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[motortrend]

Yeah that looks horrible, but I mean something more like black mesh
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Something like this

 

[Keef]

Water cooled radiators? Why add more heat to the cooling system when air does just as good of a job if not better considering youd be sharing the coolant with the radiator.

Air-to-liquid intercoolers don't share the engine's cooling system. It's separate, with separate radiators that look like oil coolers.

Historically, the accepted and proven method for cooling in turbocharged race cars has been to cool the intercooler and radiator using separated flows. Not shared. Whether it be v-mount setups, or other setups as seen in F1 and Group B, Group C, etc.

Note that Toyota has used air-to-liquid intercoolers in their GT-FOUR rally cars, and Subaru used it on old Legacy turbo engines. It's basically the same principle as the intercooled superchargers which are common these days.

I'm sure its simply because of it being much easier and simpler to mount an intercooler in front instead of behind the radiator but it it just completely counter-intuitive.

The radiator required for an air-to-liquid intercooler is much, much smaller than an air-to-air intercooler because of the liquid's ability to absorb a much larger amount of heat over a much longer period of time. You can install the radiator just about anywhere that you have unutilized airflow because all you have to run are small, flexible hydraulic lines instead of giant rigid metal pipes.

There comes a point when air-to-air intercoolers are just retarded no matter how you slice it. If you're creating tremendous heat and not travelling fast enough long enough to dissipate it, you should be running an air-to-liquid. That's why drag cars do it. That's why street raced 1000 hp Supras should, but don't because it's not cool.

 

[Perfect Balance]

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You took this picture? It was on Hellaflush probably over a year ago. Not the car, just this one picture.

 

[Carlos]

I'm not sure, but I think it could use a few parts..

 

[motortrend]

I'm not sure, but I think it could use a few parts..

And lose a few others IMO. Especially that roof spoiler, the only car (non hatchback) I've ever seen pull off a roof spoiler is a 993 and it has one from the factory:

I don't even like it very much on the 964 and non-turbo 993 models, but they are passable especially since they are discrete. On this car, they aren't, and I know they are going for that drift style, but to me that just looks nasty, low quality, and plastic. Woa, started ranting there.

 

[Eric.]

There's not really a better place to put this, so...

 

[speed junkie]

Air-to-liquid intercoolers don't share the engine's cooling system. It's separate, with separate radiators that look like oil coolers.


Note that Toyota has used air-to-liquid intercoolers in their GT-FOUR rally cars, and Subaru used it on old Legacy turbo engines. It's basically the same principle as the intercooled superchargers which are common these days.

The radiator required for an air-to-liquid intercooler is much, much smaller than an air-to-air intercooler because of the liquid's ability to absorb a much larger amount of heat over a much longer period of time. You can install the radiator just about anywhere that you have unutilized airflow because all you have to run are small, flexible hydraulic lines instead of giant rigid metal pipes.

I knew you would bring up these cars as they're good exceptions
This is also exactly why Toyota went with this solution for their Celicas. Small and compact which, considering the engine bay of these things, it would certainly have to be. What I didn't know was that these systems used their own radiators. I had noticed the coolant hoses going to them and just assumed they were part of the engine's cooling system. Also I have no idea where they mount the radiators as its hard enough to find one photo of the engine bay let alone with any body panels removed (I assume they're layered with the radiator.)

The same is true with the Subaru legacy. You can see the small intercooler mounted directly behind the throttle body...

Another advantage I can see is the fact that there is much less piping which would help with response and reducing weight.

But even with this Toyota ended up going with a sandwich style with the Corolla...


(No intercooler on top of the head)

(Yes it's a model but very acurate nevertheless.)

There comes a point when air-to-air intercoolers are just retarded no matter how you slice it. If you're creating tremendous heat and not travelling fast enough long enough to dissipate it, you should be running an air-to-liquid. That's why drag cars do it. That's why street raced 1000 hp Supras should, but don't because it's not cool.

I would have to agree.



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[CodeRedR51]

There's not really a better place to put this, so...

Pretty accurate actually.

 

[Eric.]

Depends if we're talking sand or tarmac. In which case the ABS-dog should have stopped sooner and the non-ABS dog's lockup would have slid further.

 

[speed junkie]

ABS-dog. It's is just funny to me

 

[NISM0_SKYLINE]

You took this picture? It was on Hellaflush probably over a year ago. Not the car, just this one picture.

Yea, I sent it in as a Daily Driver article hoping the owner would see it. Either was, it was cool to see it on the website.

 

[Time_Attack]

 

[hemisport15]

Don't know if this means anything, but since you guys are on the topic of intercoolers...

As you can see, the G60 intercooler is quite small too.

And here are some pics.

That's all for now.

 

[Time_Attack]

Lots of cars have a side mounted inter cooler. The Mitsu eclipes and MR2 turbo for example. They're terrible things and best replaced. The A2W core isn't much larger and doesn't have the issue of heat soaking.

 

[speed junkie]

This thing looks awesome

 

[CodeRedR51]

Perfect. Not too low, no crazy camber or wheel/tire poking too far out of the fenders. 👍

 

[Eric.]

I see a four door E30 like that on campus every once in a while. I like it. Has a nice touring-car looking bumper. Maybe that bumper. I dunno.

 

[CodeRedR51]

 

[speed junkie]

It really is. The GTR is probably one of the ugliest fast car out there. As another demotivator I found said, "the mini van of super cars"

 

[CodeRedR51]

To me that photo doesn't make the GT-R look big, it makes the NSX look really short. (which they kind of are)

 

[speed junkie]

It's still the DUFF.

 

[motortrend]

That picture makes the NSX look even better, it is one sexy car. More comparo pics:

BTW I really like the GT-R but give me an early NSX in black that's been taken care off, sort the suspension, put some nice wheels on it, maybe add 30-50 hp and I'll happi;y take that over a GT-R. Hell, with the price difference, I'd probably buy an NSX anyway and keep the rest for a 930, unless I had some sort of situation in which I needed to be practical. Then again, the GT-R isn't THAT practical.

 

[Perfect Balance]

Perfect. Not too low, no crazy camber or wheel/tire poking too far out of the fenders. 👍

Technically speaking, that Miata is still too low.

Not in a visual sense, but in a performance sense it's still too low. Miatas can hardly be lowered at all.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Technically speaking, that Miata is still too low.

Not in a visual sense, but in a performance sense it's still too low. Miatas can hardly be lowered at all.

I know. Once those control arms are beyond parallel to the ground you've screwed it up.

 

[RocZX]

 

[CodeRedR51]

That car is bad ass.

 

[happycorey]

 

[Carlos]

Ha, Hessing. The supercar dealership. Almost bankrupt. Owner thought, hey let's build a complete town with only villa's in it... Not going to work in the Netherlands..

 

[speed junkie]

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

that ass.