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[Keef]

True, but the car doesn't look like it gets put on the track. At least not that often.

I've met the guy at Nashville speedway where he was taking part in the time attack. He's serious about tracking that car and it is pretty capable for a street driven Civic.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I can assure you Kevin tracks his car as much as possible.

He running a staggered setup at the track?

 

[happycorey]

He running a staggered setup at the track?

Wheel setup? No. It's the same all around

 

[CodeRedR51]

Wheels and tires. Sometimes they run a smaller wheel in the back with a larger sidewall tire. I've seen it done a few times, even considered doing it on my Civic. Never got around to it though.

Edit: Just to clarify, helps reduce understeer. This car is on a staggered setup with different width tires:

F 205/50/15 Kumho Ecsta MX
R 195/50/15 Yokohama S. Drive

 

[happycorey]

Ohh alright. Most people just run the same tires all the way around unless they're running staggered wheels, and most people just run a larger rear swaybar in the rear to help with understeer

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

I still don't get the whole S1 Exige thing. It looks just like the old Motorsport elise. Before, I had it in my head that the first Exige had the sharper-style headlights. Can someone explain this to me?

You're correct I think. Exige was introduced with the S2 Elise, I think, but because of the similarities to Lotus Motorsport Elise, the first one is often referred as S1 exige.. Probably because it's easier to say..? 💡

 

[exigeracer]

You're correct I think. Exige was introduced with the S2 Elise, I think, but because of the similarities to Lotus Motorsport Elise, the first one is often referred as S1 exige.. Probably because it's easier to say..? 💡

Not quite. The S1 Exige was introduced within the S1 lifespan as a track-oriented, Elise-based road car.

The Motor Sport Elise (S1 body) preceded the S1 Exige, and was intended to be a track-only model. It had track equipment that the Exige didn't get, such as a different wing set-up and fuel cut-offs, extinguisher etc. There were even a few single centre-mounted seat variants released from factory.

The MS Elise was released globally as a club racer, and many small racing teams bought them up instead of fully modifying an S1 Elise. The Exige offered many of these benefits but was first and foremost a road car. You see both on the track, but if you see one on the road, it's far more likely that it is an Exige.

 

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[Joey D]

If that camber on that Rabbit's rear wasn't so intense the car would be awesome.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Ohh alright. Most people just run the same tires all the way around unless they're running staggered wheels, and most people just run a larger rear swaybar in the rear to help with understeer

The sway bar helps too, but I think it depends on the car. I saw one post by a guy on Honda Tech with a DC5 that was running 245's in the front and 225's in the rear for track days and said he would never go back to a non-staggered setup he liked it so much.

 

[RPM_Online]

 

[speed junkie]

The Motor Sport Elise (S1 body) preceded the S1 Exige, and was intended to be a track-only model.

As I thought, but I have seen what, very closely, resembles a MS Elise being called an S1 Exige. A google image search will reveal the same thing.

S1 Exige:

Notice the silver one as well..

MS Elise

Neither look like this...

Also this...

 

[Bram Turismo]

Just saw this popping up on my Facebook:

Dude swapped the original engine and apparently this Hilux is now running a 2JZ-GTE. Ultimate sleeper?

 

[exigeracer]

As I thought, but I have seen what, very closely, resembles a MS Elise being called an S1 Exige. A google image search will reveal the same thing. [/IMG]

I don't understand where you're confused. The S1 MS Elise is almost identical to the S1 Exige. With very little modification they can be identical.

 

[Keef]

Wheels and tires. Sometimes they run a smaller wheel in the back with a larger sidewall tire. I've seen it done a few times, even considered doing it on my Civic. Never got around to it though.

Edit: Just to clarify, helps reduce understeer. This car is on a staggered setup with different width tires:

F 205/50/15 Kumho Ecsta MX
R 195/50/15 Yokohama S. Drive

First of all, the difference in the pictured car's tires will result in a net loss of grip. The S.Drive tire underperforms the XS by quite a wide margin. No matter if his understeer is reduced, the car with never be capable of the same ultimate grip as if it had all four XSs because the rear tires suck so bad. The tires also have vastly different properties, from ideal operating temperature to wear characterstics, sidewall flex, resonance frequency, along with various other engineery things that actually do matter. To sum up, his car will handle on a circuit like dog turds compared to the same car with an equal wheel and tire setup front and rear. I honestly have no idea what sort of baseline he set that made him decide he needed to put crappier tires on the rear, but even if he doesn't track it like that, simply taking pictures of it like that should be embarrassing.

