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[Dijital Majik]

While Japan is a fan of?

Full carbon, one-off bodies?

Prostock R34:

 

[Keef]

If we're talking about custom carbon we're also talking about the CT230R, everyone knows that car.

 

[speed junkie]

Americans tend to disregard aerodynamics. And now that it's beginning to emerge more and more it is still not as well established and understood as big blocks and super chargers.

Also...

 

[Perfect Balance]

While Japan is a fan of?

Carbon fiber and aluminum.

EDIT: For some reason it didn't say there was another page. Tree'd then.

 

[-Fred-]

I'd like to point out to everyone that the Sierra Sierra Enterprises EVO recently beat the lap record at Buttonwillow, which was held by the CT230R...

 

[Keef]

Look Fred, there it is chasing down your boy! It's your boy Fred!

How many laps has the Sierra driver done at Buttonwillow? How many laps has the Asian dude done at Buttonwillow? I mean I think it's cool and all, but the CT230R was designed just for Tsukuba, while the American guys race at all sorts of tracks.

 

[Loon]

I'd like to point out to everyone that the Sierra Sierra Enterprises EVO recently beat the lap record at Buttonwillow, which was held by the CT230R...

awww snap! ****'s on now.

 

[-Fred-]

How many laps has the Sierra driver done at Buttonwillow? How many laps has the Asian dude done at Buttonwillow? I mean I think it's cool and all, but the CT230R was designed just for Tsukuba, while the American guys race at all sorts of tracks.[/QUOTE]

Driver of the SSE EVO is David Empringham, which has won a multitude of Formula Atlantic championships in the early-mid 1990s... Considering they finished working on that EVO last year, I'd say he doesn't have that much seat time in it... whereas Nobuteru Taniguchi has driven the HKS EVO since late 2003. JDM fanboys would know that Taniguchi drives the RE Amemiya RX7 in SuperGT, and the Petronas Z4M in Super Taikyu, and has indeed won a few championships as well. I'd give a slight advantage to Empringham, but hey, he's Canadian, so I'm biased.

I'd like to point out they also have time attack events at Suzuka, Fuji and Sugo, amongst others... The cars aren't purpose built for one track only, contrary to popular belief. Give credit where credit is due, the SSE EVO and FXMotorsport NSX are THAT fast, and able to play with the big boys. And there's Chris Rado's utterly ridiculous, two winged Scion TC which lapped Buttonwillow just 2 seconds slower than the SSE Evo, despite being FWD.

 

[~Sp33~]

whatever you call the FDs color.

I call it, awesome.

..to Australia for that huge, US vs AUS vs Japan time attack ordeal.

Aaand i can't believe I can't make this.

 

[Keef]

Driver of the SSE EVO is David Empringham, which has won a multitude of Formula Atlantic championships in the early-mid 1990s... Considering they finished working on that EVO last year, I'd say he doesn't have that much seat time in it... whereas Nobuteru Taniguchi has driven the HKS EVO since late 2003. JDM fanboys would know that Taniguchi drives the RE Amemiya RX7 in SuperGT, and the Petronas Z4M in Super Taikyu, and has indeed won a few championships as well. I'd give a slight advantage to Empringham, but hey, he's Canadian, so I'm biased.

I'd like to point out they also have time attack events at Suzuka, Fuji and Sugo, amongst others... The cars aren't purpose built for one track only, contrary to popular belief. Give credit where credit is due, the SSE EVO and FXMotorsport NSX are THAT fast, and able to play with the big boys. And there's Chris Rado's utterly ridiculous, two winged Scion TC which lapped Buttonwillow just 2 seconds slower than the SSE Evo, despite being FWD.

I was wondering about events at other tracks. I imagine the big teams probably have entirely different transmissions and stuff for different tracks.

My next question: tire rules. Pretty much all the Japanese cars run A048s over yonder, a few of them using R888s I think I've seen. I realize they get many different different compounds in their market, but over here the R888 smashed the A048 in a recent magazine test so why would they even bother using the lesser tire? Our guys run tires like the BFG R1, Kumho V710, Hoosier A6 and whatnot which are street legal R-comps in the US, same category as the R888, A048, NT01 and whatever else. The thing is that the almost-slicks perform noticeably better than the rest because they're not designed for the wet or street in any way, besides two grooves to make them legal. Why don't the Japanese teams use those tires? As far as I can tell it's not really a fair fight between driver and car if they're on different tires because that's what gets the whole package to the ground in the first place.

Any word on the Australian competitors? They're not bringing their 4x4s are they?

 

[-Fred-]

http://www.superlap.com.au/2009/?page_id=1399

Rules are there, entries are on the right side.

