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[Keef]

What a weird cage design. I don't see any diagonals anywhere, and those door bars wouldn't pass inspection at any place I know here in the States. I don't think any of it would really.

 

[Perfect Balance]

What a weird cage design. I don't see any diagonals anywhere, and those door bars wouldn't pass inspection at any place I know here in the States. I don't think any of it would really.

It's not a cage, it was just meant to stiffen the chassis.

In any case, I really dislike SCCA spec cage design, especially the door bars. I much more prefer the more "FIA" style of cage.

Like such:

As opposed to:

 

[misnblu]

Which one would serve best in a crash?
Both cages look functional enough but I do like the gusseted design in the first pic.

 

[Keef]

It's not a cage, it was just meant to stiffen the chassis.

In any case, I really dislike SCCA spec cage design, especially the door bars. I much more prefer the more "FIA" style of cage.

Like such:

As opposed to:

I'd have to say the SCCA door bars are actually stronger than the FIA design. There's two separate horizontal bars to withstand bending during an impact, while the two bars in the FIA design come together at one welded joint. Keep in mind that extreme side impacts are pretty commonplace in SCCA racing, especially the oval stuff. But in the end they're both among the top sanctioning bodies on the globe, both with very different styles of racing, and both with specific challenges to overcome safety-wise. I can't say either design does its job better than the other because they're both implemented in different ways for different reasons. One can't argue that they both do a pretty good job at saving drivers' lives in extreme situations.

But what I will say is that designing a "cage" for "chassis stiffening" is a retarded waste of time and money. He's gone and welded stuff to his car that isn't approved by any sanctioning body I've ever heard of which means he'll never pass inspection at sanctioned events of any sort. A proper safety cage becomes part of the chassis anyway and is designed to turn the whole car, or at least the interior into a rigid frame. It makes for a superbly stiff structure, and I see no reason to not go all the way for something like that.

Reminds me of a guy my whole group now makes fun of because he poorly welded up his own "safety" cage and tries to pass it off as a spec design. It's the most god awful thing any of us have seen, and we've got a few spec cages rolling around in local drift cars. Those guys know what's right and wrong, and his is just plain dangerous. Who knows how it will deform upon impact? He doesn't, and this guy in the AE doesn't either, because they've never been tested.

 

[mazdaman]

How do the chassis certify in the time attack like is ther a
such thing a 3/4 or full tube chassis etc?

 

[Perfect Balance]

*snip*

As far as whether or not one is safer than the other, I'll say that the FIA design was deemed safe enough for DTM cars, and pretty much any racing series outside of the US, which is safe enough for me, though the SCCA cage probably fares better in a sideways impact.

Also, about the "cage" that guy made, he took part in the Drift Matsuri, and passed "inspection" (lol) and that's likely the largest event that car will ever do, so...

I think it does what he wanted it to do, and he would otherwise run without a cage whatsoever, since in the article his goal was to make it very light.

 

[speed junkie]

As opposed to:

Yea like I said...

I guess if you fire enough times, the odds are that at least one bullet will hit the target.

Also keep in mind these drivers have survived very high speed impacts with the trees of Finland. If anyone is at all familiar with the Finland rally, the nature of its stages, and its particularly sturdy trees, you would understand.

 

[Keef]

I don't think it can be argued that a spec roll cage from a world-class sanctioning body isn't as safe as it needs to be. That's a waste of time, unless you want to start debating which car will fly further at 200mph, a NASCAR stocker or a Mercedes Benz prototype, because it's been tested. Far. And the drivers walk away. I'll gladly argue stupid stuff all day, but I think this one has worn out its welcome already.

The fact is that the AE belongs in the Q-mods thread because I feel that driver has sacrificed his own safety for chassis rigidity, and he'll probably find that out the hard way if he ever slides that thing into a tree.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Yea like I said...

What does that mean? That's just the SCCA spec cage.

 

[Dac_Xint]

awww snap! ****'s on now.

I love how you provided the gun powder in this incident , its people like you that makes every confrontation entertaining

 

[LeftyWright69]

Guess what it is?