Get all four wheels and tires the same size. Set a standard. If you think it needs changed then adjust the suspension accordingly. Not enough overall grip? Get stickier tires on all four corners, the same size of course. You'll probably have to adjust your suspension to suit these tires, including more roll stiffness on both ends.

Changing your handling balance by staggering your tire sizes should be a last-ditch effort to either reach extreme limits in particular situations, such as maximum front end grip and rotation on a competitive autocross or gymkhana car. Running thicker tires at the front on a proper circuit sounds like a recipe for extremely touchy handling in high speed sweepers because the front has so much more grip than the rear. A Civic with too stiff a rear end will already go around corners sideways, so putting staggered tires on it will make it nearly undriveable.

Choose your tires and set up your suspension accordingly. You have to have the whole package for the best performance - covering up a poorly tuned suspension with ridiculous tire sizes not only shows that you don't know what you're doing, but will also never perform as good as it could.

EDIT: For some reason, getting Extreme Summer tires for drag cars has become popular in the Honda crowd. They get tires not designed for ultimate straight-line acceleration and use them thinking they're a godsend. I honestly have trouble believing this guy is backward enough to use staggered sizes on track and that leads me to assume he is drag racing with it. Poorly, again.

 

[Perfect Balance]

I see a 215 or 225/205 stagger often, but usually with the same tires. Helps on tight, twisty courses the Japanese have a buttload of. I feel that running a 205 Kumho XS and a 195 S. Drive is a bigger difference in grip than anyone would need.

 

[CodeRedR51]

First of all, the difference in the pictured car's tires will result in a net loss of grip. The S.Drive tire underperforms the XS by quite a wide margin........

I was making an example of the tire size, not the tire type. Sorry if it looked that way.

This is just another example of what's being done out there, no need to lecture me. I know the pro's and con's.

Edit: Here's the best example: (225/45/16 front, 195/55/15 rear)

 

[Keef]

Code of Touge: Choose the line without dirt and leaves...

Like I said before, I'd leave it for specific purposes but not for a big circuit. A tight touge with a surface rough as a cob would qualify, like the autocross and gymkhana stuff that I mentioned before.

Many time attack Civics I have seen run 225 tires all around. They adjust the balance with rear springs, sway bars, and a wing. Don't forget about tire pressure because that has a huge effect but it also messes with the dynamics of the tire itself and can ruin a perfect damper setting.

 

[Joey D]

These rims suit the Accord really well:

 

[speed junkie]

I don't understand where you're confused. The S1 MS Elise is almost identical to the S1 Exige. With very little modification they can be identical.

That I thought that the "Exige" name was first used on this style body:

Not on the older style such as the MS Elise:

So right now the way I understand it is that the first Exiges manufactured actually had the older style body, not the newer style such as the first pic I posted(?)



Also this, on Seed Hunter's wall...

"Australia seems to do America better than America..."

 

[CodeRedR51]

Don't forget about tire pressure because that has a huge effect but it also messes with the dynamics of the tire itself and can ruin a perfect damper setting.

That was my main adjustment for track days on my Civic, just adjusted the tire pressure. Seemed to work ok. Even with less weight the car was still a second slower around my local track than my bone stock B13 SE-R.

 

[Keef]

That was my main adjustment for track days on my Civic, just adjusted the tire pressure. Seemed to work ok. Even with less weight the car was still a second slower around my local track than my bone stock B13 SE-R.

B13s are sprightly little things. What kind of tires were on it?





M-Spec, this guy just took a major dump on you...

Like, literally.

 

[WeinerSchnitzel]

These rims suit the Accord really well:

Dude, do you know where I can find more pics of this car? It's one of the nicest Accord's I've seen.

 

[Time_Attack]

You mentioned a silver lotus and so I automatically looked at the MR2. I was happy until I saw there was really a silver lotus in the pic.

 

[Joey D]

Dude, do you know where I can find more pics of this car? It's one of the nicest Accord's I've seen.

Actually here is the photo album
http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/jorgealvarez_rt/Vossen Concave ALL AROUND Cv2s/

 

[WeinerSchnitzel]

Thank you very much.

 

[Time_Attack]

I think it would be funny if you were driving that accord and you pull up to a stop light next to the same model accord in the same color being driven by an old grandma who can't see over the wheel. It'd just be to perfect.

 

[WeinerSchnitzel]

Words cannot describe how beautiful the Singer Porsche's are.

 

[Boffin]

Ok - I'll bite. WTF is that?

 

[WeinerSchnitzel]

Carlsson C25, I believe.