The R1, V710 and Hoosiers aren't legal in the Japanese series, in fact, no where except in the US.

Cool thing is with the Superlap in Australia, everyone's gonna be on the same rules.

 

[Dijital Majik]

Any word on the Australian competitors? They're not bringing their 4x4s are they?

Well, the HiOctane R34 will be there



It looks like a great event, I only hope they make it one to remember so that it continues to happen and grow. It's a shame the Brits can't make it as originally planned.

 

[Revheadnz]

 

[Perfect Balance]

 

[Jim Prower]

EDIT: Nevermind. Came across as a flag-waving jackass.

 

[Keef]

http://www.superlap.com.au/2009/?page_id=1399

Rules are there, entries are on the right side.

The R1, V710 and Hoosiers aren't legal in the Japanese series, in fact, no where except in the US.

Cool thing is with the Superlap in Australia, everyone's gonna be on the same rules.

Why the hell do they not allow Porsche 911s in Pro Class? Despite the fact that the only people that really use them is that guy from One Lap of America and Rauh Welt, what is a good reason?

 

[CDailey]

Dayum.

 

[-Fred-]

Why the hell do they not allow Porsche 911s in Pro Class? Despite the fact that the only people that really use them is that guy from One Lap of America and Rauh Welt, what is a good reason?

For the same reason Redline TA didn't allow pushrod V8s up until just recently...

 

[Keef]

To keep it Japanese?

 

[-Fred-]

I don't really know, to be honest... Those top end cars are just as fast as any Corvette or 911 you could throw in the mix, unless we're talking ex Le Mans racecars, which technically would be legal for open classes.

 

[~Sp33~]

Any word on the Australian competitors?

Last time i was at the raceway this was there:

It was crazy, I heard it was competing?

 

[Keef]

Got to see this car drift yesterday at IRP:

Thing is pretty rowdy.

That one red Drift Indy FC won the event, the 350 was second I believe, and the red Drift Indy 240 was third.

 

[mazdaman]

Got to see this car drift yesterday at IRP:



That one red Drift Indy FC won the event, the 350 was second I believe, and the red Drift Indy 240 was third.

The rx7 I asked you about is that the one you talking about a red one ?

 

[Cano]

roots blower and no hood? Heck, the drifters just discovered hot rodding :0
it looks sweet hoodless.
The black GTR is immense.

 

[Glubags]

Americans tend to disregard aerodynamics.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm... what?

 

[speed junkie]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm... what?

Expose yourself to world-wide motorsports.

 

[Glubags]

"Americans tend to disregard aerodynamics" says to me that you're the one in need of exposure. 👎

All the top American time attack teams put a LOT of work into their aero setups... Mike from Kognition, Andrew Brilliant of AMB Aero, Jared D of Binary Engineering, and all the guys at Aeromotions would cringe to read such a blatantly false blanket statement, and that's just the tip of the American aerodynamics iceberg... there's no counting all the grassroots-level aero work going on in garages across the country for small clubs and things like SCCA's solo events.

Anyone taking the sport seriously will put effort into their aero packages, whether it's a funded team or a one-man show--American or otherwise. It's not as if other countries have the upper hand here as you seem to believe. But that's cool, think what you want to think!

 

[-Fred-]

We've been lacking pictures recently...

 

[eSZee]

"Americans tend to disregard aerodynamics" says to me that you're the one in need of exposure. 👎

All the top American time attack teams put a LOT of work into their aero setups... Mike from Kognition, Andrew Brilliant of AMB Aero, Jared D of Binary Engineering, and all the guys at Aeromotions would cringe to read such a blatantly false blanket statement, and that's just the tip of the American aerodynamics iceberg... there's no counting all the grassroots-level aero work going on in garages across the country for small clubs and things like SCCA's solo events.

Anyone taking the sport seriously will put effort into their aero packages, whether it's a funded team or a one-man show--American or otherwise. It's not as if other countries have the upper hand here as you seem to believe. But that's cool, think what you want to think!

While I agree that Americans don't disregard aero when it comes to time attacks, I will say they are a few years behind the competition. Also throwing in the "grassroots garage" bit doesn't help your statement either. Anyone can make a wing and some canards in the garage, air flow testing is still needed to see how these parts affect the air around the car.

 

[Glubags]

I will say they are a few years behind the competition.

How do you quantify that statement? Especially considering that dynamic aero is pretty much sweeping the unlimited classes at this point, lead by Aeromotions, which is an American company. Granted, they drew inspiration from a Japanese development, but we're talking 1968 F1 here. In the context of today's motorsport environment, and especially in regard to the types of vehicles posted here, it would be absolutely foolish to say America is at all behind the curve.