile 350,000 migrants have crossed the Mediterranean since January, IOM figures revealed
4. Yvette Cooper this afternoon called on "Britain to be Britain" by taking in 10,000 refugees
5. Greece announced it has been forced to move 4,000 migrants onto the mainland as the Aegean islands are "overwhelmed"
6. Bulgarian police this afternoon arrested one person in connection with case of an abadoned lorry containing 71 dead migrants
7. This evening, Germans welcomed refugees arriving in Munich with food, water, nappies and teddy bears

 

[Liquid]

Lots of work going on at the Austria/Slovakia Vienna/Bratislava border too.* Had a reminder at the pub quiz tonight for some donations for the camp in East Vienna; they get fed and hydrated well enough but there's a shortage of clothes. The camp in Budapest is in... not quite as good a condition.

*Particularly when that van full of dead migrants who started dying 30 mins into the journey was near the Slovak border and it was a Slovak registered company using Hungarian licence plates and Romanian staff

 

[A2K78]

This is pure awesomeness...

 

[A2K78]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11836310/EU-migration-crisis-live.html
a summary of today's key events:

1. Nigel Farage warned this morning that the EU had opened the door to an "exodus of biblical proportions."
2. It later emerged that Germany has registered more than 3,500 refugees in the last day alone
3. Meanwhile 350,000 migrants have crossed the Mediterranean since January, IOM figures revealed
4. Yvette Cooper this afternoon called on "Britain to be Britain" by taking in 10,000 refugees
5. Greece announced it has been forced to move 4,000 migrants onto the mainland as the Aegean islands are "overwhelmed"
6. Bulgarian police this afternoon arrested one person in connection with case of an abadoned lorry containing 71 dead migrants
7. This evening, Germans welcomed refugees arriving in Munich with food, water, nappies and teddy bears

Merkel is stupid for blindly accept the migrants like that however when reality finally kicks in she'll regret it. For those european nations refusing to take the migrants, then good because least they see the stupidity in germany's policy.

 

[DK]

This is pure awesomeness...

Can you summarise that for those of us who may not have access to YouTube, or ~14 minutes to spend watching that?

 

[A2K78]

Ron Paul demonstrate how:

- How european governments are contributing to the problem(see my criticism of Merkel)

- How American foreign policy e.g. bombing syria,iraq, and libya made the problem possible

Speaking of, the other day I watching DWTV and was shocked at their reaction, essentially denouncing those who don't agree with Merkel as being xenophobes. Like I said when reality finally kicks in they to would see the stupidity of their views.

 

[lxmmy]

Merkel is stupid for blindly accept the migrants like that however when reality finally kicks in she'll regret it.

She did the right thing. When migrants who are escaping a war torn country are cramped in a lorry hoping by the time they reach the EU they have not suffocated to death, while we sit in comfort and watch tabloids make an income by printing constant stories on this crisis.

For those european nations refusing to take the migrants, then good because least they see the stupidity in germany's policy.

While they refuse, lets see more migrants toll up in camps on the borders which the living conditions gradually deteriorate and risk life and limb to enter their country.

 

[Dotini]

She did the right thing.

So why don't Cameron (and the UK) do the right thing and open up to 800,000 refugees/year??
After all, the UK is at the root cause of this conflict that has generated the greatest mass human migration since WWII.

Oh, by the way, the US (also at the root cause) accepts 1000 Syrians/year out of our overall annual refugee intake of 60,000/yr.

 

[Dennisch]

The Eastern Europe Union members are refusing the quota set to divide the refugees equally.

Can you hear that union crumbling?

 

[Dotini]

Can you hear that union crumbling?

Yes. That union is currently defying its own laws, openly at war with itself. Is it a failed union that was never meant to be?

 

[novcze]

Czech police write numbers on arms of migrants 'like concentration camp prisoners'

... no ****, they are all illegal aliens and they don't have any ID with them and they:

"used to get the numbers on a piece of paper but they kept throwing them away"

and

"Unlike some other EU member states, Czech authorities maintain that migrants who enter the country without first having made an asylum request should be returned to the state from which they arrived, in line with the EU's Dublin Provision."


So European countries which follow the law are somehow bad, good work EU.

and

"The overwhelming majority of Czechs oppose hosting refugees, according to an August survey by local polling agency Focus in which 93 percent of respondents said they should be returned to their country of origin."