Sure would be cool if this thred was for posting members imports. Well anyway this is mine and i take it out and rub it on people...he he he

 

[speed junkie]

What does that mean? That's just the SCCA spec cage.

It means that just because it is what makes NASCAR safe doesn't mean that it needs to be thrown at every other race car such as an otherwise stock Miata or time attack cars that are on track by themselves 99 percent of their lives.
But it "does the job" so maybe we should leave it at that.

 

[McLaren]

But hey, it's easy to tell someone they're wrong and not provide the slightest bit of information saying otherwise.

Judging from past posts, you seem to be just as good at it.

 

[Perfect Balance]

Judging from past posts, you seem to be just as good at it.

I didn't feel there was anything to add to Speedjunkie's post.

...


Nothing else really comes to mind.

EDIT: In fact, more often than not, I do provide something to back up my statements, but they just ignored altogether and the thread moves on. Much like it probably will this time as well...

 

[Revheadnz]

Out of the way, I can't see the BMW.

 

[HKS T51R]

I DEFINITELY approve of that white STi

 

[Blitz187]

Cale you hit the nail on the head with this one... Pure Car Pr0n!!! YYYEEE HAAWW!!!

 

[Rue]

Cale you hit the nail on the head with this one... Pure Car Pr0n!!! YYYEEE HAAWW!!!

That's up there with the some of the most glorious things I have ever seen. I want one yesterday.

 

[Blitz187]

That's up there with the some of the most glorious things I have ever seen. I want one yesterday.

Agree 100% 👍 That tire/rim combo is just off the chain and the rest looks SO clean... no unneeded tupperware, just a nice shiny paint job and made to go fast I assume, from the roll cage I can see there...

 

[a112]

Retarded unnecessary amount of tubes if you are not rallying since they weigh a lot.

 

[TheCracker]

Retarded unnecessary amount of tubes if you are not rallying since they weigh a lot.

Looks no different to a WTCC or BTCC cage. Totally necessary if you don't want to get injured in a roll or side collision. It's probably FIA spec and mandatory. They don't weigh all that much either, between 35 and 58kgs from what i can see.

 

[eSZee]

Retarded unnecessary amount of tubes if you are not rallying since they weigh a lot.

No need to be angry at the guy just because he went further with modding than you would.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Retarded unnecessary amount of tubes if you are not rallying since they weigh a lot.

Tell that to the catch fence you summersault over and end up 100 yards from the track.

not a single bit of damage to the cage and the car was rebuilt around it.

 

[Stotty]

The cage in that Subbaru might be the right thing for a track car, but is complete overkill on a road car... and I assume that's a road car as I would have thought anyone building something that actually needed a cage like that would at have the rear doors welded up.

Looks the part though.

 

[Glubags]

Yeah, I'm not even going to take speedjunkie seriously after that ridiculous pic post... take top-level Japanese teams and compare them to the absolute worst you can find from America in an attempt to prove your misguided point... good job.

I find it funny that he used Chris Rado's Scion TC as an example of "bad" aero. Sure, not every FWD car runs a full wing up front, and sure, it's ugly, but Rado's car DOMINATES the unlimited FWD classes thanks to his excellent aero, ugly as it may be.

I see he also went on to attack the Nascar-style door bars as well in yet another attempt to downplay America. FIA style diagonals for the door bars are soooooo much better, right? Is that why every major time attack series accepts both styles? There's more than one way to skin a cat (effectively, might I add). In fact, take a look at the AFI Turbo S2000 which is leading the Modified RWD class in RTA.

Nice, nice. Now how bout that cage design?

Uh oh! Unsafe! Speedjunkie should contact them immediately to shed some light on their design error.

 

[Keef]

Retarded unnecessary amount of tubes if you are not rallying since they weigh a lot.

Could have sworn we just left put an argument about safety cages out to pasture on the same page you posted. Apparently it all went right over your head.

 

[Joey D]

 

[Perfect Balance]

Yeah, I'm not even going to take speedjunkie seriously after that ridiculous pic post... take top-level Japanese teams and compare them to the absolute worst you can find from America in an attempt to prove your misguided point... good job.