 

[mirial]

Yes, the countries the US and Europe attacked and invaded have no culpability. The fault is entirely on us, we changed regimes and directly caused their failed state status, and we should bear the responsibility of dealing with the refugee crisis we created, no question about it.

Too bad all those refugees cannot fit into the homes of GW Bush and Tony Blair. The people in whose names the blunder was committed are unfortunately obliged to bear the costs.

Had there been a referendum, I don't think the British people would have voted "To go to war" and "get that lot" or whoever else these two didn't like after 2001.

 

[Dennisch]

Up to this day, my FB feed was pretty clear of any immigration stories, and now that a picture emerges of a dead kid laying head down in the water it explodes. Now all of the sudden things need to be done, it's awful and how can people let it happen.

I am this >< close to telling all those hypocritical ****ers that this has been going on for quite some time now. It is just that now there is a sad picture to the story.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Up to this day, my FB feed was pretty clear of any immigration stories, and now that a picture emerges of a dead kid laying head down in the water it explodes. Now all of the sudden things need to be done, it's awful and how can people let it happen.

I am this >< close to telling all those hypocritical ****ers that this has been going on for quite some time now. It is just that now there is a sad picture to the story.

In the UK there's a party called "Britain First" whose main source of Facebook redistribution comes through pictures of abused animals. Seriously. The general public are suckers for sad stories about little children and cute animals, or vice versa. It's a sad world sometimes.

 

[Liquid]

I am this >< close to telling all those hypocritical ****ers that this has been going on for quite some time now. It is just that now there is a sad picture to the story.

It's only hypocritical if, before the current slew of news stories, they were openly criticising refugees/migrants/immigrants/delete as appropriate.

While it's easy to go "Yeah, well, this has been going on for ages. You've only just found out?", I think that's also a little bit arrogant. And I'm guilty of it, too.

Far too many of us do like to live in bubbles and pretend these things don't happen. Whatever it takes to get people to actually notice, to actually take a stand, to actually want to help, I'll applaud it.

 

[Dennisch]

they were openly criticising refugees/migrants/immigrants/delete as appropriate

They weren't exactly positive about them. But now, all the moms and daddies are crying outrage.

I am already ruined. The picture meant absolutely nothing to me.

 

[Carbonox]

As if my willingness to help people illegally barging into whatever country they want wasn't nonexistent enough, nothing wants to make me help less like the incredibly vile tactic of appealing to emotion that all the media seems to use these days to their advantage.

 

[TenEightyOne]

RSpeaking of, the other day I watching DWTV and was shocked at their reaction, essentially denouncing those who don't agree with Merkel as being xenophobes.

If this is the article you're thinking of then they denounced people who attack refugees and their camps as xenophobes, not people who simply oppose Merkel socially or politically (of whom there are plenty).

Otherwise... source required

nothing wants to make me help less like the incredibly vile tactic of appealing to emotion that all the media seems to use these days to their advantage.

But that's normal human nature... 'twas ever thus and ever shall be.

incredibly vile tactic

You should tell your shrink

 

[A2K78]

She did the right thing. When migrants who are escaping a war torn country are cramped in a lorry hoping by the time they reach the EU they have not suffocated to death, while we sit in comfort and watch tabloids make an income by printing constant stories on this crisis.


While they refuse, lets see more migrants toll up in camps on the borders which the living conditions gradually deteriorate and risk life and limb to enter their country.

You do understand that this migrant crisis was man-made, right? That said should european governments/taxpayers shoulder the burden of a situation that driven by someone foolish policies, in this case Merkel and hr blind support for Assad ouster.

 

[lxmmy]

You do understand that this migrant crisis was man-made, right?

Hence why I said 'war torn country' as which I would partly pinned this crisis down to the lack of response by the UN and Arab League to help resolve the Syria civil war.

That said should european governments/taxpayers shoulder the burden of a situation that driven by someone foolish policies

Please state the 'foolish' policies. Because your points are getting more repititive and vague.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

This is not the answer that you're looking for:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/0...tal-treatment-of-migrants.html?_r=2&referrer=

 

[Dennisch]

The idea of sending the boats back isn't all that bad. Especially in the Mediterranean, saves a lot of people from dying. The rest of the Australian treatment however, that could use some humanitarian polishing.