I guess all Japanese shops are "top level" because a huge number of the cars at their time attacks have that level of aerodynamic modifications, "top level" (hey, they're that successful for a reason) or not.

I find it funny that he used Chris Rado's Scion TC as an example of "bad" aero. Sure, not every FWD car runs a full wing up front, and sure, it's ugly, but Rado's car DOMINATES the unlimited FWD classes thanks to his excellent aero, ugly as it may be.

Whether or not it worked was never the question, the question was how much R&D was given into the aerodynamics as opposed to other companies outside of the US. Everything is "that'll do" or "this is sufficient" or as opposed to actually trying to design something eye pleasing and functional.

I see he also went on to attack the Nascar-style door bars as well in yet another attempt to downplay America. FIA style diagonals for the door bars are soooooo much better, right? Is that why every major time attack series accepts both styles? There's more than one way to skin a cat (effectively, might I add). In fact, take a look at the AFI Turbo S2000 which is leading the Modified RWD class in RTA.

*snip*

Nice, nice. Now how bout that cage design?

*snip*

Uh oh! Unsafe! Speedjunkie should contact them immediately to shed some light on their design error.

Again, nobody said they didn't work. They do.

Also, every major time attack series accept both because they're both succifient. It's just the fact that the massivly reinforced door bars were a solution to races with frequent, very hard, side impacts. Like NASCAR, not Spec Miata.

It's kind of like an overall lack of attention to detail or a strive to make something the best you can, if you can. That's why I really enjoy Japanese engineering. They seem to have a greater desire to actually make something good. A solution instead of a band-aid.

I know there are exceptions, but I'm making a generalization.

EDIT: @Joey: What are we looking for on that Cooper? I might be missing something but it looks like a stock S with a lip kit? Maybe a different bumper but it takes up such a small amount of the front of the car that isn't not really so noticeable.

 

[WeinerSchnitzel]

I LOVED this video!

 

[speed junkie]

Yeah, I'm not even going to take speedjunkie seriously after that ridiculous pic post...

Some serious emotions, you must take what you believe in very seriously.

...take top-level Japanese teams and compare them to the absolute worst you can find from America in an attempt to prove your misguided point... good job.

I didn't know NASCAR and the fastest of SCCA was "the absolute worst I can find" of american motorsports. Maybe you got thrown off by the quality of the pictures. Here, I'll post some better ones:

My point still stands.

I find it funny that he used Chris Rado's Scion TC as an example of "bad" aero. Sure, not every FWD car runs a full wing up front, and sure, it's ugly, but Rado's car DOMINATES the unlimited FWD classes thanks to his excellent aero, ugly as it may be.

Already covered.

Whether or not it worked was never the question, the question was how much R&D was given into the aerodynamics as opposed to other companies outside of the US. Everything is "that'll do" or "this is sufficient" or as opposed to actually trying to design something eye pleasing and functional.

I see he also went on to attack the Nascar-style door bars as well in yet another attempt to downplay America. FIA style diagonals for the door bars are soooooo much better, right? Is that why every major time attack series accepts both styles? There's more than one way to skin a cat (effectively, might I add). In fact, take a look at the AFI Turbo S2000 which is leading the Modified RWD class in RTA.

Nice, nice. Now how bout that cage design?

Uh oh! Unsafe! Speedjunkie should contact them immediately to shed some light on their design error.

When did I ever say they didn't work? You seem to be letting your emotions interfere with your train of thought.

...just because it is what makes NASCAR safe doesn't mean that it needs to be thrown at every other race car such as an otherwise stock Miata or time attack cars that are on track by themselves 99 percent of their lives.
But it "does the job" so maybe we should leave it at that.

Once again, already covered. Now you're just going in circles.

Again, nobody said they didn't work. They do.

...they're both succifient. It's just the fact that the massivly reinforced door bars were a solution to races with frequent, very hard, side impacts. Like NASCAR, not Spec Miata.

It's kind of like an overall lack of attention to detail or a strive to make something the best you can, if you can. That's why I really enjoy Japanese engineering. They seem to have a greater desire to actually make something good. A solution instead of a band-aid.

Also that black R32 is just fantastic!!! And good god I think I ****** a little when I saw the brakes.